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07-12-2005, 12:03 PM

It amazes me that days after the whole thing happened there the UK already has intelligence leads and has rounded up suspects, made arrests, and found alleged bomb making dens.

Why do we have such a hard time doing some shit like that on our end?

I just have to say that I am pretty surprised how quickly the polt is unraveling over there in the UK and how many arrests have been made..

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07-12-2005, 12:09 PM

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07-12-2005, 12:10 PM

They have video cameras everywhere.
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07-12-2005, 12:11 PM

Its helps that the UK is a small country..........

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07-12-2005, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by media

Why do we have such a hard time doing some shit like that on our end?

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07-12-2005, 12:13 PM

I think they're pussies, they haven't even started talking about starting a new war yet.
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07-12-2005, 12:14 PM

Brits are top notch at this shit, smaller tighter ship to run than the Americans have.

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07-12-2005, 12:16 PM

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Its helps that the UK is a small country..........

and that their addresses were found at the scene
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07-12-2005, 12:16 PM

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Brits are top notch at this shit, smaller tighter ship to run than the Americans have.

Yeah...I think that Americans would have much more problem with having government cameras taping them everywhere they go...

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07-12-2005, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by Rich

I think they're pussies, they haven't even started talking about starting a new war yet.

they're already there you moron

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07-12-2005, 12:20 PM

The US identified all 18 plane hijackers within 48 hours of the attacks and proved their link to al-Qaeda. A top of that the US and other countries are trying to confict 100s of others for aiding in the attacks.

A negative point is that 6 of the suspects are possibly not the real hijackers at all and the FBI falsely accused the wrong people. Not bad all in all.
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07-12-2005, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by sperbonzo

Yeah...I think that Americans would have much more problem with having government cameras taping them everywhere they go...

Haha, is that true?

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07-12-2005, 12:24 PM

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Haha, is that true?

Yeah, the power of CCTV (close circuit television) - they have them everywhere in the UK.

Helps with vandalism and crime and whatnot.

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07-12-2005, 12:24 PM

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Haha, is that true?

Possibly. "Big Brother" conspiracy theories would for sure ensue on a mass level.
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07-12-2005, 12:27 PM

Originally posted by Sly

Haha, is that true?

Totally true. I've lived and traveled in the UK. There are Cameras all OVER the place... People have even been convicted of crimes in their own homes because outside cameras happened to see them through the windows.

I"m sure that George Orwell would have started putting up "Oceana" signs all over the UK if he was still alive...

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07-12-2005, 12:39 PM

dont forget two things

1. We have been at war with terrorists for th last 80 years
2. If we cant find real suspects we make them up

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07-12-2005, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by Johny Traffic

dont forget two things

1. We have been at war with terrorists for th last 80 years
2. If we cant find real suspects we make them up

Exactly. We have no idea if they're telling us the truth right now. We're taking the word of the same people who originally tried to blame this on al-Qaida based on a posting on a public message board hosting in Texas. With connections to the Bush family, no less.
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07-12-2005, 12:46 PM

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Helps with vandalism and crime and whatnot.

Is that so?

The America haters would LOVE it if we passed a similar law, haha. Am I the only one that finds enjoyment out of learning about other countries fucked up laws?

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07-12-2005, 12:46 PM

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they're already there you moron

Where are they? What part about "new war" don't you understand? Do you have the capacity to do anything besides make yourself look stupid at the same time you're calling people names?
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07-12-2005, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by WEGRuth

Yeah, the power of CCTV (close circuit television) - they have them everywhere in the UK.

Helps with vandalism and crime and whatnot.

Would you want those in Canada? I can't imagine how anyone would support Cameras taping our every move.
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07-12-2005, 12:53 PM

Originally posted by sperbonzo

Yeah...I think that Americans would have much more problem with having government cameras taping them everywhere they go...

Umm we pretty much already have such issues. They may not be "government" cameras but the government can get access to them the second anything happens. We also do have government cameras on nearly every stop light and sign post in our city. Combine those with the assortment of outside security cameras and such and well I would assume that for each hour I spend in town I am on film at least 3/4ths of that.
I do think the UK has a lot more, but do look around they are already here and been here.

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07-12-2005, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by Rich

Where are they? What part about "new war" don't you understand? Do you have the capacity to do anything besides make yourself look stupid at the same time you're calling people names?

But you must understand that I was not educated in Oxford like you

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07-12-2005, 01:01 PM

Anyone would think those were the first bombs we have had in London. We have been dealing with terrorists for a lot of years.

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07-12-2005, 01:05 PM

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But you must understand that I was not educated in Oxford like you

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07-12-2005, 01:07 PM

No need for name calling or anything like that in this thread..

I was just kinda shocked that there's been such quick action taken against those that did this, and that alot of people's families (suicide bombers) have stepped out to say that they think their family members may have been the ones who did it and have provided the authorities with so much information.

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07-12-2005, 02:25 PM

we hav be in diel with Terorizm for 20 years.
lots of baby, child, women & Solger daid in Turkey;
that is more then 30000 people in legal recording.
but anybody help us, in adition was this fucken Terorist Organization was Supporting by some europian & other some countries. i want to say anybody saw that, wile who 30000 people that. how ever when wich attack come your head, you show to your reaction all over the world.
thats intresting actualy.
sins 1000 years we was living like brother or sister what ever with Kurdish people, but but other forrener country shit that, we start to war with Kurdish Terorists.
but still no Problem with Kurdish cominity, my some neare frends olso Kurdish.
we are not enemy, but if wich country crate terorizm in other countries, they hav to se wich is rezolt.
ha i'm not surely accept terorist fucken attacking in London, not guilty people in ther, maybe uk wasn't sported any Teror event. i want to give example only.
finely country not important for that, terorizm only terorizm.
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07-12-2005, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by SGS

Anyone would think those were the first bombs we have had in London. We have been dealing with terrorists for a lot of years.

Well, looking like the first suicide bombers, anyway.
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07-12-2005, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by Sly

Haha, is that true?

If you are in central London you are on a camera somewhere. It has been used many times to solve murder cases, etc. I get so used to it here that when I went home and didn't see cameras that often it felt odd.
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07-12-2005, 02:33 PM

They say UK is 10 years ahead in security ect.

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07-12-2005, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by media

It amazes me that days after the whole thing happened there the UK already has intelligence leads and has rounded up suspects, made arrests, and found alleged bomb making dens.

Why do we have such a hard time doing some shit like that on our end?

I just have to say that I am pretty surprised how quickly the polt is unraveling over there in the UK and how many arrests have been made..

THey seem to be doing good work. Also in Madrid the spanish police closed in on the Al-Qaeda cell within 4 days after the bombings and after stopping a second railway attack.
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07-12-2005, 02:47 PM

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They have video cameras everywhere.

yer everywhere I mean this is the kind of shit they use to justify the cameras so they had better pick some people up quickly
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07-12-2005, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by media

It amazes me that days after the whole thing happened there the UK already has intelligence leads and has rounded up suspects, made arrests, and found alleged bomb making dens.

Why do we have such a hard time doing some shit like that on our end?

I just have to say that I am pretty surprised how quickly the polt is unraveling over there in the UK and how many arrests have been made..

We do the same shit on our end. Several al Qiada cells have been busted in the US since 9/11. Three fourths of the known leadership of al Qiada...at the time of 9/11...have been killed or captured in various locations around the world. Hundreds...if not thousands of al Qaida members have been killed or captured.

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07-12-2005, 02:51 PM

Most of the cameras are used for traffic control.

You have to pay £8 a day to drive in london............. every road in and out has cameras to snap your plates. Traffic cameras were everywhere so police could stop the grid locks or try to. Then most stores have them for shoplifters and office have them as it lowers insurance costs and number of security guards required etc.

Very few of the cameras have anything to do with the government.

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07-12-2005, 03:23 PM

maybe (just maybe) because part of the conspiracy plots about 9-11 are true? maybe because UK security services care? maybe they're just good and CIA efficiency is true only in Hollywood movies? Or maybe because CIA is way too efficient? Guess we'll never know the answers
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07-12-2005, 03:57 PM

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The US identified all 18 plane hijackers within 48 hours of the attacks and proved their link to al-Qaeda. A top of that the US and other countries are trying to confict 100s of others for aiding in the attacks.

A negative point is that 6 of the suspects are possibly not the real hijackers at all and the FBI falsely accused the wrong people. Not bad all in all.

But they still don't have OSAMA after hundreds of billions being spent

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07-12-2005, 05:06 PM

Directly after 9/11 we knew everyone who was involved, and with a day or two knew their entire life history. However, everyone was dead.

I wonder what our government knows that we don't - about attempts they've stopped through out the years.

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07-12-2005, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by RocHard

Directly after 9/11 we knew everyone who was involved, and with a day or two knew their entire life history. However, everyone was dead.

I wonder what our government knows that we don't - about attempts they've stopped through out the years.

What about the attacks they didn't stop, like the World Trade Center attacks of 1994 (same people). I guess they had 7 years to get to the bottom of it. Too bad it took 9/11 to take serious action.

Sad part is that we knew there was going to be a terrorist attack via planes. All the signs were there, we just didn't act on it. (Correction: Bush didn't act on it)

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07-12-2005, 06:30 PM

the master minds must be captured so that this threats would end. for sure this attacks will never end.
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07-12-2005, 10:37 PM

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But they still don't have OSAMA after hundreds of billions being spent

'Well frankly, I don't care where he is,' were Bush' words on the Al-Qaeda leader. Too bad for the so called war on terror that greedy neocons were more interested in Iraqi oil.
And too bad for the US that a bunch of idiots planned the whole campaign so that 2,5 years after the invasion things are still getting worse and more costly...

It should be easy to find Osama as his cave is trembling from laughter over so much incompetence. But if the Dubya doesn't care, well...
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07-12-2005, 10:42 PM

Stop and think for a minute about what you are saying. the entire world is watching for the terrorists, to Stop them befor they blow something up.

5 Bombs go off in England, and they could NOT stop them. Now all of a sudden, they have the information to arrest people, and have found bomb labs?? why could they not find this before, and prevent it???

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07-13-2005, 03:08 AM

Originally posted by EviLSuperstaR

'Well frankly, I don't care where he is,' were Bush' words on the Al-Qaeda leader. Too bad for the so called war on terror that greedy neocons were more interested in Iraqi oil.
And too bad for the US that a bunch of idiots planned the whole campaign so that 2,5 years after the invasion things are still getting worse and more costly...

It should be easy to find Osama as his cave is trembling from laughter over so much incompetence. But if the Dubya doesn't care, well...

The ratio between money gained on oil compared to the money spent on military expenditures became unequaled in 1995. The conspiracy theories based on oil is nothing more than dumbass hippies/anti-americans needing an excuse beyond the true war on radical muslims that cant accept the fact that life exists beyond their narrow minded religious nationalistic views.
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07-13-2005, 03:10 AM

Originally posted by pornguy

Stop and think for a minute about what you are saying. the entire world is watching for the terrorists, to Stop them befor they blow something up.

5 Bombs go off in England, and they could NOT stop them. Now all of a sudden, they have the information to arrest people, and have found bomb labs?? why could they not find this before, and prevent it???

By the date of April 2003 the world has stopped over 100s of convirmed terrorist attacks.

Read the news.
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07-13-2005, 03:16 AM

Seriously people. Read the fucking news once in alwhile. Be informed on what is really going on. Your lack of knowledge is making you ignorant to reality which desperately needs reformation.
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07-13-2005, 03:30 AM

So many people are headline news cretinous arm chair wanna-be generals.
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07-13-2005, 03:37 AM

Originally posted by Antonio

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I'll second this..... we have the best policing, detective and justice system in the entire world (bar none).

Crime detection is extremely high in the UK.

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07-13-2005, 03:39 AM

Originally posted by Sly

Haha, is that true?

yep, cameras everywhere
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07-13-2005, 03:46 AM

Sometimes living in the US and then reading threads like this makes me feel like I have slipped down the rabbit hole into Wonderland...

Thousands of malls and stores use surveillance cameras: look up next time you go into a Wal-Mart, your bank, and even some gas stations. Make sure you smile every time you use an ATM!

Cameras focussed on the streets in town centers have been popular for years in Britain (usually they are placed very visibly to increase their value as crime deterrents), but they are used all over the US as well. Google on "surveillance cameras in city centers" and items about Chicago, Baltimore and New York appear at the top of the first page of results.

The truth is that we all have a lot less freedom and privacy than we might want to admit. And although the specifics vary, trying to argue which country is overall more or less free, would be a lot like debating whether one brand of cheap white bread is healthier than another.
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07-13-2005, 06:16 AM

Originally posted by jayeff

Sometimes living in the US and then reading threads like this makes me feel like I have slipped down the rabbit hole into Wonderland...

I think they slipped the hallucinogens to the country sometimes shortly before Powell and Ashcroft started singing

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07-13-2005, 07:46 AM

Originally posted by sperbonzo

Totally true. I've lived and traveled in the UK. There are Cameras all OVER the place... People have even been convicted of crimes in their own homes because outside cameras happened to see them through the windows.

they're not allowed to look through windows into peoples houses by law, so that's bullshit.
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07-13-2005, 07:59 AM

Originally posted by media

It amazes me that days after the whole thing happened there the UK already has intelligence leads and has rounded up suspects, made arrests, and found alleged bomb making dens.

Why do we have such a hard time doing some shit like that on our end?

I just have to say that I am pretty surprised how quickly the polt is unraveling over there in the UK and how many arrests have been made..

Within 24 hours after the Oklahoma City bombing the Clinton admin had their men in custody. Here we are almost 4 years after 9/11 and Bush still can't even say bin Laden's name let alone capture him.
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