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Fizzgig 06-25-2005 07:14 PM

150 starving newbies!

Movie change isn't bad for an hour a day. :) A really dedicated beginner could do a lot better.

Basic_man 06-25-2005 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SleazyDream
ok, i'm in. I consider myself inexperienced. We'll compare my lifestyle today with what my new income in 2 months under your guidance can bring starting from scratch.

Get the fuck out of this thread..

Tala 06-25-2005 07:30 PM

Okay, I got three newbies, only two told me who they are. Work with me here.

kektex 06-25-2005 07:33 PM

Tala, I signed up for the yahoo group under kektex2005...

2HousePlague 06-25-2005 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Basic_man
Get the fuck out of this thread..

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2HousePlague
-- all I would say to those who come to post is "bring your best" -- let's make this something to be proud of.

http://2houseplague.com/PIX/BESTBEHAVIOR.gif


2HP

Tala 06-25-2005 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kektex
Tala, I signed up for the yahoo group under kektex2005...

Okay sweetie, you're the one I didn't recognize. Thanks. :)

kektex 06-25-2005 07:37 PM

Hey 2HP I was just reading your interview thread (excellent BTW) and was surprised to read you´ve been to Venezuela...which is where I´m writing this from!
How did you end up down here?

Tala 06-25-2005 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2HousePlague

Whoa. That thing scares me. You gonna sign up for the Yahoo group, Teach?

AmigoPorn 06-25-2005 08:17 PM

I signed up for the yahoo group under amigoporn69. :)

2HousePlague 06-25-2005 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kektex
Hey 2HP I was just reading your interview thread (excellent BTW) and was surprised to read you´ve been to Venezuela...which is where I´m writing this from!
How did you end up down here?

I was working for IBM at the time -- early 1998 -- on the Java software marketing team. IBM was holding its annual briefing for the Latin American press in Venezuela that year -- Lima was cancelled as the original location, for reasons of political instability.

I was the only person on the team who speaks Spanish, so I got to go -- :) -- I remember the location was a resort on the coast about 45 minutes by small plane from Caracas -- but can't remember the name...

2HP

Tala 06-25-2005 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmigoPorn
I signed up for the yahoo group under amigoporn69. :)

I don't see it. I'll check again soon. :thumbsup

Mr. Pat 06-25-2005 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2HousePlague
I'll be playing it by ear with each person, assessing strengths, if they can write a line of code, etc -- it will depend what each brings to the table and the level of energy they put into it -- it should be fun -- :)

The point I'm trying to make is this -- as an industry, we need to build goodwill and "bridges" of all sorts. Whether we like it or not, there are people outside our "little circle" looking in with interest and curiosity at what we do and how we do it. There are also people looking in with rather less friendly designs on us. I'm hoping to show that we're organized enough in what we do to convey those things to someone who's coming in at close to zero. I'd like to show that the dark-expertise and "secrets" I know some folks like to pretend aren't learned but are called upon during satanic-SEO masses in the middle night, really aren't and actually can be. I guess maybe I'd like to turn out a few people who, even if they never end up working in Adult, might have good things to say -- maybe years down the road, if somebody asked them what they think about what we do. My point is to do a little demystification -- :winkwink:


2HP

this is very admirable of you. just what we need. give the industry a better look while helping people to succeed.

Burridge 06-25-2005 09:02 PM

I'm a newb tooo

i want help toooooooooooooo

I'm a nice 19 year old boy from new york. I'm a musician with no major responsibilities like work or school. I'm eager and have time, money and patience to learn the ropes from a succesful webmaster. I like pencils and my eyes are blue.

If you wanna be my webmaster mentor drop me a line.

[email protected]

Tala 06-25-2005 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burridge
I'm a newb tooo

i want help toooooooooooooo

I'm a nice 19 year old boy from new york. I'm a musician with no major responsibilities like work or school. I'm eager and have time, money and patience to learn the ropes from a succesful webmaster. I like pencils and my eyes are blue.

If you wanna be my webmaster mentor drop me a line.

[email protected]

Join the yahoo group and read, learn, put into practice. :)

seeric 06-25-2005 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2HousePlague
Cynicism, when it is motivated by a desire for truth is a healthy, essential thing. But before I scan my 1040 from 2004 and paste it here, I want remind every one that the scale of this "project" has far eclipsed anything I could have had in mind this morning.

The truth is, this IS a place where opportunism and meanness too often rear their heads. The noobs who seldom post and who, for the most part, don't dare to enter into threads filled with "people" they don't know, whose aims are (even to me, still) indecipherable -- I THINK robs this -- amazing, one of a kind in the history of everything EVER -- place of a value it contains. When I first appeared on GFY, I did what many of you still do, I watched and paid attention, and when I had worked up the courage -- I BECAME 2HousePlague here.

For a long time, I have lamented what seemed a wasteful use of such an incredible resource, but have accepted that GFY, like any "society", is made rich by the diversity of its voices -- it turns out now that I have received (that GFY has received) the opportunity to do something that has not been done before. Again, I did not premeditate this, I swear -- but here it is, and we MUST (all of us) see where it can go.

A few clarifications, I'm not a millionaire -- but I am working on it every day and night. Anyone interested in the particulars of my business, is free to ask, here or anywher else. I would rather have those discussions other than on this thread, only because it could be interpreted as a taint of self-promotion on something that I'd like to keep free of that -- at least my own self-promotion.

There is no single "project" I am recruiting anyone for -- I should make it clear that I am NOT hiring -- LOL. However, I feel generosity and gratitude to GFY, without which none of us would be here -- certainly not me.

What I would love to see happen is that this thread becomes a place where a commitment has been made by all who enter here to bring their best -- in the form of both questions and answers. I think it's a tragedy that the best ideas for being single-threaders fall away into the oblivion at the bottom of this page. Here, for the first time I can remember we have a chance to build something of value and to have it all reside conveniently, bookmarkably in ONE PLACE.

My role in this is an accident, but my commitment (if you will share it with me) is sincere and passionate. If you'd like to see who the man is on the soapbox take advantage of the Search tool, while it works -- I have been often absurd and irreverent, and silly -- this is also a place of Play -- but, very consistently in all my "serious threads" I have been a champion of openness and sharing -- something I think we have a problem with as an industry.

Come to this thread to meet people you don't know, to listen to me and ANYONE else who wishes to say something -- all I would say to those who come to post is "bring your best" -- let's make this something to be proud of. Our business achievements in this industry are staggering. Here is an opportunity for Adult to take pride in itself a bit -- how better to do that than in the sprit of self-less sharing, in an educational context?

What I think is dusturbing some people who don't know me, and who have (just as I asked) brought thoughtful questions to the dialogue is the fact that this sort of thing is ALWAYS a scam of some sort. They are right to wonder and ask. This does look too good to be true. But, today, of all days, when for the very first time in a long-time, there is good news and optimism in the air -- TODAY -- let us leave some of the past behind, and come again to our home GFY, as if for the first time.

I promise to all of you, and to Lensman, to do here in this thread what is has for SO LONG been my desire to do somewhere in some way for our amazing BIZ, put it in an impeccable light.

Please...


2HP


don't forget the n00bs that don't think they are n00bs. several on here don't make anything,but contantly live a false premise. those are the ones that you can really help.

you're a good guy, they should listen to you.

Tala 06-25-2005 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K
don't forget the n00bs that don't think they are n00bs. several on here don't make anything,but contantly live a false premise. those are the ones that you can really help.

you're a good guy, they should listen to you.

STFU n00b. :winkwink:

Burridge 06-25-2005 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tala
Join the yahoo group and read, learn, put into practice. :)

thank you dear, if you're around can you give me a link?

Tala 06-25-2005 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burridge
thank you dear, if you're around can you give me a link?

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/2HPdaily/

selena 06-25-2005 09:39 PM

Tala...

I joined the group. I assume it used my yahoo login, which is crystallineclarity.

Thanks, babe!

selena 06-25-2005 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by selena
Tala...

I joined the group. I assume it used my yahoo login, which is crystallineclarity.

Thanks, babe!


Forget this post, Tala. I acted before I read. I created a new profile so it would be close to my gfy name. So I am re-joining as selenak1961.

Sorry for the ditzyness on my part.

nofx 06-25-2005 10:01 PM

great thread

Nightwind 06-25-2005 10:03 PM

I just woke up so i havent' been able to do any forum related stuff, apparently well be using the forum, so everyone go signup here: http://forum.teentropic.com - I added some new categories and if there is a particular skin you would like for the forum go here: http://www.phpbb.com/phpBB/catdb.php?db=2 - You can drop a line in the suggestions category if you like something you see there.

seeric 06-25-2005 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tala
STFU n00b. :winkwink:

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

i wish. lol. pain is in the tenure of being exposed to this for so long. lol.

Funky Bastard 06-25-2005 10:19 PM

To many people now looks like I wont get any help! Good Luck guys. :(

2HousePlague 06-25-2005 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funky Bastard
To many people now looks like I wont get any help! Good Luck guys. :(

You want my cell phone number -- ? -- :)

2HP

Nightwind 06-25-2005 10:34 PM

Don't forget to signup at the forums 2HP, after all it's named after you. :1orglaugh

Funky Bastard 06-25-2005 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2HousePlague
You want my cell phone number -- ? -- :)

2HP

Thats what carleton sheets asked me! :1orglaugh

2HousePlague 06-25-2005 11:10 PM

REMINDER:

Tonight's discussion will be...

Web Site Design Principles -- A visual design & architecture primer



I am also very pleased to announce a Special Guest Discussion for Tuesday June 28th -- "SEO Traffic Acquisition Basics" by goodgirl*

*(goodgirl - Director of Internet Marketing at Got Web Host is a full time SEO, with seven years experience building and designing successful websites. Her vast knowledge in SEO/SEM helps make Got Web Host the valuable resource it is today.



2HP

Nightwind 06-25-2005 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2HousePlague
REMINDER:

Tonight's discussion will be...

Web Site Design Principles -- A visual design & architecture primer



I am also very pleased to announce a Special Guest Discussion for Tuesday June 28th -- "SEO Traffic Acquisition Basics" by goodgirl*

*(goodgirl - Director of Internet Marketing at Got Web Host is a full time SEO, with seven years experience building and designing successful websites. Her vast knowledge in SEO/SEM helps make Got Web Host the valuable resource it is today.



2HP

Sounds great, exactly what i could use some help with. :thumbsup

Deej 06-25-2005 11:47 PM

...taking notes...

2HousePlague 06-26-2005 01:15 AM

"The world can be seen as only connections, nothing else? A piece of information is really only defined by what it?s related to, and how it?s related. There really is little else to meaning. The structure is everything." -- Tim Berners-Lee



"Less is more." -- Ludwig Mies van der Rohe



"I am not an effective manager of my time." -- Jack Mardack*


*(Sorry for the delay)



2HP

Zester 06-26-2005 02:07 AM

Tala, I've created a new yahoo ID and signed up as "zester_zester" - please approve.

Nightwind, I signed up to forum.teentropic.com as well.

Nightwind 06-26-2005 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zester
Tala, I've created a new yahoo ID and signed up as "zester_zester" - please approve.

Nightwind, I signed up to forum.teentropic.com as well.

Nice, hopefully the rest will follow. :)

Evil Doer 06-26-2005 03:53 AM

awesome thread, very nice of 2HousePlague! :)

DrunkEric 06-26-2005 08:12 AM

signed up as drunkeric2, sounds like an great chance to learn some more

2HousePlague 06-26-2005 08:36 AM

Web Site Design Principles -- A visual design & architecture primer


My fondness for the Adult Biz is great ? else, why do THIS, HERE. But I am often left scratching my head when I consider some of its pervasive practices.

The object of this discussion is to acquaint readers with Web Site Design Basics. It is written, ostensibly, for the Noob (the Impoverished Noob, to be precise), but I don?t think I?d mind it if a few established, well-paid creators of Adult Web Sites marked some of the points I intend to cover.

Success is hard to argue with ? but I?m gonna try anyway. As we all know, there?s a lot of money made here in Adult ? and certainly, that success owes to great ingenuity, great talent, and an understanding of certain aspects of the Medium found nowhere else. But, I think that Pornography on the Web was so IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE FAIL, that many GOOD practices and SOUND principles from the non-Adult commercial Web were never learned ? because they never had to be. Site Design is, in my opinion, one of those areas where we could do better.

I can already anticipate the indignant cries of ?What the fuck are you talking about, man ? I gets PAID!? ? but, to reiterate, I am not saying money isn?t being made. What I?m saying is that most of the site designs I see out there could do even better, if their designers took into account a few well-tested ideas that they might not have heard of. Specifically, I want to review some of the principles of Usability and Information Architecture ? even a little Visual Design, in those ways where VD for the Web departs meaningfully from the norms of VD for print.

First a definition:

Information Architecture
  • The organization, labeling, and navigation schemes within an information system.
  • The structural design of an information space to facilitate task completion and intuitive access to content.


This definition of IA is broader than IA for the Web, because the science of IA predates the Web. Before anyone had ever surfed or even pushed a mouse, Information Architects were concerning themselves with the challenges of joining many types of Information Consumers with Information Caches.

At the most basic (earliest) end of the IA spectrum, consider a book. Today, we couldn?t fathom holding a book in our hands that didn?t have a table of contents and numbered pages. But these are innovations that came much after the basic fact of words printed on a page.

As our ?systems? for information ?storage? and ?retrieval? became more complex, so did the science of IA evolve to incorporate new ?technologies? as they emerged. I deliberately placed the terms ?system?, ?storage?, ?retrieval? and ?technology? in quotes, because I expect most people using or reading those terms today associate them with IT and the computer age. And, even though the expression Information Architecture wasn?t coined until 1976, the science of IA ? by any other name ? is ancient and evident in applications as diverse as urban planning, human resources (staffing), and was the core of the reverse engineering strategy that cracked DNA?s ?filing system?.

This is about the point where I usually apologize for my long-windedness. But it?s also where I provide you with a context for a dump of information that may seem little related to the subject at hand. I?m sorry ? it?s what I do -- lol. I have found that by backing as far away from the Applied Specifics of an idea as you can, you can gain a grasp of it that will allow you to take that idea places no one ever expected.

And now, the abstractions made concrete. In the context of Web Sites, Information Architecture is?




(cont?d. shortly)




2HP

psili 06-26-2005 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tala
Just posted it to the yahoo group

For those interested, the group is http://groups.yahoo.com/group/2HPdaily/

Just joined Tala. My yahoo nick (psililisp) is a bit longer than my gfy nick, so just palindrome the GFY nick for the yahoo group if ya need to know who I am.

Thanks for hooking up that group, BTW.

Cheers :)

Raven 06-26-2005 09:34 AM

I will be in the back of the room, watching with great interest and learning, too.

selena 06-26-2005 09:38 AM

~listens, chewing lightly on pencil eraser~

Tala 06-26-2005 09:55 AM

I got the new 10 who joined last night. :) Glad to have you all. :) Posting the lesson now.

2Pac 06-26-2005 09:56 AM

2pac aka al_carrerra just signed on yahoo group

Meorazhar 06-26-2005 10:04 AM

I just signed on yahoo group with Me0razhar nick
notice it is "zero" instead of "o" :)

psili 06-26-2005 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tala
I got the new 10 who joined last night. :) Glad to have you all. :) Posting the lesson now.

I'm retarded.

What are the guidelines for following group discussions? Do we reply with our thoughts? Sit back, relax and read? Basically, I've never done the "yahoo group" thing and am just wondering on the "proper etiquette" :)

Nightwind 06-26-2005 10:14 AM

Tala, you might want to send out the url to the forum in one of the newsletters. Here is the url again if someone missed it: http://forum.teentropic.com

Tala 06-26-2005 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psili
I'm retarded.

What are the guidelines for following group discussions? Do we reply with our thoughts? Sit back, relax and read? Basically, I've never done the "yahoo group" thing and am just wondering on the "proper etiquette" :)

The group can be used for discussion, (although there's a link to the message board for that), and each daily lesson is being posted there to send out to everyone on the list as a mailing group. Use whatever tools you can on the group to learn, as long as you're learning, that's what the tools are there for! :)

Just no flaming or completely asinine posting, and you're fine. Post, read, learn and let's make some money! :)

Tala 06-26-2005 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightwind
Tala, you might want to send out the url to the forum in one of the newsletters. Here is the url again if someone missed it: http://forum.teentropic.com

Done.

Now stop changing the damn forum skin. I love the one you have on it now. :thumbsup

NTSS 06-26-2005 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrthumbs
very typical.. 3 days from now this 'project' has died..

Advantage; it did educate those noobs the most important lesson of this industry.. people are flaky ;)


Oh really?

Nightwind 06-26-2005 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tala
Done.

Now stop changing the damn forum skin. I love the one you have on it now. :thumbsup

Thanks, i left it on and adjusted it to be a bit more easy on the eyes now. :winkwink:

2HousePlague 06-26-2005 11:26 AM

Web Site Design Principles -- A visual design & architecture primer -- cont'd.

In the context of Web Sites, the contribution of Information Architecture is simply the links and pages and the relationships between them.

Though, on paper, IA work reduces to a site map...


...all of the value (and difficulty) of good IA comes comes from:
  • Understanding how and why human beings do the things they do (yes psychology),
  • An instinct for making ?pathways of purpose? for online Users (more on that later), and
  • A knack for compelling action.

At this point, it makes sense to drop in another definition:


Usability
  • The "effectiveness, efficiency and satisfaction with which a specified set of users can achieve a specified set of tasks in a particular environment."

In Web Site design, Usability and IA are inseparable ? though some folks will tell you it?s possible for good IA to stand alone, I have seen so much good IA fucked into worthlessness because the Usability was bad. This usually happens when programmers, who much more readily ?get? IA than Usability, have created a sound architecture, but not had the good sense to let a good Usability or Human Factors person take it from there.

Although there are many kinds of Web Site, which is to say there are many different purposes for which Web Sites are designed, since our aim as industry is to make sales happen, we?ll focus on e-commerce sites.

For clarification, e-commerce means to sell on the Web ? it?s a broad category that includes many forms of fulfillment ? but the commonality is that the ?deal is closed? online. There are a couple of models where that?s the case without a CC (or other method of electronic payment) having been debited, but they don?t concern this discussion.


On the Web, ?where? EQUALS ?how?

Do you think Tiffany?s would build a store on this "road"...

http://url.co.nz/african_trip/Images...esert_road.jpg

(cont'd shortly)


2HP

Tala 06-26-2005 11:30 AM

*adds this to the group*


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