If you were the President... How would YOU fight the war on terror?

[dropped9]

I honestly think the only way to fight this war on terror is through education and change.

We need to spread democracy and show this people what it is like to be free and not opressed. Say what you want, but obviously an eye for an eye aint working.

Maybe a few disneylands, mcdonalds, and tacobells could do these people some good.

[dropped9]

But keep in mind... In order to spread democracy some shit is going to need to be stirred... IE: Iraq.... What if saddam didnt have wmd... What if the only reason we went in was to establish a democratic goverment in an effort to spread democracy, thus showing these people there is another way to live...

You ever think we picked Iraq out of the axis of evil because we knew it would be the easiest out of the bunch to over throw? Think about it...

If thats the case, I can deal with it...

[MattO]

With chocolate covered kisses.

[brand0n]

atomic bombs.

right in the middle of citys. fuck em. level the entire joint, drop a us flag in the middle of the rubble, call it the 51st and start pumping the crude this way.

i mean its just a hair short of being the modern day crusades. why not call a cat for a cat and stop the sugar coating bs.

[After Shock Media]

I would not declare war on a tactic or ideal first of all.
I then would just encourage capitalism to do the job.

[sperbonzo]

Actually Headless.....this is thread will be very enlightening. I would LOVE to see if the Bush hating far left on this board actually have an realy ideas as to what they would do in the Presidents place.

I can't wait to read these suggestions from the "brilliant" minds on this board. They are so quick to bash the US government, and believe everything that agrees with their world view only.

[steffie]

How about making finding Bin Laden and than destroying his "group" my first priority instead of going into Iraq


But if I would be the President right now, with being in Iraq already. However that

Sending Special Ops to find and kill Bin Laden - That would be a start!

[sperbonzo]

Personally, I"m willing to bet that the only answers you will see to this question will either be more posts about what they WOULDN'T do or over the top jokes..... But no real plan.

After all, the sources that the left take their rants from have pages and pages of details and "facts" as to what is going wrong..... but they are VERY short on details as to what to do instead.

[eroswebmaster]

At this point in time I'm condoning internment camps and genocide.

[TheDoc]

How about this.. WE LEAVE THEM ALONE.. Let them rule how they want to be ruled, let them believe what they want.. Just leave the country and tell them sorry we bothered you. Then get Bush out of power and we won't have anymore stupid problems.

[psili]

There is no "war on terror". It's just propaganda used to disguise the US' attempts to secure oil for the coming years when shortages begin to happen.

Seriously, there's nothing to be gained by fighting terror - how can you fight something inanimate? It just so happens that the country the US wants oil from has a ton of people who don't like the US. It's not a war on terror; it's a war the US caused for itself because of the substance it wants.

[MetaMan]

these people dont want democracy? wtf part do you not get? they live by religion they dont give a fuck about wanting to be "free". freedom is defined in many different ways their idea of freedom is through God.

[bringer]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

How about this.. WE LEAVE THEM ALONE.. Let them rule how they want to be ruled, let them believe what they want.. Just leave the country and tell them sorry we bothered you. Then get Bush out of power and we won't have anymore stupid problems.

thats a great idea. we all know terrorism didnt start until bush was first elected and all attacks since have been his fault.

[candyflip]

There is no war on terror. It's just a made up thing to keep the "war machine" rolling.

[eroswebmaster]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Actually Headless.....this is thread will be very enlightening. I would LOVE to see if the Bush hating far left on this board actually have an realy ideas as to what they would do in the Presidents place.

I can't wait to read these suggestions from the "brilliant" minds on this board. They are so quick to bash the US government, and believe everything that agrees with their world view only.

I would put into effect real plans when it comes to security.

not silly shit going on only at the airport, where because of being politically correct and doing "random" searches they bother grandmothers while letting the young muslim boys get in quick.

I would actually take a look at our ports, all of our mass transit systems, our chemical and nuclear plants and set up real security measures.

I would work on slowing down immigration, legal and illegal. We have enough people living here now. Build that wall along the border and anyone who crosses it illegaly serves time working in labor camps, each time they get caught the sentence is longer and longer. And if you cross that wall illegaly and you're not a Mexican, but some middle easterner, then accidents happen in the dark desert night...know what I mean.

I would also work on trying to mend some relationships with other countries who now can't stand us because of our cock sure, be damned if you disagree with us attitude that seems to exude from our administration.

The focus is no longer on what happened on 9/11, and it won't even be about what happened today because the terrorists have won.

The focus is on America's behavior during all of this...that's what they wanted and we fell for it hook line and sinker.

[GoodGuy]

If i were pres. i would leave iraq...

[eroswebmaster]

Originally Posted by bringer

thats a great idea. we all know terrorism didnt start until bush was first elected and all attacks since have been his fault.

No, but a lot of it is because of the games we have played in so many countries..playing both sides against the other so just in case we still come out backing a winner.

Or we back the maniacal murderous dictator against the big bad communists when they happen to be peasants who join some communuist rebel party because that is the only thing that will support them against tyranny.

We've played these games for many years in so many countries and it is finally coming home to roost.

[SomeCreep]

I would create a bomb so big and powerful, it would kill all life on earth. Then terrorism would be no more.

[smack]

first off i wouldn't have jumped to invade iraq. afghanistan needed to be wrapped up before any further military options were considered.

i would have vetoed the patrioc act. it is a terrible violation of rights.

i would start sending aid to countries that produced results in turning over known terrorists.

more funding for law enforcement in high risk areas.

training for ever law enforcement/first responder units in all aspects of terrorism response.

tighten down border security. not as much at the actual entry points as the vast stretches of unwatched land.

multi national coalition to negotiate with places under regimes like iraq, syria, etc.

more focus on north korea.

start gearing our economy to compete with china within the decade. strengthening our position in the international market place will help cement relations with allies and grow the power of the us.

more aid for africa. if we want the world to stop hating us, we need to start helping the shitholes of the third world. we send billions in aid to companies who do not need it, but can't seem to bother to help starving villages in africa.

more pressure on israel for a withdraw from the gaza strip.

addressing our dependncy on fossil fuels. the less power we give opec the better.

these are just part of my thoughts. obviously not all of these are directly tied to terrorism, but, i feel that in the bigger picture they will help to improve areas that may breed and train future terrorists. it's also sort of a PR campaign for the nation.

additionally i would stop calling it the 'war on terror'. that is silly. you cannot fight a war against a tactic.

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by bringer

thats a great idea. we all know terrorism didnt start until bush was first elected and all attacks since have been his fault.

The US has been meddling in other country's affairs for a good long time and imposing their ideas of what is right and wrong.

Let's face it, when someone tells you how to live your life, you don't like it. Same happens with those people.

Don't want someone to hate you, then don't go meddling in their affairs.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by bringer

thats a great idea. we all know terrorism didnt start until bush was first elected and all attacks since have been his fault.

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by SomeCreep

I would create a bomb so big and powerful, it would kill all life on earth. Then terrorism would be no more.

sounds peaceful

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

The US has been meddling in other country's affairs for a good long time and imposing their ideas of what is right and wrong.

Let's face it, when someone tells you how to live your life, you don't like it. Same happens with those people.

Don't want someone to hate you, then don't go meddling in their affairs.

where are the euros helping the african countries???????

[YankBro]

Bush hating far left? I hate to break it to a guy who makes his money from porn that he is as far-left as anybody else as far as the Bush group is concerned. It takes a special mindset to promote conservative politicians when these guys wouldn't even want you in the same room as themselves or their families. And save the 'less government, pro-business' b.s....the porn industry is being forced to undertake a multi-million dollar paper-chase just to please far-right supporters of Bush and his like. You are among this same group it appears yet deal in porn processing? How does that work out for you at night? Maybe your company sells bibles online and you just enjoy posting on porn webmaster boards for fun...I suppose that would make sense then.

As for the war, I understand the need to continue military attacks in order to inflict financial losses and organizational chaos on the terrorists. I'm anti-bush but I still agree that we are going to see a higher body count on both sides before we step out of the middle east anytime soon. In my opinion, mayhem and death can be a good thing when properly applied. Can you imagine shit like that coming from a democrat? Wow!

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

where are the euros helping the african countries???????

huh? What are you talking about?

Helping a country that asks for help and is in need... is very different than bombing them from the sky, shooting htem in the streets, removing their leader and imposing a new form of government on them with no notice.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by bringer

thats a great idea. we all know terrorism didnt start until bush was first elected and all attacks since have been his fault.

I know it's a good idea.. why I said it..

And Bush just needs to be out of power.. Terrorism may not have started with him but it sure as hell increased with him.

[Mr Pheer]

Originally Posted by smack

first off i wouldn't have jumped to invade iraq. afghanistan needed to be wrapped up before any further military options were considered.

i would have vetoed the patrioc act. it is a terrible violation of rights.

i would start sending aid to countries that produced results in turning over known terrorists.

more funding for law enforcement in high risk areas.

training for ever law enforcement/first responder units in all aspects of terrorism response.

tighten down border security. not as much at the actual entry points as the vast stretches of unwatched land.

multi national coalition to negotiate with places under regimes like iraq, syria, etc.

more focus on north korea.

start gearing our economy to compete with china within the decade. strengthening our position in the international market place will help cement relations with allies and grow the power of the us.

more aid for africa. if we want the world to stop hating us, we need to start helping the shitholes of the third world. we send billions in aid to companies who do not need it, but can't seem to bother to help starving villages in africa.

more pressure on israel for a withdraw from the gaza strip.

addressing our dependncy on fossil fuels. the less power we give opec the better.

these are just part of my thoughts. obviously not all of these are directly tied to terrorism, but, i feel that in the bigger picture they will help to improve areas that may breed and train future terrorists. it's also sort of a PR campaign for the nation.

additionally i would stop calling it the 'war on terror'. that is silly. you cannot fight a war against a tactic.

I nominate smack for President. I dont agree with everything he said, but sure sounds alot better than what our government is doing.

[YankBro]

American's as a whole are fighting the war, not just GOP senators or the Bush family. A few thousand US troops being killed is really a miniscule percentage of war-time losses when looking at the grand-scale objectives at hand. As I remember only one person voted against allowing Bush to use force as a response to 9/11. This included Republicans, Dems and Indies.

The only issue I have with the Iraqi conflict is that we declared open warfare over way too quickly in order to start the gravy train for GOP corporate supporters before the last election started. Soldiers are dying everyday while serving as private security guards for Haliburton (etc) goods and services. I think we could still use a little more bombing and shooting and a little less 'democracy-spreading' if you ask me.

[Barefootsies]

Hmmm.. president, and win the war..

You will never accomplish total victory. As long as people are willign to trade their life for yours, there will always be some terror. However, if it were me as the President of the U.S. I would do the following to start.

First off, I would pull out of Iraq. I would leave it to them. Success, or failure would rely on them. I would fix relations with the UN, and other countries, letting the UN go in there. Other countries could get the business deals (one of main reasons other countries who did not help us are not in there. Bush admin rewarded contracts only to countries involved). I would leave it to the UN, and world to clean up our mess, admitting that we need help.

I would pull out our troops from all these countries all over the globe who do not want us there. I would bring the troops home. Leaving a few strategic military bases scattered across the globe, and pull out the rest.

I would end all this money going overseas. Why would I dump billions of dollars for social services, infrastructure, and so on in a foreign country, when our own states budgets, schools, and social programs suffer? I wouldn't. I would invest the U.S. money where it belongs.. in the U.S.. Both in our own communities, programs, schools, and anti terror technologies.

I would remove the media from covering troops, returning to the days of WWII, and FDR. I would not have reporters all over the place trying to make the troops like like bad guys, and trying to create scandal. Ho Chi Mihn used the media to manipulate U.S. public opinion, and did it well. Saddam, and terrorists are using a page out of that playbook now.

I would let special forces deal with strategic targets. Whether Al Quida, or leaders of these movements, and so on. Preferring stragetic attacks, versus broad sword tactics.

I would stay out of other country's business.. Aruba, Iraq, and every other country you hear about on the news daily. I would stop trying to be the world police. Stop trying to force everyone's hand in the name of 'democracy'.

I would use our troops for the border, ports, and anti terror stuff on our own soil. Not in other countries. Worrying about the U.S. first and foremost, making sure they did not get in from the first place.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by YankBro

Bush hating far left? I hate to break it to a guy who makes his money from porn that he is as far-left as anybody else as far as the Bush group is concerned. It takes a special mindset to promote conservative politicians when these guys wouldn't even want you in the same room as themselves or their families. And save the 'less government, pro-business' b.s....the porn industry is being forced to undertake a multi-million dollar paper-chase just to please far-right supporters of Bush and his like. You are among this same group it appears yet deal in porn processing? How does that work out for you at night? Maybe your company sells bibles online and you just enjoy posting on porn webmaster boards for fun...I suppose that would make sense then.

As for the war, I understand the need to continue military attacks in order to inflict financial losses and organizational chaos on the terrorists. I'm anti-bush but I still agree that we are going to see a higher body count on both sides before we step out of the middle east anytime soon. In my opinion, mayhem and death can be a good thing when properly applied. Can you imagine shit like that coming from a democrat? Wow!

Actually, you would be surprised how many people in this industry are republican. I've been around this biz for 6 years, and I know a lot of people, so I know this to be true. They tend to keep their heads down and not discuss politics, but like myself, they are not simply focused on one single issue.... and some of them also realize that the present changes in the industry are being forced by both sides of the Aisle, both rep and dem are being pushed by their constituents to tighten up on this industry.

Frankly, as an industry, we have been AMAZINGLY free of the regulatory restrictions and sillyness that plague even the average simple deli owner. I don't think you realize how little of a "paper chase" this business is forced into compared to almost every other industry around.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by YankBro

American's as a whole are fighting the war, not just GOP senators or the Bush family. A few thousand US troops being killed is really a miniscule percentage of war-time losses when looking at the grand-scale objectives at hand. As I remember only one person voted against allowing Bush to use force as a response to 9/11. This included Republicans, Dems and Indies.

The only issue I have with the Iraqi conflict is that we declared open warfare over way too quickly in order to start the gravy train for GOP corporate supporters before the last election started. Soldiers are dying everyday while serving as private security guards for Haliburton (etc) goods and services. I think we could still use a little more bombing and shooting and a little less 'democracy-spreading' if you ask me.

I beleve the the reason that we were forced into going into open conflict with Iraq so quickly was that France, Germany and Russia were very close to closing their deal with Saddam to begin trading in PetroEuros, as opposed to PetroDollars, which would have deeply hurt the US economy.

As the the Haliburton issue, what people seem to ignore is that Halliburton is the ONLY US corp capable of taking on a project of this magnitude. There is no other in the US that has the resources, needed to rebuild an entire country's infrastructure. This is the same reason that Halliburton was also awarded the contracts after we invaded Kosovo under Clinton.

[Dirty Dane]

Originally Posted by Headless

I honestly think the only way to fight this war on terror is through education and change.

We need to spread democracy and show this people what it is like to be free and not opressed. Say what you want, but obviously an eye for an eye aint working.

If I was in charge;

First of all - attacking countries and force people to live "our" way of life will not help a shit. Humans are individuals and in society we have to work out compromises to function together. Just look at how complicated a single marriage can be.....

I would start looking at Al Qaeda as an ideology, not an organization, because that is what it really is. They don't give orders - they encourage, and small independant cells arise. The important thing is that the muslims in the greyzone don't turn into extremists. They should have their rights, opinions and religion, but if democracy is supposed to work, then they also need to feel they are part of that democracy. Otherwise, the terrorist cells will have no problem recruiting them.

Opposite, as you see today, is an agression lead by some western leaders, but it does not work at all. There are more independant groups of people turning against the west, because they are driven into it. Exactly what the extremists want.

The only way to solve it, is to think like Ghandi did. Not necessary the same actions, but the same thinking. In one version or another. But it will only work if we get rid of greed and patriotism. On both sides.

[Ogix]

i would stop the war...that's it.

[Giorgio_Xo]

I would stop doing business with authoritarian regimes.
I would invest heavily to create jobs in the region.
I would have a stated policy of mutual respect for all people and live by it.
I would heavily promote education.

[dready]

Start by obeying the law...

[Dalai lama]

Fight the adult industry with throwing .xxx domains and new 2257 regulations at them. Invide Iraq for oil. They rather spend time on this then on fighting terror.

[dropped9]

Nobody has address how they would counter act the hate from bin laden and friends towards the "western world".... They dont just hate us because we poke our noses in different places.

They hate us because we are part of the "WESTERN WORLD". With modern technology, modern toys, modern way of life.

What dont you guys get?

We could of never went to Iraq, never did anything in the past, and bin laden would still be an issue today.

[gentmaster]

I would test a nuke in the Pacific, then send a fleet of Stealth Bombers in an arc-light formation headed towards the middle east and make absolutely no confirmation of what is in their payloads. Have them land within 30 min striking distance off the Iranian and Korean border and communicate an ultimatum to their internal armies.

Hand over Bin Laden, Mullah's and Kim Jong, or watch Mecca dissapear (a good example for Kim Jong).

[DWB]

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

these people dont want democracy? wtf part do you not get? they live by religion they dont give a fuck about wanting to be "free". freedom is defined in many different ways their idea of freedom is through God.

Shit, I have to admit that you are right.... Fucking sucks .

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Personally, I"m willing to bet that the only answers you will see to this question will either be more posts about what they WOULDN'T do or over the top jokes..... But no real plan.

After all, the sources that the left take their rants from have pages and pages of details and "facts" as to what is going wrong..... but they are VERY short on details as to what to do instead.

Haven't read what YOU would do .... but you are above that, aren't you?

[benc]

I think its a bigger issue. There really is no such thing as the war on terror. Thats just a fancy way of saying fighting wars by proxy for Israel and our leaders going along with it because the defense and oil industry will benefit.

They hate us because we are a rich country that is controlled by the jews. Its not politically correct to say that, but its the truth.

So it basically comes down to the whole jew vs muslim conflict that has been bringing down this world for decades. I say to hell with them all.

We are nothing but a pawn that get stirred up by propaganda, go fight and die in wars under the guise of protecting freedom and fighting terror but its all bs. It like everything in this world is about money. Bush and company go a long with it to make money for themselfs and supporters. And Democrats look the other way because they are afraid of looking bad. All the Democrats but one voted for the patriot act etc.

What the future holds, who knows. I think in the next 10 years things will basically be how they are. Gradually getting a prescense in the middle east, controlling the resources. There will be attacks here and there, but I don't think there will be a real major attack for a decade. .

[Code_Havoc]

I think the American government should be the last people to talk about "freedom" to anyone. All they're good at anymore is taken away freedomes.

[Linkster]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

As the the Haliburton issue, what people seem to ignore is that Halliburton is the ONLY US corp capable of taking on a project of this magnitude. There is no other in the US that has the resources, needed to rebuild an entire country's infrastructure. This is the same reason that Halliburton was also awarded the contracts after we invaded Kosovo under Clinton.

That is not a correct statement - there are two other companies that could have done the same thing - but they weren't in the backpockets (anymore) - they are Haliburtons competitors although one of the companies was able to work out a deal to subcontract most of the reconstruction contract as Haliburton couldnt handle it all by themselves

[Linkster]

Also - one of the news stories thats not being covered today is that Halliburton finally is handing over their documents theyve been trying to hide from congress in the US - showing that 8.8 bill is missing in funds billed to the US taxpayers from halliburton since the beginning of the war - figures they'd want to hide that

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Headless

Nobody has address how they would counter act the hate from bin laden and friends towards the "western world".... They dont just hate us because we poke our noses in different places.

They hate us because we are part of the "WESTERN WORLD". With modern technology, modern toys, modern way of life.

What dont you guys get?

We could of never went to Iraq, never did anything in the past, and bin laden would still be an issue today.

Remove the infidels from the Holy Land ....

=

Get the US troops out of Kuwait, Saudia Arabia, Bahrain, Quatar etc ....
Now you add Irak and Afghanistan ...

Bin Laden is a US creation against the Russians ... Ever wonder why the Russians went in Afghanistan??? Oil ?? nada ??? gold?? nada .... Think a bit, HEADLESS

And why is it OK for Americans to finance and supply terrorists against the Russians in Afghanistan, but it is not OK if China would do the same today, i.e. finance/suplly the Talibans against the US????

Get the fuck out of Middle East, let Israel manage their own.

[tony286]

If I was president what I would of done
First get bin laden
Second if I was elected went after Iraq I would made it that any company that wanted gov contract had to hire Iraqi's. When 60 percent of the country is unemployed and some truck driver from ohio is getting 100k to be there thats wrong. Also people with something to lose arent as quick to be terrorists. Also water and electric still not on 100% and the Americans are making fat profits off their country .You can understand them being a little bitter. Thirdly I would have Sperbonzo audited by the irs on a yearly basis lol

[tony286]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I beleve the the reason that we were forced into going into open conflict with Iraq so quickly was that France, Germany and Russia were very close to closing their deal with Saddam to begin trading in PetroEuros, as opposed to PetroDollars, which would have deeply hurt the US economy.

As the the Haliburton issue, what people seem to ignore is that Halliburton is the ONLY US corp capable of taking on a project of this magnitude. There is no other in the US that has the resources, needed to rebuild an entire country's infrastructure. This is the same reason that Halliburton was also awarded the contracts after we invaded Kosovo under Clinton.

First how such a smart man could be such a sheep is beyond me lol Secondly hurting the us economy is not reason to go to war, we should of been off the black heroin years ago

[Double D]

Originally Posted by Headless

But keep in mind... In order to spread democracy some shit is going to need to be stirred... IE: Iraq.... What if saddam didnt have wmd... What if the only reason we went in was to establish a democratic goverment in an effort to spread democracy, thus showing these people there is another way to live...

You ever think we picked Iraq out of the axis of evil because we knew it would be the easiest out of the bunch to over throw? Think about it...

If thats the case, I can deal with it...

Personally I believe that if a nation turns to democracy, they need to do it themselves, thru revolution or just good ol' political and social evolution (if and when it suits them). One nation can't impose its own values on another...its just creating a breeding ground for more terrorists.

[VeriSexy]

I would have spent the money hunting down Al Queda top leaders and not be in Iraq Where the hell is Bin Laden????