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mardigras 07-02-2005 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by escorpio
Why is Live8 not putting any political pressure on African leaders to improve Africa?

That was the whole purpose of today's concerts. Read before you spout.

escorpio 07-02-2005 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mardigras
That was the whole purpose of today's concerts. Read before you spout.

Sorry, but all I have seen is geo-political experts (aka rockstars) blaming Bush and Blair and how it would only take eight signatures (none of them African) to wipe out poverty.

mardigras 07-02-2005 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cambaby
Just stop whining and donate more to individual organizations that actually GET results in Africa. http://www.thehungersite.com/

You know nothing of where my charitable monies go to, but thanks for playing :thumbsup

xxxdesign-net 07-02-2005 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by cambaby
Pressure? Dude even if the G8 concedes billions of dollars in debt relief it will NOT HELP THE AFRICANS THAT NEED HELP. It will only reinforce the current power nodes in African leadership and elites. Christ how naive(or dare I say YOUNG are some of you?)


ok yeah.. you have it all figured out.. the G8 goverments are a bunch of idiots that make the same mistakes over and over again... Maybe you should be their special adviser..? Its NOT only about erasing the debt but also imposing their conditions... Dont worry too much dude.. people a bit more qualified than you will take care of that... :2 cents:

WarChild 07-02-2005 05:03 PM

The problem in Africa will be solved when HIV wipes the continent clean of the native population. Donating money won't stop it.

cargawar 07-02-2005 05:04 PM

foliticians....

I was shocked by that starving kid picture...I wonder how many bottles of champagne are being consumed at the VIP-afterparties at this moment...

mardigras 07-02-2005 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by escorpio
Sorry, but all I have seen is geo-political experts (aka rockstars) blaming Bush and Blair and how it would only take eight signatures (none of them African) to wipe out poverty.

8 of the world's biggest leaders putting pressure on a country who's government has raped it's people for decades will likely do litttle to help; I agree with you on that point, but where did you ever read thaat I blame Bush and Blair for it?

xxxdesign-net 07-02-2005 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild
The problem in Africa will be solved when HIV wipes the continent clean of the native population. Donating money won't stop it.


Idiot of the year :thumbsup

mardigras 07-02-2005 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild
The problem in Africa will be solved when HIV wipes the continent clean of the native population. Donating money won't stop it.

What are you talking about? AIDS only wipes out the homos and other people who deserve it :winkwink:

escorpio 07-02-2005 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mardigras
8 of the world's biggest leaders putting pressure on a country who's government has raped it's people for decades will likely do litttle to help; I agree with you on that point, but where did you ever read thaat I blame Bush and Blair for it?

I didn't say you personally blamed Bush and Blair, I was stating what I had viewed on the television. Lots of rockstars bashing governments, none of them African.

woj 07-02-2005 05:10 PM

50..........

mardigras 07-02-2005 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by escorpio
I didn't say you personally blamed Bush and Blair, I was stating what I had viewed on the television

Well I would appreciate your not trying to put words you hear on television in my mouth. :upsidedow

mardigras 07-02-2005 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by woj
50..........

bastardbot :1orglaugh

escorpio 07-02-2005 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mardigras
Well I would appreciate your not trying to put words you hear on television in my mouth. :upsidedow

Please point out where I tried putting them in your mouth.

mardigras 07-02-2005 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by escorpio
Please point out where I tried putting them in your mouth.

My mouth is hot... everyone wants in it :1orglaugh

Seriously though, today's concerts reached more people than any other awareness effort ever.

We may not be able to fix their problems with money, but the world can expose those who profit from making the situation worse and hold them accountable.

The topic has never been discussed as much at GFY as it was today. Magnify that by all the other discussions going on worldwide right now. It's at least a positive step as GW and 7 others enter into their discussions. I won't point any blame toward him until he comes back and plays face then ignores it for the next 3 years. :upsidedow

WarChild 07-02-2005 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mardigras
What are you talking about? AIDS only wipes out the homos and other people who deserve it :winkwink:

AIDS only wipes out the ignorant. Unfortunetly much of the African population simply didn't have a chance. Not because they're stupid, not because they deserve it, but soley because they don't know any better. It's a shame for sure, but like I said, good luck stopping it.

WarChild 07-02-2005 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net
Idiot of the year :thumbsup

1/3 of the population already infected and I'm an idiot for pointing out the truth?

Thanks for coming out, tool.

mardigras 07-02-2005 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild
AIDS only wipes out the ignorant.

Amanda Blake was ignorant? Ryan White was ignorant? These people were ignorant? C'mon guy, surely you don't believe that.

xxxdesign-net 07-02-2005 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild
1/3 of the population already infected and I'm an idiot for pointing out the truth?

Thanks for coming out, tool.


Yeah.. thats exactly what you said dimwit :thumbsup

WarChild 07-02-2005 06:01 PM

[QUOTE=mardigras][QUOTE=WarChild]AIDS only wipes out the ignorant.
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Amanda Blake was ignorant? Ryan White was ignorant? These people were ignorant? C'mon guy, surely you don't believe that.
No, I didn't quite mean it like that. There are certainly some innocent victims, transplants, transfushions, etc etc. They're very much the minority though now. The majority of all HIV infections were easily preventable. :2 cents:

WarChild 07-02-2005 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net
Yeah.. thats exactly what you said dimwit :thumbsup

No, what I said is the problem will be solved by HIV wiping out the population. It's 1/3 of the way there now!

Deffinetly better them than me.

baddog 07-02-2005 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net
. drastic changes are needed...

:321GFY


and a concert is going to do that how?

xxxdesign-net 07-02-2005 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog
and a concert is going to do that how?

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Originally Posted by mardigras

Seriously though, today's concerts reached more people than any other awareness effort ever.

We may not be able to fix their problems with money, but the world can expose those who profit from making the situation worse and hold them accountable.

The topic has never been discussed as much at GFY as it was today. Magnify that by all the other discussions going on worldwide right now. It's at least a positive step as GW and 7 others enter into their discussions. I won't point any blame toward him until he comes back and plays face then ignores it for the next 3 years. :upsidedow


and there's no small steps...

xxxdesign-net 07-02-2005 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net
and there's no small steps...

edit: and there's no small or insignificant steps...

Drastic change wont happen tommorrow ofcourse..

Spunky 07-02-2005 06:23 PM

The only thing I didn't like was Geldoff criticizing Canada saying we don't give enough ,bla bla bla,we aren't welcome and bullshit like that.We are just a small country that could probably give more but we have many of our own problems

cambaby 07-02-2005 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net
edit: and there's no small or insignificant steps...

Drastic change wont happen tommorrow ofcourse..

The first Live concert was 20 years ago, aint nothing changed.

xxxdesign-net 07-02-2005 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cambaby
The first Live concert was 20 years ago, aint nothing changed.

haha.. awareness is nothing ofcourse... you should know that us stupid humans needs to be told something many things over and over again to finally get it... Hey they even made a 1 hour speccal on CNN about it.. Talk about a rarity..

Its true that its a fucking shame that awareness events of that magnitude happen only every 20 years... Not enough obviously...

baddog 07-02-2005 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net
and there's no small steps...


Oh, like no one knew that there are hungry people out there.

xxxdesign-net 07-02-2005 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog
Oh, like no one knew that there are hungry people out there.


read my post above for some enlightenment ...

xxxdesign-net 07-02-2005 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net
Hey they even made a 1 hour speccal on CNN about it..


about poverty in Africa and what can be done to help... (not the concert itself)

baddog 07-02-2005 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by spunky
The only thing I didn't like was Geldoff criticizing Canada saying we don't give enough ,bla bla bla,we aren't welcome and bullshit like that.We are just a small country that could probably give more but we have many of our own problems


. . . . and we don't?

Dalai lama 07-02-2005 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by badmunchkin
I know for a fact Bono gives millions to charity every year - can't speak for the rest.

So does Bill Gates.

wjxxx 07-02-2005 06:57 PM

Giving them free money will change nothing. They will buy new BMW`s and Mercs for their government and transfer rest of the money to Switzerland

benc 07-02-2005 07:07 PM

I'm also in the boat that thinks its basically useless or at least unrealistic.

Any money/aid will be controlled by the warlords. Then people will say, our military should go do something. Well whats in it for us to go thru a bunch of blackhawk down situations. It dosen't benefit us in any way and I doubt liberals would be willing to stomache that type of bloodshed to make a difference.

LittleMack 07-02-2005 07:14 PM

I think the concert and effort are wonderful but the corrupt third world governments won't let the aid hit their people, it sucks ass.

bhutocracy 07-02-2005 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by benc
I'm also in the boat that thinks its basically useless or at least unrealistic.

Any money/aid will be controlled by the warlords. Then people will say, our military should go do something. Well whats in it for us to go thru a bunch of blackhawk down situations. It dosen't benefit us in any way and I doubt liberals would be willing to stomache that type of bloodshed to make a difference.

"let freedom ring" lol.


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