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spanky part 2 06-26-2005 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
the problem with your shortsighted view is that when companies are more profitable, they create more jobs, pay more in taxes and pump more investment dollars into the economy.

your argument like arguing that robotics hurt the economy. efficiency and increased profitability helps everyone.

The problem with this picture is that the company makes more profit, which in turn makes their investors more profit. Most of the investors are very influential people, who in turn lobby the congress, and then the company pays less taxes.

You have a very pollyanna view of the world. There is no corporate greed, companies always do whats best for the worker and the environment. :1orglaugh

Yep enron was really looking out for the employees. So was worldcom.
The sad part is, my retired parents who were working stiff all their lives, have to pay horrendous electric bills. You know why? Because even though Enron is out of business, the state of Oregon is on the hook to pay the rest of the contract they signed. Economy 101 for all the little brains. That means they are paying for electricity they aren't getting from Enron, plus the electricity they are getting from another company. Damn we have one fine gov. now. God bless GWB and all his big business buddies.

MyNameIsEmily 06-26-2005 05:34 AM

Who cares about America?

SinisterStudios 06-26-2005 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by erehwon
Question, is this IBM or Lenovo which bought the personal computer division of IBM.

I'm having a hard time coming to grips with buying a Lenovo Thinkpad. :(

They have been making IBM's thinkpads for a longtime, so if you bought one within the last 6 years of so its a lenovo.

Pleasurepays 06-26-2005 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by spanky part 2
The problem with this picture is that the company makes more profit, which in turn makes their investors more profit. Most of the investors are very influential people, who in turn lobby the congress, and then the company pays less taxes.

You have a very pollyanna view of the world. There is no corporate greed, companies always do whats best for the worker and the environment. :1orglaugh

Yep enron was really looking out for the employees. So was worldcom.
The sad part is, my retired parents who were working stiff all their lives, have to pay horrendous electric bills. You know why? Because even though Enron is out of business, the state of Oregon is on the hook to pay the rest of the contract they signed. Economy 101 for all the little brains. That means they are paying for electricity they aren't getting from Enron, plus the electricity they are getting from another company. Damn we have one fine gov. now. God bless GWB and all his big business buddies.

do you really believe this? you think companies only make profits for their investors? I live right next to Microsoft and their success is the cause of 40,000 jobs locally who work directly for microsoft and probably another 50,000-100,000 outside. are you so shortsighted and ignorant with your quasi-communist ideas that you have no idea how that effects an economy? do you have any idea how much money 40,000 high paying jobs pumps into the economy? do you not understand how many other jobs are created outside of microsoft as a result?

here is a newsflash for you. while you are busy ranting about big, evil companies who exploit the people... remember that poor people do not create jobs. poor people do not make a significant contribution to the tax base of the country. poor people just complain about rich people to excuse the fact that they are poor. the USA is home to most of the largest companies on the planet. they were created by vision, great and consisten execution and by phenominal leadership. do you really believe that the average schmuck running a forklift is a necessary component to a great companies success? sorry. its a nice idea... and no doubt, most of them believe it. but that guy can be replaced by a monkey.

your ranting comes straight from Marxist ideas that have been proven wrong time and time again.

boner 2.0 06-26-2005 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by kernelpanic
Thank you

Come again

haha :1orglaugh so fucking funny :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

tony286 06-26-2005 11:48 AM

i can tell you as acustomer out sourcing sucks example
microsoft had this service where for $35 you could speak to engineer about the microsoft software you had questions about .These guys knew their shit cold and to me was well worth the 35 bucks instead of wasting time researching the answer. they were americans, the last time i called i got a guy from india who was horrible , he didnt understand my question and gave me a answer that nothing to do with the problem. i would never use that service again.

spanky part 2 06-26-2005 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
do you really believe this? you think companies only make profits for their investors? I live right next to Microsoft and their success is the cause of 40,000 jobs locally who work directly for microsoft and probably another 50,000-100,000 outside. are you so shortsighted and ignorant with your quasi-communist ideas that you have no idea how that effects an economy? do you have any idea how much money 40,000 high paying jobs pumps into the economy? do you not understand how many other jobs are created outside of microsoft as a result?

here is a newsflash for you. while you are busy ranting about big, evil companies who exploit the people... remember that poor people do not create jobs. poor people do not make a significant contribution to the tax base of the country. poor people just complain about rich people to excuse the fact that they are poor. the USA is home to most of the largest companies on the planet. they were created by vision, great and consisten execution and by phenominal leadership. do you really believe that the average schmuck running a forklift is a necessary component to a great companies success? sorry. its a nice idea... and no doubt, most of them believe it. but that guy can be replaced by a monkey.

your ranting comes straight from Marxist ideas that have been proven wrong time and time again.

Lets see, I care about my fellow human being, so I am a communist. I have no problem with corp. making profit,. In fact, that's why they exist, to make a profit. If you would actually read my posts, instead of spouting out your new republican drivel, you might see that I have a problem with outsourcing.

As for ideas that american corps pay their fair share of taxes, you need to do a little more reading and research on that one. The average US corp. pays 3.5% taxes. Yep that's paying their fair share.Not sure what tax bracket you're in,( you probably just don't pay taxes) mine is just a tad higher than 3.5%.

If they want to be an US corp. and get the perks and tax breaks that this country gives them,then they should have the common courtesy of hiring US workers.

I await your well thought out conservative propaganda.

Pleasurepays 06-26-2005 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by spanky part 2
Lets see, I care about my fellow human being, so I am a communist. I have no problem with corp. making profit,. In fact, that's why they exist, to make a profit. If you would actually read my posts, instead of spouting out your new republican drivel, you might see that I have a problem with outsourcing.

As for ideas that american corps pay their fair share of taxes, you need to do a little more reading and research on that one. The average US corp. pays 3.5% taxes. Yep that's paying their fair share.Not sure what tax bracket you're in,( you probably just don't pay taxes) mine is just a tad higher than 3.5%.

If they want to be an US corp. and get the perks and tax breaks that this country gives them,then they should have the common courtesy of hiring US workers.

I await your well thought out conservative propaganda.

i said that rich people pay MORE in taxes. in actual dollar amounts, their contributions are greater. i never used words like "fair" as you imply by your repeated use of the word in your reply - i was merely stating a fact.... not giving a "i have a dream" speach as you are.

since you dont seem to understand... we have a free market. that means that companies are free to hire anyone they choose and act anyway they want within the law. there must be some reason the US economy is the most successful on the planet. i am not saying anything is perfect.... but the US, before any other country is going to have most of the 20 first companies valued in the trillions.

if you don't like the rules of the game... then focus your attention on trying to change the rules of the game. don't give us all this romantic BS about how things should be in the perfect world you and Alec Baldwin are striving to create. I am sure children will never cry in Baldwinia... sounds great!! hahaha.

and you know what? the game of economics is no longer about a free market. its about a global economy and global competition and competing with other global companies on a global playing field. giving other countries a competitive edge over US companies with your antiquated Marxist ideas (i.e. not subjecting them to the same restraints you would wish on US companies) is not going to create jobs either. its going to cripple the economy and certainly deprive everyone of the chance at living in your perfect world full of teddy bears, hugs and roses.

Drake 06-26-2005 06:47 PM

Not the first and won't be the last. What will this mean to the economy in the years to come is anyone's guess. Is there any way to stop it? Not really.

Theo 06-26-2005 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kuthi123


pointless

yes some people get much higher salaries. You know the funny part? I was discussing 30min ago if a salary of $250-350 would be satisfying for a new group of employees in india. The reply was yes.

woj 06-26-2005 06:56 PM

50k jobs moved to India...

Myst 06-26-2005 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB
If you are working for 5¢ an hour no you are not too smart. quit the hate already. Try being UNBAISED when you read my posts or DO NOT READ THEM.

There is this neat feature GFY has called the IGNORE feature try using it.

Actually I have lived in Illinois, Florida and Tennessee. About 1300 miles difference from the northern most point I've lived to the southern most. I would hazzard a guess most if not ALL countires in Europe are not 1300 miles across. Once agian quit making this an "You hate Euros" thread because were not even talking about Europe you dumbass.

Oh yeah so what you are saying is that you support 9 year old children being used as slave labor? And don't even think to tell me that shit doesn't go on in some of these countries.

so basically youre saying you havent been outside your country, and yet have the arrogance to tell the world what it is.

Indians are smarter than americans, hell america is ELEVENTH on the list.

reynold 06-27-2005 04:56 AM

must be a case of low labor cost :winkwink: :disgust in india.

spanky part 2 06-27-2005 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
i said that rich people pay MORE in taxes. in actual dollar amounts, their contributions are greater. i never used words like "fair" as you imply by your repeated use of the word in your reply - i was merely stating a fact.... not giving a "i have a dream" speach as you are.

since you dont seem to understand... we have a free market. that means that companies are free to hire anyone they choose and act anyway they want within the law. there must be some reason the US economy is the most successful on the planet. i am not saying anything is perfect.... but the US, before any other country is going to have most of the 20 first companies valued in the trillions.

if you don't like the rules of the game... then focus your attention on trying to change the rules of the game. don't give us all this romantic BS about how things should be in the perfect world you and Alec Baldwin are striving to create. I am sure children will never cry in Baldwinia... sounds great!! hahaha.

and you know what? the game of economics is no longer about a free market. its about a global economy and global competition and competing with other global companies on a global playing field. giving other countries a competitive edge over US companies with your antiquated Marxist ideas (i.e. not subjecting them to the same restraints you would wish on US companies) is not going to create jobs either. its going to cripple the economy and certainly deprive everyone of the chance at living in your perfect world full of teddy bears, hugs and roses.

You just love to throw around that Marxist title. Must have been a good read in college last year.

Our country is anythign but a "free economy" anymore. A free economy works without tax breaks . When was the last time you heard of an energy company that didin't get huge tax breaks and subsidies. You are the one living in a fantasy world if you think we are a free economy. It's all special interests buddy.

As for what I do to change things, you will never know because I don't like to hang out in southern towns and I don't have a mullet.

It cracks me up to hear a hardcore republican conservative pornographer.
Talk about a real smart one. :winkwink:

Go listen to Rush now and get some more info.

Meta Ridley 06-27-2005 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by lotusmike
http://money.cnn.com/2005/06/24/news...ex.htm?cnn=yes

The fleecing of America continues. What a shame. :Oh crap


Look no further than this industry to see the same.


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