Why the hell are all the new sponsors REVSHARE? - GoFuckYourself.com

VeriSexy · 07-10-2005, 01:31 PM

It's been a really long time since I have seen a new sponsor come up that pays $40 per signup. Now 90% of all sponsors that popup are all revshare. Are times really that bad? Back in 1999/2000 most sponsors we pay per click and pay per signup. Man I miss the click through calvin days..................

datatank · 07-10-2005, 01:33 PM

Check out http://www.pornopushers.com/

VeriSexy · 07-10-2005, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by datatank

Check out http://www.pornopushers.com/

Pretty sweet looking sites

TheDoc · 07-10-2005, 01:55 PM

A lot of the new programs opening only have 1-3 sites.. Not safe to run a flat rate program with a low number of sites, much harder to build high volume with.

Peaches · 07-10-2005, 01:59 PM

Financial support. It's a lot easier if you don't have much capital to start off with revshare.

Rui · 07-10-2005, 02:10 PM

I actualy see new small sponsors offering PPS as a HUGE RED-FLAG, most that offer such didn't do their home work and thier maths are seriously flawed...

Sly · 07-10-2005, 02:12 PM

I'm with Rui. I probably wouldn't send traffic to a new PPS unless the person behind it had experience running a PPS. Even with a bankroll, running PPS takes skill and perfection. Look at what happened with XBangCash.

Steve · 07-10-2005, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

I'm with Rui. I probably wouldn't send traffic to a new PPS unless the person behind it had experience running a PPS. Even with a bankroll, running PPS takes skill and perfection. Look at what happened with XBangCash.

What happened to XbangCash? Are these guys safe to use? Recently added their galleries, so you have me concerned right now.

Sly · 07-10-2005, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve

What happened to XbangCash? Are these guys safe to use? Recently added their galleries, so you have me concerned right now.

They went from PPS to rev-share real quick like. Rev-share may be fine, I really don't know. You would have to ask their affiliates.

Rui · 07-10-2005, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

I'm with Rui. I probably wouldn't send traffic to a new PPS unless the person behind it had experience running a PPS. Even with a bankroll, running PPS takes skill and perfection. Look at what happened with XBangCash.

Perfect example, plus not many people are interested in banking or have the capital to fund a "PPS-went-wrong" approach.

PPS its all about volume and of course the product you are marketing

Corleone · 07-10-2005, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve

What happened to XbangCash? Are these guys safe to use? Recently added their galleries, so you have me concerned right now.

always got my epass payments

and I hope they'll keep on sending me $

the ratios are cool too .

Steve · 07-10-2005, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

They went from PPS to rev-share real quick like. Rev-share may be fine, I really don't know. You would have to ask their affiliates.

well, judging from our trial to full member ratios, it's no wonder they dropped the PPS model - hope they keep them 2-3 months

VeriSexy · 07-10-2005, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Rui

I actualy see new small sponsors offering PPS as a HUGE RED-FLAG, most that offer such didn't do their home work and thier maths are seriously flawed...

I see a major problem with sponsors that lauch their paysites without fully testing to make sure their sites convert and clients will rebill before lauching their programs. If these sponsors do their homework before they lauch, they can lauch PPS quite successfully. A few years back most sponsors lauched with PPS and PP Click and they did quite well. I guess times have changed and people just don't rebill as much as they use to.

Now I see only 1/3 of people that join even bother to rebill on some revshare programs that I have joined.......

StuBradley · 07-10-2005, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by VeriSexy

I guess times have changed and people just don't rebill as much as they use to.

We have a winner!!!

tranza · 07-10-2005, 02:45 PM

What's the problem with revshare?

Manowar · 07-10-2005, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve

What happened to XbangCash? Are these guys safe to use? Recently added their galleries, so you have me concerned right now.

They are solid, they just had to switch to revshare from PPS a while back.

Rui · 07-10-2005, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by VeriSexy

I see a major problem with sponsors that lauch their paysites without fully testing to make sure their sites convert and clients will rebill before lauching their programs. If these sponsors do their homework before they lauch, they can lauch PPS quite successfully. A few years back most sponsors lauched with PPS and PP Click and they did quite well. I guess times have changed and people just don't rebill as much as they use to.

Now I see only 1/3 of people that join even bother to rebill on some revshare programs that I have joined.......

Not that simple as you make it sound, PPS is all about volume, something that most new or small programs lack.

You are rigth in what you say that most sponsors don't properly beta test their own sites.

Keep in mind that many programs that offer PPS do nothing but fuck the person signing up, be it with cookie-cutter members areas, pre-checked cross-sales, plug-in hell's, sell their members mails and spam the living shit out of them and so on...
Many affiliates also don't do their homework when they promote such sponsors, simply because they want to get paid PPS no matter what

Edit: And easy rebills are much lower nowadays

Mike_J · 07-10-2005, 02:47 PM

Never liked PPS, if you promote the right sites with revshare you'll earn way more then $35 per signup in the end

Garou · 07-10-2005, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by datatank

Check out http://www.pornopushers.com/

never heard of them b4. Are they new?

StuBradley · 07-10-2005, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike_J

Never liked PPS, if you promote the right sites with revshare you'll earn way more then $35 per signup in the end

Spoken like someone with 7 posts. I did some research a few weeks ago on sites that I promoted from within the member's area of evalovescum.com. There were six very popular single girl (hardcore) sites that I promoted. All of these programs were revshare and all openly claimed that they retain their members for 5-6 months. Over a 6 month period I calculated that the average customer accross the board stayed at these sites for 1.21 months. The best site of the six kept members for a whopping 1.43 months.

The fact is that these sites (including Eva's) do bring back the same customers over and over again. However, people are staying for shorter periods of time per signup.

The reason is that there is just too much other shit out there to see. Why stay at one site for six months when you can download everything from a member's area in less than a week. So now the average customer signs up and cancels right away. He grabs and/or watches everything he wants in his 30 days and when that's up he moves on to another site. If he liked your site then five or six months later he will come back...and guess what, this time he knows the URL and bypasses the affiliate.

This is why people are moving to revshare. However, programs like mine will continue to make money with PPS because I get a shitload of type-in traffic from previous members.

BVF · 07-10-2005, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

They went from PPS to rev-share real quick like. Rev-share may be fine, I really don't know. You would have to ask their affiliates.

they went from pps to rev-share to rev-share on bullshit 2.95 trials.

Mako · 07-10-2005, 03:44 PM

As Marc De, and TheDoc, and many many others have said, PPS absolutely works for sponsors, and is still very viable today in terms of profitability. The gold rush is not over, not by a long shot. Just have to be smarter to find the viens...

Knowing this, if you're going to offer PPS out of the gate like "the old days" you'd better have all the details down to a science, your upsells/cross-sells absolutely bulletproof, your ability to monetize member emails down pat, and your fixed costs clearly accounted for. You'd also better have a nice war chest of funds to support you during the four or more months you're going to be upside down in terms of affiliate payouts versus recurring revenue.

The bottom line is that if you're a pro, a true ace in the business, you don't WANT to offer revshare. You LOSE money that way as a sponsor. You WANT the affiliate to hem and haw about their immediate gratification PPS program, and miniscule $35 payout, because the sooner you pay their asses off for the join they send, at $35 or whatever, the better. Gets you clear to take care of YOUR business as a sponsor, by figuring out how you're not only going to recoup that $35, but how you're going to double it before the surfer quits the site in 1.2 months lol...

davidd · 07-10-2005, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by VeriSexy

It's been a really long time since I have seen a new sponsor come up that pays $40 per signup. Now 90% of all sponsors that popup are all revshare. Are times really that bad? Back in 1999/2000 most sponsors we pay per click and pay per signup. Man I miss the click through calvin days..................

1. No money - Takes dollars to support PPS
2. No clue - Takes intelligence to make PPS work
3. No balls - Takes balls to put your money on the line (see #1)

bigdog · 07-10-2005, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by StuBradley

Spoken like someone with 7 posts. I did some research a few weeks ago on sites that I promoted from within the member's area of evalovescum.com. There were six very popular single girl (hardcore) sites that I promoted. All of these programs were revshare and all openly claimed that they retain their members for 5-6 months. Over a 6 month period I calculated that the average customer accross the board stayed at these sites for 1.21 months. The best site of the six kept members for a whopping 1.43 months.

The fact is that these sites (including Eva's) do bring back the same customers over and over again. However, people are staying for shorter periods of time per signup.

The reason is that there is just too much other shit out there to see. Why stay at one site for six months when you can download everything from a member's area in less than a week. So now the average customer signs up and cancels right away. He grabs and/or watches everything he wants in his 30 days and when that's up he moves on to another site. If he liked your site then five or six months later he will come back...and guess what, this time he knows the URL and bypasses the affiliate.

This is why people are moving to revshare. However, programs like mine will continue to make money with PPS because I get a shitload of type-in traffic from previous members.

great fucking post, a lot of sites keep a member for a month and then he comes back every couple months later, with revshare you never get credit for that.

Mako · 07-10-2005, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by davidd

1. No money - Takes dollars to support PPS
2. No clue - Takes intelligence to make PPS work
3. No balls - Takes balls to put your money on the line (see #1)

Manowar · 07-10-2005, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Garou

never heard of them b4. Are they new?

Yep, ran by the guys behind PornKings

Persignup Qon · 07-10-2005, 04:01 PM

it's amazing how no one sees members as.... members anymore. i know several very successful paysites with small affiliate programs that do well without dicking over their customers. they are not interested in paying persignup because they want to be sure their customers actually WANT to pay & be rebilled. seems most of you see this is just cash & have lost (or never had) an idea of what you are really selling

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VeriSexy · 07-10-2005, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by StuBradley

Spoken like someone with 7 posts. I did some research a few weeks ago on sites that I promoted from within the member's area of evalovescum.com. There were six very popular single girl (hardcore) sites that I promoted. All of these programs were revshare and all openly claimed that they retain their members for 5-6 months. Over a 6 month period I calculated that the average customer accross the board stayed at these sites for 1.21 months. The best site of the six kept members for a whopping 1.43 months.

The fact is that these sites (including Eva's) do bring back the same customers over and over again. However, people are staying for shorter periods of time per signup.

The reason is that there is just too much other shit out there to see. Why stay at one site for six months when you can download everything from a member's area in less than a week. So now the average customer signs up and cancels right away. He grabs and/or watches everything he wants in his 30 days and when that's up he moves on to another site. If he liked your site then five or six months later he will come back...and guess what, this time he knows the URL and bypasses the affiliate.

This is why people are moving to revshare. However, programs like mine will continue to make money with PPS because I get a shitload of type-in traffic from previous members.

I have also noticed the same thing, only a faction of the people rebill more than 2 months........... I noticed only 1/3 of the people that signup bother rebilling and way more cancels and chargebacks than a few years ago..

oil · 07-10-2005, 04:06 PM

in my opion REVS program don´t shave to much PPS do

Hardlinks · 07-10-2005, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by StuBradley

Spoken like someone with 7 posts. I did some research a few weeks ago on sites that I promoted from within the member's area of evalovescum.com. There were six very popular single girl (hardcore) sites that I promoted. All of these programs were revshare and all openly claimed that they retain their members for 5-6 months. Over a 6 month period I calculated that the average customer accross the board stayed at these sites for 1.21 months. The best site of the six kept members for a whopping 1.43 months.

The fact is that these sites (including Eva's) do bring back the same customers over and over again. However, people are staying for shorter periods of time per signup.

The reason is that there is just too much other shit out there to see. Why stay at one site for six months when you can download everything from a member's area in less than a week. So now the average customer signs up and cancels right away. He grabs and/or watches everything he wants in his 30 days and when that's up he moves on to another site. If he liked your site then five or six months later he will come back...and guess what, this time he knows the URL and bypasses the affiliate.

This is why people are moving to revshare. However, programs like mine will continue to make money with PPS because I get a shitload of type-in traffic from previous members.

You missed the part where he said "if you pick the right sites"

Of course your not going to get as much retention on a single girl hardcore site as you would with a specialty niche. You send sign ups to a medical fetish/balloon/footfetish/bdsm, you will see that often revshare is the smartest route. His statements as well as yours are both correct. Its just knowing which traffic is worth what, and what will convert AND retain that traffic.

For example the average tushycash member is worth 44 or 45$ a peice to me.

bigdog · 07-10-2005, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by oil

in my opion REVS program don´t shave to much PPS do

a revshare sponsor with their own stats, can just shave your rebills

synapse · 07-10-2005, 04:48 PM

We're paying up to $50 per join or 50/50 revshare you decide

Mike_J · 07-10-2005, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by StuBradley

Spoken like someone with 7 posts. I did some research a few weeks ago on sites that I promoted from within the member's area of evalovescum.com. There were six very popular single girl (hardcore) sites that I promoted. All of these programs were revshare and all openly claimed that they retain their members for 5-6 months. Over a 6 month period I calculated that the average customer accross the board stayed at these sites for 1.21 months. The best site of the six kept members for a whopping 1.43 months.

The fact is that these sites (including Eva's) do bring back the same customers over and over again. However, people are staying for shorter periods of time per signup.

The reason is that there is just too much other shit out there to see. Why stay at one site for six months when you can download everything from a member's area in less than a week. So now the average customer signs up and cancels right away. He grabs and/or watches everything he wants in his 30 days and when that's up he moves on to another site. If he liked your site then five or six months later he will come back...and guess what, this time he knows the URL and bypasses the affiliate.

This is why people are moving to revshare. However, programs like mine will continue to make money with PPS because I get a shitload of type-in traffic from previous members.

Well guess you haven't promoted the right sites or there's a difference in the quality of traffic we have.

If you do thousands of sales a year with 7-8 EXCELLENT revshare sites and they make anywhere from $50-$60+ per sale average then it's pretty easy for me to decide where I send my traffic.

Don't get me wrong I do promote PPS too on general traffic but from my experience if you have targeted traffic you will do way better with a good revshare site

Btw, post count means shit, i'm in the adult biz since '99

Tom_PM · 07-10-2005, 04:52 PM

Probably simple good business sense. Share the risk, share the profit with revshare. PPS right off the bat is a huge risk I'd say for an unproven program.

Garou · 07-10-2005, 04:53 PM

revshare is ok if the site you promote is really great. Though i'd prefer pps anyways

Corleone · 07-10-2005, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tranza

What's the problem with revshare?

yep.. nothing wrong with it.. I love the rebills

VeriSexy · 07-10-2005, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by davidd

1. No money - Takes dollars to support PPS
2. No clue - Takes intelligence to make PPS work
3. No balls - Takes balls to put your money on the line (see #1)

Right, if sponsors were confident in their sites then they would have PPS option as well and left the webmaster decide which would make them the most money.

Persignup Qon · 07-10-2005, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by VeriSexy

Right, if sponsors were confident in their sites then they would have PPS option as well and left the webmaster decide which would make them the most money.

if you think all the programs that say they are paying 40/signup actually ARE then u really ARE a noob

- but even those that pay legitimately simply have a formula the know works with an arsenal of sites that attract a volume of traffic where the expense of PPS isn't a problem.

the only thing the affiliate should be deciding is what they should do with their traffic based on the type of traffic they have & how they feel it will perform with a particular site. often u r getting fucked on a PPS deal but you're happy cuz u like seeing "$30" for that 1 signup (even though u may have sent 3). you basically are saying you want the paysite owner to take all the risk & you take the money & run. no wonder so many programs DO shave

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CashLikeWhoa_Mike · 07-10-2005, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Persignup Qon

if you think all the programs that say they are paying 40/signup actually ARE then u really ARE a noob

- but even those that pay legitimately simply have a formula the know works with an arsenal of sites that attract a volume of traffic where the expense of PPS isn't a problem.

the only thing the affiliate should be deciding is what they should do with their traffic based on the type of traffic they have & how they feel it will perform with a particular site. often u r getting fucked on a PPS deal but you're happy cuz u like seeing "$30" for that 1 signup (even though u may have sent 3). you basically are saying you want the paysite owner to take all the risk & you take the money & run. no wonder so many programs DO shave

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he summed it all up

bigdog · 07-10-2005, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Persignup Qon

if you think all the programs that say they are paying 40/signup actually ARE then u really ARE a noob

- but even those that pay legitimately simply have a formula the know works with an arsenal of sites that attract a volume of traffic where the expense of PPS isn't a problem.

the only thing the affiliate should be deciding is what they should do with their traffic based on the type of traffic they have & how they feel it will perform with a particular site. often u r getting fucked on a PPS deal but you're happy cuz u like seeing "$30" for that 1 signup (even though u may have sent 3). you basically are saying you want the paysite owner to take all the risk & you take the money & run. no wonder so many programs DO shave

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even if they are shaving many guys still wind up making more with pps vs revshare

VeriSexy · 07-10-2005, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Persignup Qon

if you think all the programs that say they are paying 40/signup actually ARE then u really ARE a noob

- but even those that pay legitimately simply have a formula the know works with an arsenal of sites that attract a volume of traffic where the expense of PPS isn't a problem.

the only thing the affiliate should be deciding is what they should do with their traffic based on the type of traffic they have & how they feel it will perform with a particular site. often u r getting fucked on a PPS deal but you're happy cuz u like seeing "$30" for that 1 signup (even though u may have sent 3). you basically are saying you want the paysite owner to take all the risk & you take the money & run. no wonder so many programs DO shave

...

I have always made way more money with PPS and I think I remember some people getting caught shaving revshare.......

ULVideo · 07-10-2005, 08:38 PM

As someone who has a new program I can tell you that our recent experience is that it seems very few will trust a new program that is PPS. everyone wants to see you pay out for months first before they sign on. It seems easier with revshare to get webmasters to sign on. perhaps it's very differnt for prograqm that are older. I'll let you know when our new program gets there.

VeriSexy · 07-10-2005, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike_J

Well guess you haven't promoted the right sites or there's a difference in the quality of traffic we have.

If you do thousands of sales a year with 7-8 EXCELLENT revshare sites and they make anywhere from $50-$60+ per sale average then it's pretty easy for me to decide where I send my traffic.

Don't get me wrong I do promote PPS too on general traffic but from my experience if you have targeted traffic you will do way better with a good revshare site

Btw, post count means shit, i'm in the adult biz since '99

List some sites that customers keep rebilling to... Those sites are very hard to find now...............

I rather get paid up front and have the program owner worry about people rebilling......

Forkbeard · 07-10-2005, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mako

The bottom line is that if you're a pro, a true ace in the business, you don't WANT to offer revshare. You LOSE money that way as a sponsor. You WANT the affiliate to hem and haw about their immediate gratification PPS program, and miniscule $35 payout, because the sooner you pay their asses off for the join they send, at $35 or whatever, the better.

That's exactly how I feel about it from the flip side as an affiliate. I look high and low for quality sites that will hold their members, and then I want my share of the long term business. From day one in this business, I've considered PPS offers to be sucker plays.

Persignup Qon · 07-10-2005, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdog

even if they are shaving many guys still wind up making more with pps vs revshare

how would you know that if you are getting shaved?

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fris · 07-10-2005, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by synapse

We're paying up to $50 per join or 50/50 revshare you decide

do you h ave interracial cams, or i can link to interracial cams?

Mack · 07-10-2005, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by VeriSexy

List some sites that customers keep rebilling to... Those sites are very hard to find now...............

I rather get paid up front and have the program owner worry about people rebilling......

I could give you the song and dance, I'll spare us both. Our rebills for our affilaites are among the best in the history of the biz.

If your not promoting us, give us a try and see for yourself. And if youi need anything let me know.

PPS or Revshare at the end of the day people have trouble with rebills because their members area is void of quality content to satisfy a member. And they do not update nearly enough. When I promoted sites as a w/m full time I learned to look into members areas, and decide if I would be willing to shell out $$$$$$ to become and/or stay a member. If I looked into the site and did not see value for the $ I didn't promote it. I don't care if they were paying 80 per sign up. If a company will fuck a surfer, they will fuck you too, it's really that simple.

There are excellent PPS and Revshare programs, people just need to get back to doing their homework and not be so dependant of someone else telling them what is great, when in reality everyone wants the 5% ref bonus and could give a shit about YOUR traffic.

Most in our game can talk a good talk. Thats what we do, we are sales people. Take a look under the hood and decide for yourself.

venus · 07-10-2005, 10:58 PM

ya I wonder if the FTC freezing a few sites assets had anything to do with things

Rebills do tend to go down when your forced to be honest by the FTC

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Originally Posted by VeriSexy

I guess times have changed and people just don't rebill as much as they use to.
.......

datatank · 07-10-2005, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by venus

ya I wonder if the FTC freezing a few sites assets had anything to do with things

Rebills do tend to go down when your forced to be honest by the FTC

Who are you talking about?
I think its of general opinion rebills and trial to full activation has been dropping over the last few years..

webgurl · 07-10-2005, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike_J

Btw, post count means shit, i'm in the adult biz since '99

yep and u were even on GFY before him

I luv the guys who think postcounts mean shit

07-10-2005, 01:55 PM	#4
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07-10-2005, 02:12 PM	#7
Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,329	I'm with Rui. I probably wouldn't send traffic to a new PPS unless the person behind it had experience running a PPS. Even with a bankroll, running PPS takes skill and perfection. Look at what happened with XBangCash. __________________ Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted Windows VPS now available Great for TSS, Nifty Stats, remote work, virtual assistants, etc. Click here for more details.

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07-10-2005, 03:44 PM	#22
Mako Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The OC baby! Posts: 1,986	As Marc De, and TheDoc, and many many others have said, PPS absolutely works for sponsors, and is still very viable today in terms of profitability. The gold rush is not over, not by a long shot. Just have to be smarter to find the viens... Knowing this, if you're going to offer PPS out of the gate like "the old days" you'd better have all the details down to a science, your upsells/cross-sells absolutely bulletproof, your ability to monetize member emails down pat, and your fixed costs clearly accounted for. You'd also better have a nice war chest of funds to support you during the four or more months you're going to be upside down in terms of affiliate payouts versus recurring revenue. The bottom line is that if you're a pro, a true ace in the business, you don't WANT to offer revshare. You LOSE money that way as a sponsor. You WANT the affiliate to hem and haw about their immediate gratification PPS program, and miniscule $35 payout, because the sooner you pay their asses off for the join they send, at $35 or whatever, the better. Gets you clear to take care of YOUR business as a sponsor, by figuring out how you're not only going to recoup that $35, but how you're going to double it before the surfer quits the site in 1.2 months lol... __________________

07-10-2005, 04:01 PM	#27
Persignup Qon Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: HeLL Posts: 853	it's amazing how no one sees members as.... members anymore. i know several very successful paysites with small affiliate programs that do well without dicking over their customers. they are not interested in paying persignup because they want to be sure their customers actually WANT to pay & be rebilled. seems most of you see this is just cash & have lost (or never had) an idea of what you are really selling ___ __________________ OnProbation.com \| PerSignup.com - Now Paying PPS and RevShare! {{ Portfolio: TKME \| AC \| BGDINT \| ESP - More Here... }} If You Really Get Paid in Adult, You Should Be Getting Paid By Us!

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07-10-2005, 01:33 PM	#2
datatank Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: My dog is blacker than Tupac Posts: 5,471	Check out http://www.pornopushers.com/

07-10-2005, 01:59 PM	#5
Peaches Old broad Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Away Posts: 13,933	Financial support. It's a lot easier if you don't have much capital to start off with revshare.

07-10-2005, 02:10 PM	#6
Rui web Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: On icq: 85-483-060 Posts: 9,533	I actualy see new small sponsors offering PPS as a HUGE RED-FLAG, most that offer such didn't do their home work and thier maths are seriously flawed...

07-10-2005, 02:47 PM	#18
Mike_J Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 16	Never liked PPS, if you promote the right sites with revshare you'll earn way more then $35 per signup in the end

07-10-2005, 04:06 PM	#29
oil Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: RP4L Posts: 252	in my opion REVS program don´t shave to much PPS do

07-10-2005, 04:48 PM	#32
synapse NameNetwork.com Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,175	We're paying up to $50 per join or 50/50 revshare you decide

07-10-2005, 04:52 PM	#34
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	Probably simple good business sense. Share the risk, share the profit with revshare. PPS right off the bat is a huge risk I'd say for an unproven program. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

07-10-2005, 04:53 PM	#35
Garou Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 850	revshare is ok if the site you promote is really great. Though i'd prefer pps anyways

07-10-2005, 08:38 PM	#42
ULVideo Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New York Posts: 405	As someone who has a new program I can tell you that our recent experience is that it seems very few will trust a new program that is PPS. everyone wants to see you pay out for months first before they sign on. It seems easier with revshare to get webmasters to sign on. perhaps it's very differnt for prograqm that are older. I'll let you know when our new program gets there.