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Old 07-20-2005, 01:55 AM   #1
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WTF happened to freedom of speech???

Looks like America is slowly becoming China

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Old 07-20-2005, 02:03 AM   #2
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tsk. tsk. god bless america.
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Old 07-20-2005, 02:14 AM   #3
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It's a shame when government stormtroopers use such techniques on non-violent passive resistance protestors.

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Old 07-20-2005, 02:19 AM   #4
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Thats pretty fucked up righ there, but people are starting to expect such behaviour from the police these days, not much they can't get away with...
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That's messed up, but if those demonstrators had their way, I'm sure dissenting expression of any kind would be outlawed. Just take a look at communist countries and most of Europe and note the political slant for which even simple verbal expression officially is a punishable crime. In Germany for example you face jail time if you disagree with any facet of the official holocaust story, including the thoroughtly debunked Anne Frank diary (which is partly written in the then not yet invented ball pen).
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human right agencies should be watchful of these.
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Old 07-20-2005, 03:39 AM   #7
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What was that all about? I'd need more context than what the video provides.


Also: What debunking of the Anne Frank Diary? I've never heard of it being debunked. I've read it and been to her secret annex in amsterdam. Links
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When Nazi's take over government, you get a Nazi state. Still honestly belief a new form of government (ie-over throw current one) is the only thing to save what's left of this already falling country.
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Thats pretty fucked up righ there, but people are starting to expect such behaviour from the police these days, not much they can't get away with...
1. You have no idea what this is all about.
2. The police just follow orders given by the politicians.
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That's messed up, but if those demonstrators had their way, I'm sure dissenting expression of any kind would be outlawed. Just take a look at communist countries and most of Europe and note the political slant for which even simple verbal expression officially is a punishable crime. In Germany for example you face jail time if you disagree with any facet of the official holocaust story, including the thoroughtly debunked Anne Frank diary (which is partly written in the then not yet invented ball pen).
WTF are you smoking?

Freedom of speech in Europe is way better than in some other countries
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1. You have no idea what this is all about.
2. The police just follow orders given by the politicians.
so the politicians told the police to put people to sleep with a potentially brain damaging techniques? Cutting off oxigen to the brain is not a very good idea, specially under circumstances like in that video...
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they are violating human rights.
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1. You have no idea what this is all about.
2. The police just follow orders given by the politicians.

So they are nothing but storm troopers for the rich politicians.....
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What about a story?

What I see is that they are allowed to walk and demonstrate during the day. No one stops them.
But if I had a bunch of hippie junkies sitting outside my house in the middle of night and screaming when the kids try to sleep, then they beg for trouble... not freedom
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Patriot Act

I don't think that Americans understand that they have no rights any more.

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Why are they wasting all that time trying to move them when they could just bash open their skulls with flashlights? I don't get it.
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hahah this was so funny....everyone watches a video that was made by the protesters and then they say the US sucks and there is no freedom of speech. None of you have a clue what actually was going on there. Does anyone even know the reasons they were being arrested??? No. Pretty sad how people can look at a video and then make a complete opinion about it without even know the full situation.
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so the politicians told the police to put people to sleep with a potentially brain damaging techniques? Cutting off oxigen to the brain is not a very good idea, specially under circumstances like in that video...
actually, its a great idea.
although, I'd have prefered they were beaten with night sticks until they walked themselves to the paddy wagon.

all of you identifying with the protesters make me laugh. you'll never amount to anything.
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infecto, you should add "-JBM" to your sig so your statement has more clarity.

since you're now banned from there.
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Does anyone even know the reasons they were being arrested??? No. Pretty sad how people can look at a video and then make a complete opinion about it without even know the full situation.
This is true, they may have been pushing it all day long then there was a big disturbance right before the cops responded that they didn't show in their clip. However, the cops should have used tear gas to break them up.

If you think you have the right to have your voice heard by protesting in America 2005 just show up to a Bush rally with a sign or shirt criticizing him
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Knowing the full situation I would have to say its very reminiscent of what we went through in 1968-70 having been involved in many "activities" back then

For those of you that dont follow important political things in your sheeplike state of being - here's where it was and why things happened and what is being done about it:
http://santacruz.indymedia.org/newsw...7685/index.php
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funny how is regular person treat me like that I could beat the fuck out them but not a cop. Hmmmmm. Exactly what is the point of "self-defense" and the 2nd amendment if I can't use them on the government?
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did i see a university sign in the begining? If so its called MOTHER FUCKING TRESSPASSSSSSINNNGGGGGGG... hippies get what they deserve, Those cops were doing pressure points, Non lethal just enough to make you want to get the fuck up and leave..
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Riddler - read the fucking link I posted above - those were university students at that university
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In Germany for example you face jail time if you disagree with any facet of the official holocaust story, including the thoroughtly debunked Anne Frank diary (which is partly written in the then not yet invented ball pen).
huh??? That's news to me
first I hear of this
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'Freedom of Speech' Yah, right, FOS! If the little 'speech' follows certain guidelines, sure, you are free to spew.

The moment one treads on the truth, the Nazis send out the Uber troopers for a little workout. Yes, some countries are more tolerant than others are while many have zero tolerance.
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Riddler - read the fucking link I posted above - those were university students at that university
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That will get some milage in any lawsuits.

One of the feedbacks to the article posted the addy of the students' website:

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since you're now banned from there.

waaaah old man....lol only reason I am banned there is because your a cry baby.
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waaaah old man....lol only reason I am banned there is because your a cry baby.
never the less, you can no longer do business there.
life sucks when you're young and dumb.
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What about a story?

What I see is that they are allowed to walk and demonstrate during the day. No one stops them.
But if I had a bunch of hippie junkies sitting outside my house in the middle of night and screaming when the kids try to sleep, then they beg for trouble... not freedom
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hahah this was so funny....everyone watches a video that was made by the protesters and then they say the US sucks and there is no freedom of speech. None of you have a clue what actually was going on there. Does anyone even know the reasons they were being arrested??? No. Pretty sad how people can look at a video and then make a complete opinion about it without even know the full situation.
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actually, its a great idea.
although, I'd have prefered they were beaten with night sticks until they walked themselves to the paddy wagon.

all of you identifying with the protesters make me laugh. you'll never amount to anything.

No matter what the government does, there will always be idiots defending their actions. What about your right to free assembly? Oh I forgot, that only applies to people who are saying things you agree with, right? You people are pathetic wastes of life, you're the kind of ignorant fucks who would have voted for the nazi's because all you understand is hatred and you're too stupid to think for yourselves. Is it that you guys are bitter because you've never been laid in your lives without paying for it, or did you all just get your asses kicked every day when you were kids and you can't get over it? I can imagine a little 12dicks getting humiliated every day on the playground and dreaming about the fantastic moustache he'd grow one day and how he'd look down on anyone who disagreed with his far right, nearly fascist ideology. There must be some legitimate reason for your hatred of other people and your authoritarian behaviour. Mommy didn't love you? Daddy stuck his fingers in your bum at night?

You clowns will say in one breath that the US is the greatest, most free country in the world, and in the next you'll say that you agree non violent protesters should be broken up with violence. Trust me, if you had any kind of common sense you'd be laughing at your own ridiculousness.
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No matter what the government does, there will always be idiots defending their actions. What about your right to free assembly? Oh I forgot, that only applies to people who are saying things you agree with, right? You people are pathetic wastes of life, you're the kind of ignorant fucks who would have voted for the nazi's because all you understand is hatred and you're too stupid to think for yourselves. Is it that you guys are bitter because you've never been laid in your lives without paying for it, or did you all just get your asses kicked every day when you were kids and you can't get over it? I can imagine a little 12dicks getting humiliated every day on the playground and dreaming about the fantastic moustache he'd grow one day and how he'd look down on anyone who disagreed with his far right, nearly fascist ideology. There must be some legitimate reason for your hatred of other people and your authoritarian behaviour. Mommy didn't love you? Daddy stuck his fingers in your bum at night?

You clowns will say in one breath that the US is the greatest, most free country in the world, and in the next you'll say that you agree non violent protesters should be broken up with violence. Trust me, if you had any kind of common sense you'd be laughing at your own ridiculousness.
No matter what the government does, there will always be idiots condemning their actions.

Bich has never met a criminal he didn't identify with.

It's called tresspass, halfwit. Its called resisting arrest, halfwit. I guess when little Bichie was growing up, his criminal parents instilled their morals in him.
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No matter what the government does, there will always be idiots condemning their actions.

Bich has never met a criminal he didn't identify with.

It's called tresspass, halfwit. Its called resisting arrest, halfwit. I guess when little Bichie was growing up, his criminal parents instilled their morals in him.
yeah, students protesting on a university campus is trespassing and a criminal act. Retard.

Too bad your redneck parents didn't teach you anything besides how to hate people you don't understand.

Let me ask you something 12dicks, did you get laid once in college without paying for it? Did you even go to college? Where does your hatred come from? Tiny dick?
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Freedom of speech is alive and well! Just use terms like "protecting the homeland", "insurgents", "allowing others to realize the meaning of democracy", "illegal aliens", "under God" and ya could give a speech five hours long in Washington.

Elsewhere, they may tell ya to go fuck yourself, - others often actually practice freedom of speech as a norm and often as part of a democracy in the true sense.
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yeah, students protesting on a university campus is trespassing and a criminal act. Retard.
ahahahaha, no, no. you're right! all those police were breaking the law, not the losers they were arresting.
my god, what a joke you are!

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Too bad your redneck parents didn't teach you anything besides how to hate people you don't understand.
yeah, expecting people to obey the law = hate in little Bichie land. Your parents did well by you.

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Let me ask you something 12dicks, did you get laid once in college without paying for it? Did you even go to college? Where does your hatred come from? Tiny dick?
hahahahaha, you don't want to play that game do you Bichie? there's a reason there are no pics of you floating around here.
you should better protect your land of make believe. No one would want to be you if they could be me paying for sex, tiny dick and all!
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Is 12clicks just a total retard or does he think he is being a smart ass with his dumb responses - always layered with his usual diatribe of ridicule.

Probably the former and a condition caused by inbreeding.
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never the less, you can no longer do business there.
life sucks when you're young and dumb.
Old man I never did business there.....youll never get it through your head though. I don't do business with anyone over the boards or even build contacts through the boards. So life doesn't suck and I am not dumb I had fun and realized what I was doing and what would probably happen (Banning). But please continue and think you actually did something to me.
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Is 12clicks just a total retard or does he think he is being a smart ass with his dumb responses - always layered with his usual diatribe of ridicule.

Probably the former and a condition caused by inbreeding.
my replies are tailored to the poster. Notice how simple I keep the words when replying to you.
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hahah this was so funny....everyone watches a video that was made by the protesters and then they say the US sucks and there is no freedom of speech. None of you have a clue what actually was going on there. Does anyone even know the reasons they were being arrested??? No. Pretty sad how people can look at a video and then make a complete opinion about it without even know the full situation.
took the words right out of my mouth.

the thread isn't about free speech or The Constitution -its about "I hate Bush/I hate the USA"

no one has even the slightest clue what was happening and why.. but everyone has an opinion on how it is proof of the erosion of western values.
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my replies are tailored to the poster. Notice how simple I keep the words when replying to you.
Sheesh.. you are pathetic!

OK.. Gotta remember to ignore retards.
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I'm surprised this didn't make national news. The police choking all those people out until they are unconscious is just unbelievable.

Whoever authorized that deserves to be shot.
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Old 07-20-2005, 12:15 PM   #43
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Old man I never did business there.....youll never get it through your head though. I don't do business with anyone over the boards or even build contacts through the boards. So life doesn't suck and I am not dumb I had fun and realized what I was doing and what would probably happen (Banning). But please continue and think you actually did something to me.
no, as you told me over and over and over in icq, it doesn't matter. I know.
it matters so little, I'm in your sig, you came back under a new account, you icqed me.............should I be looking for snail mail from you telling me how it doesn't matter?
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Old 07-20-2005, 12:18 PM   #44
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no, as you told me over and over and over in icq, it doesn't matter. I know.
it matters so little, I'm in your sig, you came back under a new account, you icqed me.............should I be looking for snail mail from you telling me how it doesn't matter?

lol dude I got over that after the day of the banning. yeah I went a little over board but that was it...you keep it going...if anyone is the child its you man.
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Ok, so I hit the nail on the head, tiny dick and has to pay for sex. That explains a hell of a lot 12dicks. Yet you still think people envy you, that may be the funniest part. Despite the fact that you'll never have the common sense to see it, losers like you are what's wrong with this world. Bin Laden probably hates the world for many of the same reasons you do.

Let me guess, you've also never won anything in your life. When you were younger, you sucked at sports, sucked at school, sucked at life. That's the only way to become as insecure an adult as you are. Your hatred of everything honest and free is very telling.
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Old 07-20-2005, 12:20 PM   #46
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Is 12clicks just a total retard or does he think he is being a smart ass with his dumb responses - always layered with his usual diatribe of ridicule.

Little from column A, little from column B. All he knows is that he hates people who think differently than he does and in his mind he is superior to them. Most of the kids I went to school with who had no friends and got beaten up on a daily basis turned out the same way.
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Old 07-20-2005, 12:23 PM   #47
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Rich you hit it on the head. 12clicks thinks he is something big in this industry when he really isn't that big at all. I even find my situation funny. He think I am keeping something going yet he is the one that keeps bringing it up lol. Old men are sooo sad.

Look how much time he wastes on us even though he thinks we are stupid.
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Old 07-20-2005, 12:30 PM   #48
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Little from column A, little from column B. All he knows is that he hates people who think differently than he does and in his mind he is superior to them. Most of the kids I went to school with who had no friends and got beaten up on a daily basis turned out the same way.
He's too pathetic and not worth wasting time on. The degree of arrogance/superiority is a psychological condition that needs a shrink, but more likely stemming for a massive inferiority complex and a "need" to prove something.
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Old 07-20-2005, 12:48 PM   #49
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Ok, so I hit the nail on the head, tiny dick and has to pay for sex. That explains a hell of a lot 12dicks. Yet you still think people envy you, that may be the funniest part. Despite the fact that you'll never have the common sense to see it, losers like you are what's wrong with this world. Bin Laden probably hates the world for many of the same reasons you do.

Let me guess, you've also never won anything in your life. When you were younger, you sucked at sports, sucked at school, sucked at life. That's the only way to become as insecure an adult as you are. Your hatred of everything honest and free is very telling.
ahahahaha, son, you really need to step back. You keep talking about hate and envy. you think we don't see how bitter you are? Don't project your outlook on life on me.

Unlike you, I've been out in public. your sad little fairy tales only work on shut ins like yourself.
keep your imagination going about what I am and what I do, just don't say it to anyone who's met me or you'll lose all that imaginary pride.
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Old 07-20-2005, 12:49 PM   #50
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Rich you hit it on the head. 12clicks thinks he is something big in this industry when he really isn't that big at all. I even find my situation funny. He think I am keeping something going yet he is the one that keeps bringing it up lol. Old men are sooo sad.

Look how much time he wastes on us even though he thinks we are stupid.
oh look, infecto found a friend to explain how little it matters to.
I love it when trolls team up to find validation.
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