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  • just a punk
    So fuckin' bored
    • Jun 2003
    • 32393

    #16
    Originally posted by Scootermuze
    Kinda like what's happenin' now...
    Now the US coffins have replaced the Russian ones in Afghanistan. I keep silence even about Iraq... Do you have ANY clue why the US army came to Iraq??? Why it raised there such a big wave of terrorism (FYI: there was no Al Quaeda or other shit in Iraq before the US invasion, because Saddam was hating Osama and keept the country clean of terrorism)? Whey the US soldiers die there?
    Obey the Cowgod

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    • AmateurFlix
      Confirmed User
      • Jul 2004
      • 7762

      #17
      Originally posted by cyberxxx
      Oh, yes... America did alot to beat the "Japs"... The only country that was stupid enough to drop 2 (TWO) nukes on civilian cities. Such a nice idea! I think that Japan is very grateful for that.
      Well the Japs haven't caused any problems since then have they? I suspect the rest of Asia was probably rather grateful for the US doing that.

      It's easy to sit back and criticize now, but keep in mind those idiots were the ones that coined the phrase 'kamikaze'. They couldn't be defeated by any rational means of attrition since they were not only willing to die but found some kind of twisted honor in doing so.

      BTW, there were far more civilian casulties from single bombing runs in the European theatre in WWII than Hiroshima or Nagasaki. The only reason you don't hear people bitching about it is because it was from conventional weapons.

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      • just a punk
        So fuckin' bored
        • Jun 2003
        • 32393

        #18
        AmateurFlix, be sure. I heard alot about "brave" US and UK pilots what burned and ruined Dresden and lots of other cities (mostly civilian ones) in Germany... But those people were killed just once. However the Japan ones are dieing even today due to radiation sickness and genetic mutations.

        Please think twice before you say something.
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        • Rich
          So Fucking Banned
          • Jan 2003
          • 11486

          #19
          Originally posted by rambler
          What are you talking about?
          They just had elections (in Iraq).The US has just installed a democracy in Iraq. Don't you watch the news?

          This is completely different than Vietnam, just like my good friend 12clicks predicted. God bless his soul.

          You don't honestly believe that, do you?

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          • loverboy
            When it rains, it pours
            • May 2003
            • 20609

            #20
            its something the US wants you to believe

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            • titmowse
              Confirmed User
              • Jan 2001
              • 5320

              #21
              Originally posted by lloyd
              what movies are you watching? platoon, full metal jacket, apocalypse now, and deer hunter are the vietnam movies that come to mind and none of those suggest america won..
              No shit. What movies are you watching Relish XXX?
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              • just a punk
                So fuckin' bored
                • Jun 2003
                • 32393

                #22
                "Nearly 150 years have passed since the United States and Japan opened up diplomatic relations. Since then, we have gone from strangers to adversaries, to the very best of friends. I look forward to building on our strong relationship to meet the challenge of our times."

                George Bush,
                The Bush Ranch, Crawford, Texas
                May 23, 2003
                Obey the Cowgod

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                • Rich
                  So Fucking Banned
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 11486

                  #23
                  Originally posted by titmowse
                  No shit. What movies are you watching Relish XXX?

                  I think he's talking about documentary style military films like you'd see on the history channel, not Hollywood movies.

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                  • theking
                    Nice Kitty
                    • Sep 2002
                    • 21053

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Rich
                    All American programs always show America winning every war. Watch WWII stuff on the military channel, they make it seem like America single handedly beat Nazis. Who? What? Russians? I don't think the Russians were even involved. Of course they're going to change history and say they won in Vietnam, that's what America does.





                    Censored is not really the right term, although there are plenty of things you can't mention in the US media. It's a very complicated, highly effective propaganda machine, it's engineered towards painting a certain image of America and another one of everyone else. It's not just the media, the biggest problem is that they do it in schools. Read an American high school history textbook one of these days and you'll see what I mean. They paint what I like to call the story of America, a nation above all others, blessed by God, that does nothing but good in the world and wins every war it enters. They're taught that everything their government does is in the best interests of the greater good.

                    They tell kids that their revolutionary war involved the people rising up and fighting for their own interests, they don't mention that it was orchestrated by slave owning elites for their own benefit, who would become the ruling class and form the two party system, which has essentially kept the super rich unchallenged and in total control of the rest of the population for over two hundred years.

                    They tell them that their civil war was fought because one day people woke up and decided to end slavery. They don't explain that it was actually a complicated power struggle between north eastern and southern elites, and that slavery was only used as an issue because the bankers in the north didn't need slaves anymore.

                    They tell them that the Mexican war was started by Mexicans, when in fact it was an offensive invasion. "We take nothing by force, thank God". (Said famously right before they invaded Mexico and took more than half of their land, which they occupy to this day.)

                    They tell them that Pearl Harbor was a surprise and unprovoked, they don't mention the sanctions the US put against Japan that would have essentially put an end to their empire. They also call WWI a people's war, there's no mention of the fact that people who simply dissented against the draft in speeches or writings were given decade long prison sentences.

                    They don't teach about America's empire and wars of conquest, or any of the horrible things they've done over the years in places like South America or South East Asia. The vast majority of Americans can't name half of America's colonies, the real stupid ones even think that America isn't an empire at all. Most Americans never end up getting a real education, which is why you get a population ignorant enough to believe every lie their leaders tell them. This is why they're able to invade and occupy countries with the population at home thinking that they're doing "humanitarian work" or "ridding the world of evil" or whatever nonsense they're feeding the sheep this week. This is also why some Americans have a hard time understanding why the rest of the world does not like them.
                    As is SOP for you there is so much misinformation in your post that it equals pig shit...eh Richy boy.
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                    • theking
                      Nice Kitty
                      • Sep 2002
                      • 21053

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Rich
                      America has been at war constantly since it's inception. Perpetual war is the health of the state. There's no such thing as times of war or peace times in America.
                      More pig shit from Richy boy.
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                      • rambler
                        Confirmed User
                        • Jun 2004
                        • 745

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Rich
                        You don't honestly believe that, do you?
                        Don't you watch Foxnews? It says right on thier website: "Fair and Balanced news"

                        Do you really think the US gov. would let them (Foxnews) lie to the general public like that on TV?

                        12clicks is always right.

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                        • just a punk
                          So fuckin' bored
                          • Jun 2003
                          • 32393

                          #27
                          Obey the Cowgod

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                          • AmateurFlix
                            Confirmed User
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 7762

                            #28
                            Originally posted by cyberxxx
                            AmateurFlix, be sure. I heard alot about "brave" US and UK pilots what burned and ruined Dresden and lots of other cities (mostly civilian ones) in Germany... But those people were killed just once. However the Japan ones are dieing even today due to radiation sickness and genetic mutations.

                            Please think twice before you say something.
                            I stand by my assertion. That country started a war completely unprovoked and they will pay the consequences of it for a very long time. I'd shake the hand of the man who dropped the bomb and I'd have no problem doing it myself in that situation.

                            Please keep in mind these people were of such a mentality that they did not stop after having this done to them ONCE, it needed to be REPEATED AGAIN at a second city to get the message through. They didn't care much about their own people except as a fighting resource and their culture, at least at that time, didn't place much value on human life, at least not on par with most other civilizations in the world. Nothing wrong at all with that decision.

                            As for the ones who are having problems today; they really ought to consider moving to an area that wasn't bombed IMHO.

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                            • AmateurFlix
                              Confirmed User
                              • Jul 2004
                              • 7762

                              #29
                              ...duplicate post removed
                              Last edited by AmateurFlix; 07-01-2005, 02:49 PM.

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                              • theking
                                Nice Kitty
                                • Sep 2002
                                • 21053

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Relish XXX
                                When I watch Vietnam war films they all show America winning. Why in reality did they actually shit their pants and fly off in a helicopter from the embassy building?
                                US military forces did win every battle fought in Vietnam...but micro management by politicians prolonged the war (by not allowing a military defeat of the NVA via an invasion of the North)...and virtual anarchy by the US populous demanding a withdrawal of US forces...brought a unsatisfactory end to the conflict.
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