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Old 07-08-2005, 08:03 AM   #1
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G-8 Leaders Agree on $50B in African Aid

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/g8;_ylt=A...IyBHNlYwMxNjk2

Great news to see the world also spending money on the reverse of terrorism.

Sadly, Bush still has a thorn up his ass about Kyoto, which even if all countries agree to we'll end up dead within 200 years anyway; or wearing gas masks to go outside.

Anyone know what you'd take in school to be educated on all of these things? I can't imagine politics... when I had a politics course in university it had nothing to do with this.. I want to learn the structure of the G-8 and of other organizations and how they're currently setup, etc.. Anyone know what 'specialty' that would be?

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great news?

we've given them over 500 billion.

50 years of aid hasnt helped africa.

a concert wont, nor will another 50 billion.

side stepping the issues and playiong the "i donated now i dont have to feel guilty" shit doesntr work.

address the issues not donate
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also US gives africa over 3 billion PER YEAR. just like we do israel.

the difference is, theres a lot more people in africa.

we donate over $400 buck per israeli to israel, just in "economic" funding, not counting military.
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And you know what, 20 years from now nothing will be changed.

African mothers with aids still will get 10 babies of which 9 die.

The father will still buy guns with the little money he has.

And they still will walk 10 miles a day for some water.

50 billion my ass.

I wonder how much of that will actually end up somewhere good. Other than in big companies and wrong hands.
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Old 07-08-2005, 08:18 AM   #5
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Money has to be combined with education and the literal flushing of the corrupt leaders out of power.

I liken this to giving money to a junkie on the street to "set themselves straight". You know where that money would go.
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they just say we give money but in fact they dont a give a shit to africa

they just send virus and guns
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Old 07-08-2005, 08:27 AM   #8
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great news! who actually spends the money though??

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Old 07-08-2005, 08:36 AM   #9
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of course, spending nearly 400 billion a year on military is a better cause.
any help to africa is a good deed. consider yourself fortunate you're not in their shoes, but looking like you're above it all is plain wrong.
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of course, spending nearly 400 billion a year on military is a better cause.
any help to africa is a good deed. consider yourself fortunate you're not in their shoes, but looking like you're above it all is plain wrong.

Maybe you have never heard the old "teach a man to fish story".

We are rich because people are poor. If nobody was poor , we would cease to be rich.
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God damn assholes. Bush is giving away more of my damn money.
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Maybe you have never heard the old "teach a man to fish story".

We are rich because people are poor. If nobody was poor , we would cease to be rich.


Rich? I saw a guy on the street corner that needs some money.
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nelson mandela, who we can all agree is an expert on africa, said it best...poverty is man made...we can stop it...the g8 and terrorism are very connected issues, you think the guys in iraq and palestine would be strapping on bombs when they could be strapping on backpacks to go to school? eliminate poverty in iraq, palestine, and everywhere else, you will see world peace. we should all have a piece of land big enough to grow crops and raise livestock if property were divided equally, and there would be no reason for war. thats my two cents, probably take ww3 for that change to come about.
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al qaeda members are usually well off, islamic extremists. religion needs to be illegal if it in anyway preaches hate or hurts other people.
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the money will not be spent on :food-smil
it will go to buy warlords in shithole republics more
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are they just going to send money? or are they going to do other things like, oh say stop the genocide in daphur?
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the money will not be spent on :food-smil
it will go to buy warlords in shithole republics more

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Money has to be combined with education and the literal flushing of the corrupt leaders out of power.

I liken this to giving money to a junkie on the street to "set themselves straight". You know where that money would go.
Exactly, which is what their concerns were, adn what they plan to lookout for.

If it's found that a government is misusing the funds, I'm sure at minimal all the G-8 countries will give military towards removing the corrupt government; or tell them to smarten the fuck up and fast.

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Old 07-08-2005, 09:13 AM   #19
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Maybe you have never heard the old "teach a man to fish story".

We are rich because people are poor. If nobody was poor , we would cease to be rich.
We still can all live healthy and great lives; money is simply bartering of services.

There honestly needs to be a full re-structuring of everything. It will be done in the next 50 years.

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nelson mandela, who we can all agree is an expert on africa, said it best...poverty is man made...we can stop it...the g8 and terrorism are very connected issues, you think the guys in iraq and palestine would be strapping on bombs when they could be strapping on backpacks to go to school? eliminate poverty in iraq, palestine, and everywhere else, you will see world peace. we should all have a piece of land big enough to grow crops and raise livestock if property were divided equally, and there would be no reason for war. thats my two cents, probably take ww3 for that change to come about.
WW3 vs. the US / Bush; he's really the only way refusing to ever not being greedy / hogging money; of course of the US' economy which is in a pretty bad situation with them putting so many resources into Iraq; which they have to have troops there probably for another 10 years, and watch them closely for the following lifetime... though they'll have enough US companies profiting in Iraq that they won't really care. *vomits*

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also US gives africa over 3 billion PER YEAR. just like we do israel.

the difference is, theres a lot more people in africa.

we donate over $400 buck per israeli to israel, just in "economic" funding, not counting military.
"also US gives africa over 3 billion PER YEAR. just like we do israel."

You spend $1.3 billion (borrowing money) PER DAY to be in Iraq.

So... 2 1/2 days worth of spending to be in Iraq, and comparing that to giving $3 billion every 365 days to Africa? Okay..

The US and Israel situation is messed up because it's simply fueled by Bush / US government not liking what's his name..
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"also US gives africa over 3 billion PER YEAR. just like we do israel."

You spend $1.3 billion (borrowing money) PER DAY to be in Iraq.

So... 2 1/2 days worth of spending to be in Iraq, and comparing that to giving $3 billion every 365 days to Africa? Okay..

The US and Israel situation is messed up because it's simply fueled by Bush / US government not liking what's his name..
i was just stating how much money is being given away for useless reasons

i agree with you accept the American/Israel thing has been going on much longer than that

you act as if i was arguing qith you and i support the iraq war. two incorrect ASSumptions
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great news?

we've given them over 500 billion.

50 years of aid hasnt helped africa.

a concert wont, nor will another 50 billion.

side stepping the issues and playiong the "i donated now i dont have to feel guilty" shit doesntr work.

address the issues not donate
And yes, I fully FULLY agree with you Fletch.

Sadly, at the moment, there's not really any FULL world unity to focus and create agencies and structures to address the issues fully; much more 'money' / resources / people's time / services are required to figure out everything.

And the greedy (comparitively % wise, not money figures wise because the size of your economy could be so big because the country is so greedy) need to be stepped infront of by the rest of the world to smarten up; though perhaps a party who's sympathetic, even empathetic will come into power in those greedy economies and simply change and make things work.

That would be a happy day.

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i was just stating how much money is being given away for useless reasons

i agree with you accept the American/Israel thing has been going on much longer than that

you act as if i was arguing qith you and i support the iraq war. two incorrect ASSumptions
Heh. No no, just read my last reply.. I wasn't really sure what your view point was after your first response, because the following were different.

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"also US gives africa over 3 billion PER YEAR. just like we do israel."

You spend $1.3 billion (borrowing money) PER DAY to be in Iraq.

So... 2 1/2 days worth of spending to be in Iraq, and comparing that to giving $3 billion every 365 days to Africa? Okay..

The US and Israel situation is messed up because it's simply fueled by Bush / US government not liking what's his name..
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You act like Africa is the US's stepchild. Why don't you send all your money to Africa? Surely they can use it more than you.
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Heh. No no, just read my last reply.. I wasn't really sure what your view point was after your first response, because the following were different.

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because i was just dropping in some quick facts to spawn the argument.

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You act like Africa is the US's stepchild. Why don't you send all your money to Africa? Surely they can use it more than you.
I have plans to eventually give most of my money away, and do much more than that.

Pointless comment eitherway.

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because i was just dropping in some quick facts to spawn the argument.

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Islam doesn't teach hate, it is actually a peaceful religion. There are just some extremists who are totally mental and some people like the Palestinians who have been reduced to take deperate measures.
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Unless there are some coming political upheavels in Africa, this is a waste of money. The corrupt leaders will just line their pockets as their people starve.
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Unless there are some coming political upheavels in Africa, this is a waste of money. The corrupt leaders will just line their pockets as their people starve.
I think that will be heavily watched / monitored.

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I don't know much about the situation in Africa but it seems they lack any real infrastructure. They don't produce/manufacture anything (that I'm aware of), companies don't outsource labor there except to export natural resources like diamonds, there is no trade between Africa and other nations, a heavily illiterate population (?), the Governments are corrupt.

This may all change and maybe this is the first step but I don't think we'll see anything change in our lifetime. I hope I'm wrong.
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200 years from now Africa will still be a shit hole with probably 1.5 billion blacks eating 1 meal a day. They breed and breed and thats all they do. For instance Nigeria a little sand trap with a whole bunch of oil would be a rich country if they had 2-5 million people but they have 72 million people WTF and 95% of those only get 1 shitting meal a day.

Giving them 50 billion or 5000 billion won't change shit they will keep breeding until they are poor again.
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