America won in Vietnam

That's true, what was I thinking.

I see you got an A in high school history. The US did nothing to hurt Japan before Pearl Harbor, it was a complete unprovoked attacked. Those bastards.

you win some, you loose some

vietnam was a loose

Care to elaborate?

Just FYI: Genetic sicknesses are transfered from parents to children. This doesn't matter how long away from Hiroshima these kids are living today if their parents (grand parents) were in the zone of radiation. The guy whos hand you'd like to shake has sentenced them to a terrible and painful death

"""They tell kids that their revolutionary war involved the people rising up and fighting for their own interests, they don't mention that it was orchestrated by slave owning elites for their own benefit,"""

Luckily, Americans DID have a genuine, true blue, world class hero who forced the government to give real rights and equality to the common people.

Sadly, since he makes the founding fathers look like a bunch of scoundrels, he will never be given the hero status in America that he deserves.

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/enc..._Rebellion.htm

Well I don't want to sound unsympathetic to a generation not even involved in the conflict, it is of course unfortunate for them that they might end up paying for the mistakes of their ancestors. Or the 'mistakes of the US' as you see it.

My point was that given the circumstances at the time I really see nothing wrong with what was done. People didn't know about the long term effects of radiation. They did know that alot of Americans were dying at the hands of the Japanese at the time. Many were being tortured. The US was involved in a battle that could probably never be totally won through conventional means by either side because of the mentality of the Japanese. The A-bomb saved a lot of American lives; if the option to simply retreat had existed that would have been preferable but the Japanese would have simply regrouped and attacked again. Hell the enemy was even doing shit as stupid as attaching bombs to large balloons and hoping they'd drop "somewhere" over the western US - so you can't really say the Japanese were all that concerned about avoiding civilian targets in the US either. They had already demonstrated that they didn't care about civilian casualties by doing that.

Given the choices of having them come to the US and bomb indiscrimenantly or end it on their turf quickly, I'm glad the latter was the result.

Japan was taking control of the resources of SE Asia, America didn't like that, so they put massive sanctions on Japan that would have essentially put an end to their empire. They had no option but to strike back, and the US knew that would be the result of the sanctions. The nonsense about Pearl Harbour being an unexpected, unprovoked attack is oversimplified high school textbook garbage.

Oh Hell NO! Viet Power Niggas!!

That I was aware of but my understanding of this was that Japan was already at war with these other countries throughout Asia that they were trying to build into this 'empire'. Surely you don't blame the US for not wanting to help Japan to do this? The US may have expected some type of hostile response but to say it was actively provoked or justified is another thing entirely.

That is entirely UNTRUE. Japan was going to surrender after the first A-bomb bomb. We dropped the second A-bomb to prove to Russia that we had more than one A-bomb.

Absolutely correct! It was really just a "show" for Russians. Just to show who is the biggest boy there.

The US told Japan to cease and desist in their invasion of China and threatened a Naval blockade if Japan did not comply. Japan is an island that cannot even feed its people and has virtually no natural resources thus it had a major decision to make...comply or fight. Unfortunately they made the wrong decision. BTW they did not ever expect to win a war with the US...but did expect to buy themselves enough time to consolidate their expansion into Asia and then sue for a peace with the US.

I doubt this very much. If all they wanted to do was demonstrate that they had a second bomb or put on a "show" it would have made more sense to set it off in a remote isolated area that would have still gathered some attention rather than antagonizing an enemy who had, according to orcastudios, already shown a willingness to surrender to a war that the US was eager to end.

BINGO!

...an Ia Drang survivor