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Old 07-09-2005, 11:41 AM   #301
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300 good answers!!


congrats Choker AND Sleazy. Great thread with more info than most. Nice to see some good knowledge being thrown around for those smart enough to catch it.

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Old 07-09-2005, 12:49 PM   #302
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Very entertaining!

Pack a lunch before you start reading this thread
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Old 07-09-2005, 12:56 PM   #303
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Thanks choker for finally answering the "fake traffic" question.

I've been reading this damn thread and thought itl would "hit bottom" by the end - but ARGH! no...

Not done yet and i gotta say this is a marvel of marketting and interlinking - though damn there's lots of acrimony going on.

Thought porn was a bunch of happy horny hippy types... (hippy as in communally against the DoJ's Sauron)...

BTW Sleazy - nice meeting you you at WAE in Montreal this year. We had a couple good short informative exchanges (if you remember). I emailed cybercat to find out about a link exchange with one of my sites and Ambush. Let me know if that was the wrong/right place to go.

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Old 07-09-2005, 01:22 PM   #304
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Old 07-09-2005, 01:30 PM   #305
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obviously you know exactly what i do to combat cheaters these days, you're choker - you know everything!

yep i have NO way of checking my traffic and i work totally blind at all times. I'm a complete idiot. Obviously more than 9/10 of my traffic is fake. There's no way a site like mine could exist unless it's full of fake traffic.

it's much better to post exactly what I am doing and using to combat cheating like you do so cheaters know how to get around it isn't it.

I mean - that's the SMART approach.

instead of poking fun, why not explain what you DO do to combat the said problems? oh wait, that would mean you actually saying something semi-intelligent and answering a question directed at you and your business model
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Old 07-09-2005, 01:45 PM   #306
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Man, this is the 2nd best interview so far...
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Old 07-09-2005, 01:58 PM   #307
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Old 07-09-2005, 02:47 PM   #308
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instead of poking fun, why not explain what you DO do to combat the said problems? oh wait, that would mean you actually saying something semi-intelligent and answering a question directed at you and your business model
are you on crack. I do not, will not and have not discusses in detail what i do to combat cheaters and have said that many times. only an idiot would go public with that kind of info.

as far as you can be concerned, I do nothing, everyone cheats me- leave it at that.
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Old 07-09-2005, 02:50 PM   #309
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instead of poking fun, why not explain what you DO do to combat the said problems? oh wait, that would mean you actually saying something semi-intelligent and answering a question directed at you and your business model
That would be stupid. He'd be giving away a free meal ticket to anyone wanting to cheat him.

Would you expect the bank to tell you all of their fraud prevention techniques?
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Old 07-09-2005, 05:27 PM   #310
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Come on, there're still 4 questions left.

So far nice reading!
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Old 07-09-2005, 05:45 PM   #311
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Come on, there're still 4 questions left.

So far nice reading!
choker lives in florida.. he's probably running from a hurricane right about now
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Old 07-09-2005, 05:54 PM   #312
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choker lives in florida.. he's probably running from a hurricane right about now
That is no excuse to leave GFY waiting with bated breath!
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obviously you know exactly what i do to combat cheaters these days, you're choker - you know everything!

yep i have NO way of checking my traffic and i work totally blind at all times. I'm a complete idiot. Obviously more than 9/10 of my traffic is fake. There's no way a site like mine could exist unless it's full of fake traffic.

it's much better to post exactly what I am doing and using to combat cheating like you do so cheaters know how to get around it isn't it.

I mean - that's the SMART approach.

Was that DDOS or real traffic????

Improve your stats, bot yourself or well nevermind don't want to spread stupid ideas.
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Old 07-09-2005, 06:42 PM   #314
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Was that DDOS or real traffic????

Improve your stats, bot yourself or well nevermind don't want to spread stupid ideas.
dude i have 200 chinamen hired hitting refresh on my site all day long
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Old 07-09-2005, 06:46 PM   #315
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choker lives in florida.. he's probably running from a hurricane right about now
He's comforting "Smokey"...

DON'T WORRY BOY, IT WILL BE OK!!! *whimper**choken joins horse in fetal posistion....



Hope all you Floridians are ok, sucks to have to evac...
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Please brothers let's keep this one alive...

Y'all a bunch of Muppets :-)
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dude i have 200 chinamen hired hitting refresh on my site all day long
Come to think of it, that may not be a bad idea. Give them all aol accounts and other sites with known proxies..... you could get away a bit of that with out rasing a flag. Make sure your productivity on your trades is high too!

I bet more than a few have hired offshore labor to do "crap" like this.
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Old 07-10-2005, 03:27 AM   #318
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instead of poking fun, why not explain what you DO do to combat the said problems? oh wait, that would mean you actually saying something semi-intelligent and answering a question directed at you and your business model
wake up

we have human and automated fraud-detection at 2much. Would it be intelligent or stupid to mention all the flags our system uses to spot fraudsters? Come on, the answers and questions have been of an uncommonly honest level and short of the human reporting aspect there's nothing that can be said more about the traffic cheat issue.

That's what conventions are for - face to face secrets-exchange, out of the public eye...

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That's what conventions are for - face to face secrets-exchange, out of the public eye...

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tho that shit ain't so much out of the public eye (see my dancing banana)
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Old 07-10-2005, 04:01 AM   #321
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are you on crack. I do not, will not and have not discusses in detail what i do to combat cheaters and have said that many times. only an idiot would go public with that kind of info.

as far as you can be concerned, I do nothing, everyone cheats me- leave it at that.
fair enough...that makes sense...and I am not on crack, i was pretty drunk though
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29. What's your most sucessful program to date? Least successful. talk about everything you do today in online adult.

This question deserves a thread of it's own. Let me start by talking about some of the old stuff I did.

The original Gallery Spots program where I paid back TGP's traffic back to their sites to send to paid gallery spots was pure genius on my part. At it's height we were doing over 12 million hits to galleries a day. Cheaters and the fact that it was to much to control at one time is what shut it down. Funny thing is that now I have more galleries now (over 100k) and better galleries now (no pics on html) yet we are only at about 1.5 mill a day http://chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=1 but it is more profitable now than it was 2 years ago at 12 mill a day. Back then I simply did not have the scripts to handle the large volumes of traffic.

Back then the Gallery Spots system sent 24 hour uniques, now it sends 30 day uniques. Right now the price starts at 75 cents per k. Very soon I will be filtering out all of the non-english traffic from galleries and the price will increase to $1 per k. The payouts to the TGP's will also increase to 62.50 per k.

I must say the days of the original Gallery Spots was some of the best times online I had. Burger boy was constantly on me, Kimmy and that Russian thief Backoff had started thier own program, of course Backoff had stolen the idea from me, even made accounts and copied my scripts as best he could. Burger boy was bragging about how Spotbrokers would run circles around me within 6 months. Lots of awesome fights between me and others on GFY, remember the time Pimpdog thought I was sourcing his servers? LOL, that was good shit. Now I am friends with everyone except Burger Boy and Backoff who in the end showed his true colors. I am glad now that spotbrokers is owned by my very good friend Stu, we now work together a lot. Kimmy and I talk frequently, she even allows me a reach around when I see her every once in awhile LOL.
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29. What's your most sucessful program to date? Least successful. talk about everything you do today in online adult.

My least succesfull program to date is probably sponsorpromo. It was at the same time my most brilliant idea, just wrong time wrong place. Lots of programs I create never get out of beta. I usually follow my gut instinct rather than logic when deciding to go ahead on a project or not. I spend a lot of time pondering ideas and getting input from others on ideas before I implement them. I spend a lot of time being Mr Mom, transporting kids everywhere, so I think a lot about my ideas and run thru all the possibilites.

People ask me how do I do it all the time. I think what has made me survive all this time (4 years is a long time online, LOL) is my ability to think ahead and not hesitate a second to change a program in part or completely. If I feel a program is doomed I will not hesitate to send out messages that it will be canceled in 15 days. And I am always making changes and adjustments to every program. Lots of guys complain that they cannot keep up with the changes I make. That I change shit too much. Well the market changes fast online and you have to keep up with it. Every program I have ever had every webmaster has gotten paid out fully if it closed. If not then the money is still waiting on him to ask for.

2257 changes nuked a couple programs I had, and again everyone got paid out what was owed. Believe it or not I do not always analize stats of a program to see if it is loosing money or making money. I jsut go with my gut instinct usually.
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This ended up better then I thought it would !
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Lots of awesome fights between me and others on GFY, remember the time Pimpdog thought I was sourcing his servers? LOL, that was good shit.
Ahaha, I was the one who started that thread. It got me an X-Box.
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I find it funny how Choker and Sleazy argue. The bottom line is this is there traffic was crap no-one would buy it but people do showing that both of them have traffic that converts.
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30. What is your deepest darkest fear? Personal, business.

Well I already told you how scared I am of biting the bullet by someone elses hand. I guess my greatest personal fear is something bad happening to my kids. One of my kids has a genetic disorder, she has about 6 benign tumors in her body with 4 in her brain. One on her spine is growing and causing her a lot of pain. This worries me to no end.

My greatest business fear is this 2257 crap. Most people do not realize how easily this can fuck us all.
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Hahahaha, you fat boy. Yep believe it or not you were a example for me. I noticed your galleries every fucking where. I sent you a email asking how AFF does for you, trying to get advice. I had even went out of my way to signup for AFF under you so you could get credit. It was your galleries afterall that inspired me to sign up with them. Your email reply to me I will never forget the substance, though I have long forgotten the exact words, but I will try to reproduce them here............................


From Choker:
Hey, I noticed you use Adult Friendfinder a lot. I signed up under you and am going to promote them. I take it you do good with them?
Thanks, Choker


From Burger Boy:
Well consider yourself lucky as I RARELY reply to newbies. I do not have the time to waste with people just coming into the business. You guys just make it harder for us professionals.Thanks for signing up under me and yes I do real good with them. Please don't bother me anymore.



LOL, after getting this email from you I laughed and said to myself, "one day I will run circles around this asshole" Guess what burger boy? that day was years ago hahahahhaa

yep he blasted me too

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=245185

"woop do fucking do. nobody even cares enough about you to make a post for you about your birthday so you feel soo alone that you have to do it yourself.

don't eat all that birthday cake in one sitting"
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31. Why do you come to GFY? Who are your favorite posters and least favorite?

LOL, I come here to do business, have fun, and relieve stress. I really enjoy getting in pissing contest.

You Burger boy are my least favorite poster. The way you run to Lensman when someone owns you is pathetic. I truly enjoyed all those beast threads, the way so many people owned you at one time.

Favorite poster is myself. I spend countless hours laughing at my own posts. I also like Bradshaws post, that one titled sheep..blah was so funny, just the title cracked me up. I love the way he pushes buttons. Chico is funny also. Nocarrier because he makes great photo chops of you. Pimpdog because he is a master at herding sheep.

Least favorite? LOL, here we go. Juicy used to be funny but too much too often. Now he is nothing but annoying as fuck. He ruins so many threads by posting his babble. Enough is enough dude.

Arron M, this guy has some serious problems. Talk about a egomaniac. His content sucks and is so over priced it is not even funny. If it were not for GFY this guy would be nothing. Being the people watcher that I am, at conventions I see him all alone drinking looking like a sad kid. People walking by him smirk at him, till someone recognizes him as "Aaron M from GFY". This guy is a total joke. A legend in his own mind. LOL.

Cumsensei. This dude just rubs me wrong. Can't even get a tgp he has had for years and years over 20k a day. Then he posts everyday when he makes changes to it, as if anyone really cares. This in itself is not a bad thing, but when he makes posts after posts giving advice on how to make money in this biz, well that's sickening to me. Nothing wrong with being a security guard and part time webmaster, but when I was a cab driver and part time webmaster I did not try to act like a big shot and give everyone advice on how to make it online.

Baddog because all he does is come in threads to defend his daddy Sleazy. How does it feel being Burger boys bitch baddog? LOL

If I think of more posters that annoy me I will repost about them.
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Old 07-11-2005, 09:43 AM   #336
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Baddog because all he does is come in threads to defend his daddy Sleazy. How does it feel being Burger boys bitch baddog? LOL
Baddog prolly has 20 years on Sleazy Burger Boy, so he's just takin care of his kid??? Then there is the politics of the whole thing. Plus who knows what deals have been made?

Suspect many people think Sleazy is a real dipshit, but suckup cause its the business thing to do.

Some good in everyone! Hey, he started Ambush Interviews and even got you to participate. He's easy to own, even the noobs do it So nice having him around for the sport of it.

In the end I agree that he has gone to far with his crying to Lens and when all that stuff went on when you got banned (so wrong). Your sig is up as much to pissoff Sleazy as it is to compliment your programs. It might make a few $ too (see sig). I think it used to really piss him off yo see your banner in his threads and to be called Burger Boy. Now, he's used to it.

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yep he blasted me too

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=245185

"woop do fucking do. nobody even cares enough about you to make a post for you about your birthday so you feel soo alone that you have to do it yourself.

don't eat all that birthday cake in one sitting"
dude - seriously, let it go.


I'm starting to get worried that you're not all there anymore
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great read so far!
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Old 07-11-2005, 09:59 AM   #339
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Baddog prolly has 20 years on Sleazy Burger Boy, so he's just takin care of his kid??? Then there is the politics of the whole thing. Plus who knows what deals have been made?

Suspect many people think Sleazy is a real dipshit, but suckup cause its the business thing to do.

Some good in everyone! Hey, he started Ambush Interviews and even got you to participate. He's easy to own, even the noobs do it So nice having him around for the sport of it.

In the end I agree that he has gone to far with his crying to Lens and when all that stuff went on when you got banned (so wrong). Your sig is up as much to pissoff Sleazy as it is to compliment your programs. It might make a few $ too (see sig). I think it used to really piss him off yo see your banner in his threads and to be called Burger Boy. Now, he's used to it.

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Your sig is up as much to pissoff Sleazy as it is to compliment your programs. It might make a few $ too (see sig). I think it used to really piss him off yo see your banner in his threads and to be called Burger Boy. Now, he's used to it.
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does this mean you guys are kissing and making up ?
Not at all. I have a big fat surprise for Burger Boy in Miami, trust me it's real good. LOL
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If Choker is good to his word and don't choke I would say 100%

It's a great opportunity for him with HUGE exposure.
LOL, I am surprised you took Burger Boys dick out of your mouth long enough to make a post. So you two made it official by you moving in with him eh? Does Canada allow same sex marriages? Nancy boy. hahahaha
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I've been saying it for 7.5 years. Considering our age difference, I'd say I meet the handicap for the course.

You've got your quality based brand marketers: Karups, ATK (my most recent alma mater), Scoreland (my very close friend and much admired big bad billiards man David Uwate), Shap (no introduction needed), FarL (Homegrown), MET Art, Hegre, FTV, Simon Scans, Abby Winters, Explicite, etc, etc, etc......

vs.

Your QUANTITY based marketers: Xpics (the oldskool I graduated from along with Shap and even AlienQ... where we learned right from wrong very explicitly), Click Cash (which I still make an ASSLOAD of money with... sorry CAMS.COM), CE (another skool I attended - my hat still goes off to Ron. Regardless of what the haters say, this is one of the most intelligent men in this industry), MAX Cash, TCG, etc, etc, etc...

In the end it's a wash. One marketing strategy is no more profitable than the other, However, given my personal experience, I tend to stick with quality over the quantity because there is a greater chance of longevity based on factors such as consumer satisfaction, personal referrals, loyalty, and brand preference.

But to each their own. The industry is certainly as open to both schools of thought as it ever has been.


All I want to know is this: When is Shap and Choker gonna GET IT ON!!!!!!!

Thank you!

Honored for a nod in such a chunky good thread!
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Old 07-11-2005, 10:42 AM   #344
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thank you.


people might think choker got one better on me in his comment - but in reality I feel honored i gave him the inspiration to get off his ass.

i treat everyone equal - you're all inferrior to me
LOL, "inspired me". Whatever you say. Maybe you are right to a degree. Tell me I will fail and that makes me want to succeed even more to prove you wrong. Don't flatter yourself by thinking that you "motivated" me or was a inspiration to me.
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Sorry to miss this I will be out of town with the kids that weekend
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ummm, doesn't basing trades on productivity lean you stronger towards deeper hitbots?


woops - i wasn't supposed to say that outloud
Stupid fuck. This shows how very little you know about scripts or hitbots. Go analize your Webalizer stats and come back when you get a clue.
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I thought I was going to piss my pants with the boat story. Pure fucking comedy

Respect for doing the whole interview
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LOL, I am surprised you took Burger Boys dick out of your mouth long enough to make a post. So you two made it official by you moving in with him eh? Does Canada allow same sex marriages? Nancy boy. hahahaha
ROFLMAO... Choker do I knwo you. Have we even EVER chatted ?

Nope we have not.

Why in the Hell you bring me into your messy life I don't know. Guess you need more people to point your fingers at

Reading your interview gave me a good perspective of you... Well until now.

BTW Sleazy is not as shallow as you. I have a beer gut and he still loves me.

How is it to sleep alone at night ?
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Don't you mean you have Ramon noodles boiling? Looser hahahaha
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great interview, one of the only ones i read till the end
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