The answer to your question and Jonesy's statement above is that we have an American with industry experience on site in charge of that department.

ouch, someones gonna get canned

Hey Rick, what can I say man. You had approached me to buy our script and site a long time ago so it wasn't a surprise when there was talk of a review site of your own. But once I got there, I simply couldn't believe our avatars were on your site, plus all the other stuff used verbatim. It just felt like a knife in the back, and I wanted others to know. So whether you were directly involved or not, you can't blame me for being upset. Posting on GFY wasn't the best way to handle it, but I knew I'd "feel" like I got a little justice and that's what I wanted at the time. If it was one of my businesses ripping off someone, I would expect them to do the same thing. I certainly wouldn't blame them.

There is NO WAY that Marc or myself would knowingly use the same avatars as our biggest competitor. We'd have to be crazy which we aren't. By the way, you can remove shortdomains.com from your signature since I bought that domain and 220 other ones you owned.

Let me know if you want to do a link trade. We are going to throw a shit-ton of traffic at this site. Let's learn from this, move on and make some money together.

This highlights the trouble with outsourcing.

My former partner was filipino, lived here in Vegas and had a shop down in the Philippines in Angeles City. It was a short lived experiment that lasted about 6 months.

While the quality of the work could be outstanding, copyright theft was always a concern, and a couple of times we caught it before it hit the client's eyes.

Heads would roll. We went through a number of managers in a short amount of time, but for some reason they just didn't seem to care..they were so far away I guess they felt untouchable.

I hate to denigrate an entire population or race, but at this point in my life I would not trust another project to be outsourced to the Philippines. It was just way too much of a hassle, and never worth the so called "savings," in cost.

It cost us way much more to have to micro manage every fucking detail. Good luck with outsourcing for those of you who decide to do it.

That is pretty crazy :(

I am pretty sure that Lens and Lars and the owners of the large companies do not review everysingle page that is made by one of their employees.

I am also pretty sure that you 'don't' just give ftp access to upload a whole site.

Hard to find skilled labor that can built a website, has knowledge about php and has
a little bit more knowledge such as database.
http://www.pornsavvy.com/review.php?reviews_id=216

Typical example of bad management, pointing to a local worker. As if that local worker is smart enough to surf around and find this exact site?

Yeah right.

Kuddos Rick.

so they tell a designer they want a site similar to "site A" so the designer uses it to make "site B" and he forgets to pull out and change out some content. OOOPSS Shit! I mean if people didnt copy peoples sites therte would only be like 20 sites in the hole world. LOL

My name is Richard Dotson, and I am the project manager for the PornSavvy project, and the one ultimately responsible for this mistake.

When we started the development of the site, our programmer gathered avatars from the net to use for development only. This was to be for local testing, never for publication.

There was an error in our backend preventing a new writer from uploading his correct avatar. This came to my attention late last week, and we finally corrected the bug the end of our shift on Friday. At that time the reviews by this writer had no avatar displayed. Unknown to me, the programmer did not have a copy of the writers avatar on his computer, and decided to put up one of the old development graphics as a temporary fix. Thus, now I am in a fix.

The error has been corrected.

My apologies to Rick, Marc and Rick M. for the trouble this caused.

50.........

Agreed.

I am most certain Rick will deal with this and learn from this.

Somewhere management as failed him and they deserve what's coming. I was running one of the bigegst call center in Toronto many years ago for Sitel Corporation. We had clients like Visa, MC, Rogers, Bell Atlantic. And yes it happened that unfortunatly our client got hear before us or at same time about a night shift manager skimming on sales or cheating on sales pitch with sales rep.

Of course we got blamed for it. That manager was employed by us. but we dealt quickly with the situation, cut a deal with client to make them happy and moved on to do lots more business.

I am sure this will happen between Rick and Rick ;-)

Hey Rick, all will be fine. I attest to the fact that you nor Marc knowingly tried to pull a fast one on us. I'll move on, we'll both do business again I'm sure and hard feelings will be lost. I don't regret exposing this, and I do hope we all get something out of it in the long run.

Peace.

p.s. changing that sig now, been meaning to do that.

http://www.theoaklandpress.com/image...8/6905_512.jpg

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I had no doubt Rick would take of it:)Its a case you hire $300 a month designers, these arent great creative thinkers. I saw it with the mainstream company I worked for.

Richard, it's not only about the avatar. That was an honest mistake, even though it looked the worst. The blatant text copying and site similarities added to my frustration. I won't fudge over the minor similarities, it's not that big of a deal.

However, you may want to re-word the following still:
"Our team works hard to ensure fair and accurate reviews. To view their profile, click their respective icon."
on http://www.pornsavvy.com/staff.php

That's still verbatim from our homepage, and technically "clicking their icon" goes nowhere anyway. :Oh crap

my bad, i notice clicking the icons at the top of the page is linked with anchors. lol

pretty damned funny, the 'rogue employee' excuse pulled... but seriously, if there was a deal in the past that fell through concerning interest in the original site, i would think latona would have looked at his new site and immediately noticed content that was pirated from the site he was trying to duplicate / buy previously.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Goddamn, it's good to see Rick posting though.

Too bad on the subject matter.

mmmmmm drama

So what? why should it be posted on a public forum... it's nobody elses business. If he ripped you off, file a lawsuit and deal with it. Dont come whining about it on GFY, that won't resolve anything.

ahhahahahhahahahahhahahahah :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

You're like what? 2 months in this business?

This has been standard for as long as I've been in the industry, and more. Ranks is Rick M, former owner from Ynot. When Ynot was the only board in town, this was standard practice.

It not only publicy air the grievance, it also warns any one else doing business with either party.

Thankfully this has reached a positive end, but posts like this have a use, and should always be considered.

What do you mean it won't resolve anything? Looks to me like part of the problem has already been fixed, and I'm sure when they read this thread again the rest will be taken care of as well.

There's no lawsuit here... I can't prove damages. GFY is the most effective cease and desist one could make. My intentions weren't to hate on Rick Latona (or Marc), but it was to say "hey this shit isn't cool" and sometimes it's important to set an example. We've been dealing with a lot of BS in the last year from imitations, and we needed to start stickin up for ourself. The next one might think twice or at least use some more creativity, don't you think?

In addition, I'm not just the guy giving orders or steering the ship. I design every page on thebestporn.com, and write all the text except for the reviews. You don't see me post on GFY much (i read a lot though) because it's so time consuming. So I take a lot of pride in our site, more than just coming up with the concepts.

Goof....

right

surfers are gonna take the fucking time to watermark a fucking video their submitting to cj?

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rogue surfers? :1orglaugh :321GFY

Rick M. is one of the true pioneers of this industry and one of the most tactful business persons I know.

This was a good way to deal with it and it is the way it was done "in the good ol' days".

Not only did it address Latona who came out and responded professionally as did his subordinate (generals always should be prepared to commit seppuku for their emporor) but Rick M's post also sent a message to all the other copycats looking to ride BestPorn's innovations.

Kudos.

You do have a point... :2 cents:

You make my moist in my private spot when you talk so eloquent.

Well considering Rick/CJ didn't bother trying to contact him when their ripped off his site...why should he?

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Just another hard day at the orifice, just doing my job.

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I got moist too.

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"suppuku for their emporor"

Man i had to call up dictionary.com for that one. lol

Thanks for your support Far-L. I salute you samurai style!!

http://www.ranks.com/images/samurai.jpg

First, some words to those talking smack OTHER THAN RICK. Rick's got a right to be pissed and I'll address that in a second.

Jesus Christ on a pogo stick. Some people out there just love jumping on an anti-CJ thread any chance they get. If ANYONE has a beef with us it's not like we're hiding. This wimpy "oh yeah and they suck b/c of this too" stuff is just plain cowardly. [email protected]. 404-808-3187. ICQ - 64425641. I've you've got a problem, don't be a pussy. Call me.

Now, to the problem at hand. ALL of you are missing one huge point: THIS SITE ISN'T LIVE YET!!! There is only one single link burried in a drop-down on the SickSiteNetwork.com navigation piece ONLY on CJ and it's ONLY been up since 7/3. It's just enough to send a trickle of traffic to it to test. If it was live and launched and had my seal of approval don't you think I might have posted something about it? Maybe put ads up for it on all my sites? Hmmm?

Next. on the Rick Latona trashing. Get your facts straight. I handle everything to do with consumptionjunction.com, steakandcheese.com, freakhole.com, revengeworld.com, cjtraffic.com, pornsavvy.com and a few more sites coming down the pipe. Rick is NOT responsible for these sites so he's NOT responsible for this screw-up. I am.

Finaly to the question at hand, I'm not blaming squat on a rogue employee. An employee was told to use "placeholders" till we FINISHED THE SITE which hasn't happened yet. Should that employee have gotten his placeholders from Rick M's site? Hell no. Would that have been caught before we launched? Hell yes.

As for why he went over to Rick M's site it's probably because we took a long hard look at the site when we developed ours. Why not? He's got the best review site out there and we want to build one better. We also looked at Rabbits, AdultReviews, and SirRodney.

Did we copy them? NO. Is our site different? Yes? Did any of you jack-off's accusing us of copying people bother to surf the site, sign-up, use it to know what you're talking about? No.

I'm very proud of this site and how it's different. We have busted our ass to make it a place surfers will come to for reasons OTHER than just to find a review of a porn site. It's a major drawback to every review site out there and that's where we're different. We've got user-interactivity built thru the entire site. You can add any piece of content to your favorites list. You can comment on any peice of content. You can rate any piece of content. We've got a real-deal forum in which the actual writers of the reviews will interact with the visitors. We've got more video content than anyone - min of 3 clips per review. We've built in the ability for the surfers to come and just surf thru the video clips and the galleries like they do on CJ. Of course if they see a clip they're interested in they can click to read the full review or visit the site.

Long and short, don't judge a site I've busted my ass on till I say it's ready to judge. I've already emailed w/ Rick M, made my apologies, made peace. If that's not good enough for anyone else I don't really give a flip.