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MyNameIsEmily · 06-29-2005, 04:28 PM

I live in the US, and I want to start a TGP.

I have partners in Europe and I wonder how I can put them into play so we don't have to comply with 2257. Thus, here are my questions:

Do we need a European host?
Do we need to register the domain with a European registrar?
Should one of my European partners register the domain under his name/address?
Do we need a European "tresurer" to collect money from sponsors/affiliates?
Do we need European sponsors?

After Shock Media · 06-29-2005, 04:30 PM

why are you so hell bent on not complying?

MyNameIsEmily · 06-29-2005, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

why are you so hell bent on not complying?

Because I don't want to worry about the US breathing down my back.
I value my freedom and I value my privacy. I prefer to stay out of 'the system' as much as possible.

You know as well as I do that the new regulations are a crock of shit. There's no child porn on websites- child porn is distributed via P2P and through email.

I'm like an American European. Though I live here, I think the US fucking sucks.

tony286 · 06-29-2005, 04:38 PM

Go See A Lawyer ,unless You Plan To Move Out Of The Us So The Money Doesnt Come Here .you Have To Comply.

Alex · 06-29-2005, 04:38 PM

Easy, host in the EU and have the domain registerd to someone in the EU.

MyNameIsEmily · 06-29-2005, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

Easy, host in the EU and have the domain registerd to someone in the EU.

Alex,

My questions are:
does it really matter where it's hosted? and does it really matter who's name and address is on the domain?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but when I'm dealing with cash and sponsors, that's the target area where I need to watch my back?

Alex · 06-29-2005, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsEmily

Alex,

My questions are:
does it really matter where it's hosted? and does it really matter who's name and address is on the domain?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but when I'm dealing with cash and sponsors, that's the target area where I need to watch my back?

Yes, be safe keep the host in the EU and have the domain registered to an address in the EU.

The DOJ will have no idea that someone in the U.S has anything to do with the site.

MyNameIsEmily · 06-29-2005, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Go See A Lawyer ,unless You Plan To Move Out Of The Us So The Money Doesnt Come Here .you Have To Comply.

What if I was on the payroll are a Freelance Designer and my European partners (who retain ownership of the domain) sent me a checks, or Epassporte?

After Shock Media · 06-29-2005, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsEmily

What if I was on the payroll are a Freelance Designer and my European partners (who retain ownership of the domain) sent me a checks, or Epassporte?

Designers are supposed to have records too.

MyNameIsEmily · 06-29-2005, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

Yes, be safe keep the host in the EU and have the domain registered to an address in the EU.

The DOJ will have no idea that someone in the U.S has anything to do with the site.

Thanks Alex,

Now taking it a step further, say I signed up with Flynt Digital of those big sponsors that requires your SSN and wants to send your paycheck to your doorstep.

1. Do the Feds have access to their records of their advertisers?
2. Should I just avoid big sponsors all together?
3. Should I use strickly European sponsors?

Sam Granger · 06-29-2005, 04:55 PM

Make sure the European host doesn't have their server in the US!

After Shock Media · 06-29-2005, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsEmily

Because I don't want to worry about the US breathing down my back.
I value my freedom and I value my privacy. I prefer to stay out of 'the system' as much as possible.
You know as well as I do that the new regulations are a crock of shit. There's no child porn on websites- child porn is distributed via P2P and through email.
I'm like an American European. Though I live here, I think the US fucking sucks.

I also value my freedom and I have never had privacy so I can not even tell you what the fuck that is. Everyone also wishes to stay out of the system as much as possible.
The new regulations are just more burdomsome than the old with several kinks that need to be ironed out. The old regs had the same effect on privacy as the new ones do though.
The regs may be a small step towards making it harder for pornographers, but it is only a label requirement. Many industries have strict labeling requirements though.
Then yes there is childporn on websites, to say otherwise is being nieve. Yes a lot of it is sent via p2p, email, and chatrooms. Then again some is being billed through legit adult sites and affiliate programs, without the site owners knowledge at all.

MyNameIsEmily · 06-29-2005, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Designers are supposed to have records too.

Here's a little story.

A friend of my dad's (mafia type) owns a strip club. Okay, but he doesn't really own it. He can't own a bar because he's a convicted felon. So his son runs the place and has him on as General Manager.

the stipulation of him being a convicted felon is relative to me being American. Why do I have to have 2257 records on a site that's not mine? I'm just a designer.

taibo · 06-29-2005, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam Granger

Make sure the European host doesn't have their server in the US!

lol, oh so true

tony286 · 06-29-2005, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsEmily

Thanks Alex,

Now taking it a step further, say I signed up with Flynt Digital of those big sponsors that requires your SSN and wants to send your paycheck to your doorstep.

1. Do the Feds have access to their records of their advertisers?
2. Should I just avoid big sponsors all together?
3. Should I use strickly European sponsors?

if you take the check put it in a bank , files taxes they will find you.

Alex · 06-29-2005, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

if you take the check put it in a bank , files taxes they will find you.

Whats your point.

You run the TGPs under the EU aliances/host.

And have a few sites that are non-nude in the U.S

And you say you make all your money from the non-nude sites which dont need 2257.

How are they going to tell where the signups that earned that check came from.

After Shock Media · 06-29-2005, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsEmily

Why do I have to have 2257 records on a site that's not mine? I'm just a designer.

Check the regs again, I am pretty sure a designer qualifies again as a secondary producer.

MyNameIsEmily · 06-29-2005, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

I also value my freedom and I have never had privacy so I can not even tell you what the fuck that is. Everyone also wishes to stay out of the system as much as possible.
The new regulations are just more burdomsome than the old with several kinks that need to be ironed out. The old regs had the same effect on privacy as the new ones do though.
The regs may be a small step towards making it harder for pornographers, but it is only a label requirement. Many industries have strict labeling requirements though.
Then yes there is childporn on websites, to say otherwise is being nieve. Yes a lot of it is sent via p2p, email, and chatrooms. Then again some is being billed through legit adult sites and affiliate programs, without the site owners knowledge at all.

On the subjecy of privacy, exactly how do the Feds know where to find a webmasters office? Who gives them that information?

How do they determine that Business A- although hosted in the US- is indeed not a US website? How do they determine that Business A is even a busines?!

MyNameIsEmily · 06-29-2005, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

if you take the check put it in a bank , files taxes they will find you.

Sure, because it says HUSLER on the checks. Which brings me to alternative payment methods:

If I'm not mistaken, (and I have been before) by using the Epassporte service with sponsors that payout via Epassporte, one can transfer money into their bank and not report 'where' it came from, yes?

After Shock Media · 06-29-2005, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsEmily

On the subjecy of privacy, exactly how do the Feds know where to find a webmasters office? Who gives them that information?

How do they determine that Business A- although hosted in the US- is indeed not a US website? How do they determine that Business A is even a busines?!

Same damn fucking way they would find a clam fisherman who was following his regs. By reading the fucking label. This did not change in new regs vs. old regs.

They determind that business A is hosted in the US, so therefore in the US market and must comply with the label requirements to conduct business.
They determine that business A is a business if they see you trying to sell a product or service, if it is ran like a business, or fuck it the IRS gives examples between a business and a hobby.

After Shock Media · 06-29-2005, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsEmily

Sure, because it says HUSLER on the checks. Which brings me to alternative payment methods:

If I'm not mistaken, (and I have been before) by using the Epassporte service with sponsors that payout via Epassporte, one can transfer money into their bank and not report 'where' it came from, yes?

1. not reporting it is called tax evasion.
2. if sponsor is in US, unless sponsor is doing number 1 above, they will report they paid you.

MyNameIsEmily · 06-29-2005, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Check the regs again, I am pretty sure a designer qualifies again as a secondary producer.

So in a sense,

2257 is also imlying that US Designers cannot work for non-2257 compliant webmasters.

Now you've got me thinking.

After Shock Media · 06-29-2005, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsEmily

So in a sense,

2257 is also imlying that US Designers cannot work for non-2257 compliant webmasters.

Now you've got me thinking.

Do not twist words.
I am saying that it appears designers are considered secondary producers. If that is the case a designer must be compliant. Does not matter if who they are working for are not compliant and that is on them. Unless you can find some conspiracy.

MyNameIsEmily · 06-29-2005, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

1. not reporting it is called tax evasion.
2. if sponsor is in US, unless sponsor is doing number 1 above, they will report they paid you.

Can you rephase #2, please?
I think I got it, but then again...

After Shock Media · 06-29-2005, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsEmily

Can you rephase #2, please?
I think I got it, but then again...

If a sponsor is in the US and is not evading taxes and basicly following the law. Then that sponsor will be sending your info to the IRS each year if you earned money with them.

MyNameIsEmily · 06-29-2005, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

If a sponsor is in the US and is not evading taxes and basicly following the law. Then that sponsor will be sending your info to the IRS each year if you earned money with them.

And in the case of European sponsors?

After Shock Media · 06-29-2005, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsEmily

And in the case of European sponsors?

Europeans sponsors would not have to send info to the IRS now would they?

You seem awful paranoid.

I hope to gawd you make more than 20.00 a day.

besterman · 06-29-2005, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

If a sponsor is in the US and is not evading taxes and basicly following the law. Then that sponsor will be sending your info to the IRS each year if you earned money with them.

I believe that a non-us webmaster receiving income from a us sponsor does *not* constitute doing business in the US. You don't have to provide any tax id numbers, etc...While they may declare who payment was sent to, it will say it went out of the country...

Sassy Girl · 06-29-2005, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsEmily

Though I live here, I think the US fucking sucks.

So shut the fuck up and move your whiney ass out of the US then.

After Shock Media · 06-29-2005, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by besterman

I believe that a non-us webmaster receiving income from a us sponsor does *not* constitute doing business in the US. You don't have to provide any tax id numbers, etc...While they may declare who payment was sent to, it will say it went out of the country...

She or he is a US webmaster though.

MyNameIsEmily · 06-29-2005, 06:03 PM

Thank you very much Aftershock, that pretty much addressed all my questions.

No further questions, your honor.

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