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  • Mako
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    • Jul 2004
    • 1986
    #1

    Cross-sales on join pages: To Pre-Check or not Pre-Check...

    Just did an informal survey of various join pages and found the following results:

    ARS: Currently pre-checks a single cross-sell ($1.95 trial/$39.95 rebill).

    Top Bucks: Currently pre-checks two different cross-sells (Both $1.00 trials, but two different rebill rates: $29.95 and $39.84l).

    Nasty Dollars: Currently pre-checks a single cross-sell ($1.95 trial/$26.91 rebill).

    Reality Cash: Currently pre-checks a single cross-sell ($1.00 trial/$19.80 rebill).

    Perfect Gonzo: Currently pre-checks a single cross-sell ($1.00 trial/$29.95 rebill).

    Bang Bros: Currently pre-checks a single cross-sell ($1.95 trial/$26.91 rebill).

    I was surprised a bit as I expected there to be fewer pre-checked cross-sells based on typical GFY banter each day about charge backs etc. Looks like it's become pretty standard at the majors. All of the above use Paycom btw.

    If it's so widespread at the top, why are the smaller mom & pop webmasters afraid to adopt it?
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    • bigdog
      Confirmed User
      • Jul 2001
      • 6964
      #2
      well if you notice a pattern that everyone who is rich is using cross sells. Smaller programs rather kiss the surfers ass then make money plus you are not going to have happy affilates if you are a revshare program with cross sells
      Last edited by bigdog; 07-07-2005, 01:53 AM.

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        • bigdog
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          • Jul 2001
          • 6964
          #3
          bump de bump

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            • Dalai lama
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              • Jul 2004
              • 16540
              #4
              I ussualy sell the lower $ trials. And they work out just fine.

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                • Dalai lama
                  Strength and Honor
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 16540
                  #5
                  Originally posted by bigdog
                  well if you notice a pattern that everyone who is rich is using cross sells. Smaller programs rather kiss the surfers ass then make money plus you are not going to have happy affilates if you are a revshare program with cross sells
                  Higher % for cross sales

                  A program you can trust.
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                    • Dalai lama
                      Strength and Honor
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 16540
                      #6
                      BTW. What does these sponsors payout per cross sale?

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                        • 3piece chicken Dinner
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                          • Jan 2005
                          • 1065
                          #7
                          Eh. alot have the cross sale. The one that makes me scratch my head is the prechecked cross sale a site that is on the " join now and get all insert number sites for free list" I don't understand why/how paycom can allow this.

                          I've seen an " All access" site with a prechecked cross sale to itself as recently as 10 minutes ago


                          Guess thats the way to get the ol bank roll phat and quick.
                          "We are told to let our light shine, and if it does, we won't need to tell anybody it does. Lighthouses don't fire cannons to call attention to their shining- they just shine."

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                            • SteveLightspeed
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                              • Jul 2001
                              • 7940
                              #8
                              Check the newbie dictionary for "prechecked cross sell"
                              Last edited by SteveLightspeed; 07-31-2005, 03:10 PM.
                              Abra-cadabra!

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                                • 3piece chicken Dinner
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                                  • Jan 2005
                                  • 1065
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by 3piece chicken Dinner
                                  Eh. alot have the cross sale. The one that makes me scratch my head is the prechecked cross sale a site that is on the " join now and get all insert number sites for free list" I don't understand why/how paycom can allow this.

                                  I've seen an " All access" site with a prechecked cross sale to itself as recently as 10 minutes ago


                                  Guess thats the way to get the ol bank roll phat and quick.

                                  Just realized I didn't answer the question. Pre-check for a while and try it without. nothing has to be final.
                                  "We are told to let our light shine, and if it does, we won't need to tell anybody it does. Lighthouses don't fire cannons to call attention to their shining- they just shine."

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                                    • Paparazzi
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                                      • Mar 2002
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                                      #10
                                      check sic cash

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                                        • venus
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                                          • Jan 2003
                                          • 3112
                                          #11
                                          lots of things used to be wide spread at the "top", a few years ago there were some bigger sites then you listed, I think the FTC judgement against them kinda cut into some of their profits. If it does not seem legit its probably not. I think prechecking additional memberships may have been on the judgement against those other sites a few years ago, not positive, but I think it was.

                                          You can try anything you want, just make sure your not wrong or can handle the consequences that will eventually come down.

                                          Originally posted by Mako
                                          If it's so widespread at the top, why are the smaller mom & pop webmasters afraid to adopt it?
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                                            • RogerV
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                                              • Jul 2002
                                              • 12591
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by Mako
                                              Just did an informal survey of various join pages and found the following results:

                                              ARS: Currently pre-checks a single cross-sell ($1.95 trial/$39.95 rebill).

                                              Top Bucks: Currently pre-checks two different cross-sells (Both $1.00 trials, but two different rebill rates: $29.95 and $39.84l).

                                              Nasty Dollars: Currently pre-checks a single cross-sell ($1.95 trial/$26.91 rebill).

                                              Reality Cash: Currently pre-checks a single cross-sell ($1.00 trial/$19.80 rebill).

                                              Perfect Gonzo: Currently pre-checks a single cross-sell ($1.00 trial/$29.95 rebill).

                                              Bang Bros: Currently pre-checks a single cross-sell ($1.95 trial/$26.91 rebill).

                                              I was surprised a bit as I expected there to be fewer pre-checked cross-sells based on typical GFY banter each day about charge backs etc. Looks like it's become pretty standard at the majors. All of the above use Paycom btw.

                                              If it's so widespread at the top, why are the smaller mom & pop webmasters afraid to adopt it?
                                              Hell yea baby they know what they are doing thats why

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                                                • RogerV
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                                                  • Jul 2002
                                                  • 12591
                                                  #13
                                                  I'm paying $18 per cross sale for 12pornosites 50% will leave it checked hit me up for more info

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                                                    • BVF
                                                      Black Vagina Finder
                                                      • Jan 2002
                                                      • 13975
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by bigdog
                                                      well if you notice a pattern that everyone who is rich is using cross sells. Smaller programs rather kiss the surfers ass then make money plus you are not going to have happy affilates if you are a revshare program with cross sells
                                                      And this statement hereby ends this thread....Nothing more can be said.

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                                                        • Mako
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                                                          • Jul 2004
                                                          • 1986
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by venus
                                                          lots of things used to be wide spread at the "top", a few years ago there were some bigger sites then you listed, I think the FTC judgement against them kinda cut into some of their profits. If it does not seem legit its probably not. I think prechecking additional memberships may have been on the judgement against those other sites a few years ago, not positive, but I think it was.

                                                          You can try anything you want, just make sure your not wrong or can handle the consequences that will eventually come down.
                                                          It's all about transaction counts. If you're doing enough valid non-chargeback type transactions each day (i.e. cheap paid trials) then you can absorb just about anything and still not hit the magic 1% level. Which is why the biggies listed here can do it without a problem. Hell Top Bucks even has two pre-checked at the moment, some poor sons a bitches get dinged with a nice $100 rebill after the 3-Day trials recur I'd imagine...yeah that's good for the industry.

                                                          Since I started this thread I've been playing with cross-sells being pre-checked and the only surfers who are leaving them in place are non-English speaking. I'm going to assume it's because they probably don't know to un-check them, which brings up an entirely different ethical discussion...

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                                                            • Mako
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                                                              • Jul 2004
                                                              • 1986
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by RogerV
                                                              Hell yea baby they know what they are doing thats why
                                                              I didn't check you guys Rog, what is PP doing at the moment on them?

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                                                                • SteveLightspeed
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                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                  • 7940
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Making a full sale = getting laid
                                                                  Upsell = You get to use the poop chute too
                                                                  Getting a cross sell = she lets your friend fuck her too, now he owes you a 3some with his chick
                                                                  One-click crosssell = introducing her to your friend, while she's naked in your bed, before she cums
                                                                  Prechecked cross sell = all your friends fuck her after she passes out
                                                                  Double prechecked cross sell = then they pee on her too
                                                                  Abra-cadabra!

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                                                                    • venus
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                                                                      • Jan 2003
                                                                      • 3112
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Actually its all about deceptive practices. If you deceive people or your intent is to deceive which an argument can be made that prechecking a box is deceptive, because it could be left unchecked and if you wanted it then it checked.
                                                                      here is some good reading into what the FTC saw as deceptive practices because of complaints.
                                                                      http://www.ftc.gov/os/2000/10/rjbtelcomcomplaint.htm
                                                                      and some more indepth
                                                                      http://www.lukeford.com/subjects/content/RJBTelcom.htm

                                                                      I know most of you were all noobs in 1999-2000 or were not even on the scene yet, but if it looks deceptive it probably is.


                                                                      Originally posted by Mako
                                                                      It's all about transaction counts. If you're doing enough valid non-chargeback type transactions each day (i.e. cheap paid trials) then you can absorb just about anything and still not hit the magic 1% level..
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                                                                        • RogerV
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                                                                          • Jul 2002
                                                                          • 12591
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by Mako
                                                                          I didn't check you guys Rog, what is PP doing at the moment on them?
                                                                          Click here to signup for a 1 day trial Membership to 12 Porno Sites - One Day Trial Membership for $1.00. After 1 day, Membership renews automatically at $22.00 every 1 month.

                                                                          look at how ours reads

                                                                          Sounds much better than a name of a site LOL

                                                                          If anyone copies me I'm sure they will LOL
                                                                          Last edited by RogerV; 07-31-2005, 04:10 PM.

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                                                                            • Adulter
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                                                                              • Feb 2003
                                                                              • 1252
                                                                              #20
                                                                              I think it all depends on your chargeback ratio... bigger companies have less chargebacks % therefore they can go pre-checked... just imho
                                                                              Last edited by Adulter; 07-31-2005, 04:11 PM.

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                                                                                • Mako
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                                                                                  • Jul 2004
                                                                                  • 1986
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  LOL Steve, wth...

                                                                                  Roger: Best text I've seen by far.

                                                                                  Venus: No question.

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                                                                                    • venus
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                                                                                      • Jan 2003
                                                                                      • 3112
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      here is the settlement
                                                                                      http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2001/09/rjb1.htm

                                                                                      note the part which could easily be applied to prechecked sales:

                                                                                      " The settlement permanently bars the defendants from billing consumers without their express, verifiable authorization; "
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                                                                                        • SteveLightspeed
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                                                                                          • 7940
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by RogerV
                                                                                          Click here to signup for a 1 day trial Membership to 12 Porno Sites - One Day Trial Membership for $1.00. After 1 day, Membership renews automatically at $22.00 every 1 month.

                                                                                          look at how ours reads
                                                                                          someone that doesn't read english sees this:

                                                                                          Rewwd fdds ds sdfaff ssd b 1 wes turko Slemebpsji og 12 swert niuty - Rop Wes Turko Slemebpsji ssd $1.00. mdere 1 wes, Slemebpsji piunts furpnwttpsd sp $22.00 lingo 1 wests.

                                                                                          Isn't a prechecked crosssell like finding out that, because you bought a hamburger, McDonalds also put McNuggets at the bottom of your bag and then charged you for it when you didn't request them to remove it before you left the counter?
                                                                                          Abra-cadabra!

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                                                                                            • Mako
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                                                                                              • Jul 2004
                                                                                              • 1986
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by Lightspeed
                                                                                              Isn't a prechecked crosssell like finding out that, because you bought a hamburger, McDonalds also put McNuggets at the bottom of your bag and then charged you for it when you didn't request them to remove it before you left the counter?
                                                                                              That's a good analogy, and the same point Venus is making, using the FTC's language to illustrate it.

                                                                                              As to it being something that is actively pursued, as mailers are per se, with fines and punishment, versus just not being allowed any longer at some point, is the real question (barring ethical repercussions).

                                                                                              It might be a case where sponsors are figuring "Well it won't last forever. So I'm making hay while the sun shines" assuming that eventually CC processors simply won't allow it. It's pretty clear they don't fear any sort of active reprisal by the FTC over it as they do mailers.

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                                                                                                • venus
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                                                                                                  • Jan 2003
                                                                                                  • 3112
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  People dont fear something untill it happens.
                                                                                                  You ever watch cops ... see the bad guy getting busted, crying their ass off and saying they are sorry, dont take me to jail ... crying like little bitches.


                                                                                                  Originally posted by Mako
                                                                                                  It's pretty clear they don't fear any sort of active reprisal by the FTC over it as they do mailers.
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                                                                                                    • Theo
                                                                                                      HAL 9000
                                                                                                      • May 2001
                                                                                                      • 34515
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      venus, if cross sales were considered deceiving by the FTC they wouldn't be available since long time ago. The rjb case was different:

                                                                                                      "In October 2000, the FTC filed suit in U.S. District Court in Phoenix, Arizona alleging that RJB Telecom and its principals, Robert and Richard Botto, operated adult web sites that provided viewers a free "teaser" visit and allowed the option of paying by credit cards or telephone bills for membership. According to the FTC, large numbers of consumers complained that they were billed for access to the web sites without their authorization, and in many instances, had never accessed the web sites at all. "

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                                                                                                        • Quickdraw
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                                                                                                          • Mar 2004
                                                                                                          • 1717
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by RogerV
                                                                                                          Click here to signup for a 1 day trial Membership to 12 Porno Sites - One Day Trial Membership for $1.00. After 1 day, Membership renews automatically at $22.00 every 1 month.

                                                                                                          look at how ours reads

                                                                                                          Sounds much better than a name of a site LOL

                                                                                                          If anyone copies me I'm sure they will LOL
                                                                                                          Are these the same 12 sites you promise for free on the tour(s)?
                                                                                                          Join now and receive 12 sites at no additional charge!
                                                                                                          Just checking.

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                                                                                                            • venus
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                                                                                                              • Jan 2003
                                                                                                              • 3112
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              you can read it anyway you want it, prechecked sales are deceiving, people using themn know they are. I personally will not use them but your more then welcome.
                                                                                                              you know back in 2000 people said the same thing about dialers - untill this case came down.

                                                                                                              Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
                                                                                                              venus, if cross sales were considered deceiving by the FTC they wouldn't be available since long time ago. The rjb case was different:
                                                                                                              "
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                                                                                                                • Matt_WildCash
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                                                                                                                  • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                  • 1699
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  We have 2 prechecked crosses and it doesn't effect sales 1 bit from our experience 80-85% just uncheck it anyways. Plus its doesn't increase chargebacks we are at 0.20% chargeback ratio right now with 2 prechecked crosses. :-)

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                                                                                                                    • 3piece chicken Dinner
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                                                                                                                      • Jan 2005
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                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by RogerV
                                                                                                                      Click here to signup for a 1 day trial Membership to 12 Porno Sites - One Day Trial Membership for $1.00. After 1 day, Membership renews automatically at $22.00 every 1 month.

                                                                                                                      look at how ours reads

                                                                                                                      Sounds much better than a name of a site LOL

                                                                                                                      If anyone copies me I'm sure they will LOL

                                                                                                                      Is there a difference between 12pornosites and the Dirty dozen that the member gets for free when they join one of your sites?? The titles look the same. ...... I could be wrong thats why I am asking.
                                                                                                                      "We are told to let our light shine, and if it does, we won't need to tell anybody it does. Lighthouses don't fire cannons to call attention to their shining- they just shine."

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                                                                                                                        • bigdog
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                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Matt_WC
                                                                                                                          We have 2 prechecked crosses and it doesn't effect sales 1 bit from our experience 80-85% just uncheck it anyways. Plus its doesn't increase chargebacks we are at 0.20% chargeback ratio right now with 2 prechecked crosses. :-)
                                                                                                                          the 15% that leave it checked adds up

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                                                                                                                            • Quickdraw
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                                                                                                                              • Mar 2004
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                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by 3piece chicken Dinner
                                                                                                                              Is there a difference between 12pornosites and the Dirty dozen that the member gets for free when they join one of your sites?? The titles look the same. ...... I could be wrong thats why I am asking.
                                                                                                                              I would like to know this too.

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                                                                                                                                • RogerV
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                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                  • 12591
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Lightspeed
                                                                                                                                  someone that doesn't read english sees this:

                                                                                                                                  Rewwd fdds ds sdfaff ssd b 1 wes turko Slemebpsji og 12 swert niuty - Rop Wes Turko Slemebpsji ssd $1.00. mdere 1 wes, Slemebpsji piunts furpnwttpsd sp $22.00 lingo 1 wests.

                                                                                                                                  Isn't a prechecked crosssell like finding out that, because you bought a hamburger, McDonalds also put McNuggets at the bottom of your bag and then charged you for it when you didn't request them to remove it before you left the counter?
                                                                                                                                  what's worse is when i bought my hamburger and drove off to find out they forgot to give me my ketchup, straw and napkins to save a few bucks even after they got me to super size.

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                                                                                                                                    • RogerV
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                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                      • 12591
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by 3piece chicken Dinner
                                                                                                                                      Is there a difference between 12pornosites and the Dirty dozen that the member gets for free when they join one of your sites?? The titles look the same. ...... I could be wrong thats why I am asking.
                                                                                                                                      It's not the same. 12pornosites has its own members section

                                                                                                                                      the dirty dozen has access into each members section of all the sites

                                                                                                                                      hope this makes sense

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                                                                                                                                        • RogerV
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                                                                                                                                          • 12591
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Wether I agree or dissagree with cross sales I have to do whatever it takes to keep up with the market and webmaster demands. its just business

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                                                                                                                                            • OldSchoolJim
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                                                                                                                                              • Nov 2004
                                                                                                                                              • 3117
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              If it's so widespread at the top, why are the smaller mom & pop webmasters afraid to adopt it?
                                                                                                                                              You have to get "permission" from paycom to even HAVE a pre-checked cross....

                                                                                                                                              If you do not do enough biz...they won't even let you do it....

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                                                                                                                                                • Easton
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                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Lightspeed
                                                                                                                                                  Making a full sale = getting laid
                                                                                                                                                  Upsell = You get to use the poop chute too
                                                                                                                                                  Getting a cross sell = she lets your friend fuck her too, now he owes you a 3some with his chick
                                                                                                                                                  One-click crosssell = introducing her to your friend, while she's naked in your bed, before she cums
                                                                                                                                                  Prechecked cross sell = all your friends fuck her after she passes out
                                                                                                                                                  Double prechecked cross sell = then they pee on her too
                                                                                                                                                  ROTFLMFAO, great analogy Steve
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                                                                                                                                                    • 3piece chicken Dinner
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                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by RogerV
                                                                                                                                                      It's not the same. 12pornosites has its own members section

                                                                                                                                                      the dirty dozen has access into each members section of all the sites

                                                                                                                                                      hope this makes sense

                                                                                                                                                      Perfect sense, that's why I asked.

                                                                                                                                                      Thanks RogerV
                                                                                                                                                      "We are told to let our light shine, and if it does, we won't need to tell anybody it does. Lighthouses don't fire cannons to call attention to their shining- they just shine."

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                                                                                                                                                        • Bugbee
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                                                                                                                                                          I BUY X SALES, I WILL PRE PAY AT $18 PER HIT ME UP ASAP!!
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                                                                                                                                                            • bigdog
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                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              perfectgonzo cross sells to themselves i assume the join is worth more to them like that

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