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Choker · 06-23-2005, 10:27 AM

Have any of you guys actually looked at the ids you have been supplied? If so how many are even legable? Do you have PROOF of the date the shot was made? Just a id means nothing really. You have to prove the model was shot after she turned 18. Now what constitutes proof of this? A model release? If so this is going to be a complete cluster fuck. I really hope The FSC attorneys do not negotiate away fighting these stupid new rules for a grace period to comply with them.

Choker · 06-23-2005, 10:39 AM

hmm, guess I should have put 2257 in the thread title

RedShoe · 06-23-2005, 10:43 AM

good point. None of this shit never made any sense to me. How is me having a ton of ID's on file going to prove ANYTHING???

All it will prove is.. I HAVE ID'S ON FILE!!!

RedShoe · 06-23-2005, 10:51 AM

There is this a division of the state of Cali called the "AQMD"

The "Air Quality Management District". If you have a spray booth (for painting cars and such) in california that's over a certain size, then you HAVE to register with the AQMD and each year the AQMD sends you a bill to operate it.

In FX we had a wall unit booth and all we EVER sprayed into it was watered down latex paint... WATER BASED PAINT. And we were using small hand held airbrushes and we only used a few times a year. We only used it when we had something to paint.

I got into a huge fight with the AQMD once and questioned what they do with the money they take. They said it pays for the paperwork processing. They admitted that they do NOTHING in the way of countering the pollutants put out by industrial plants with similar booths. Just that they fine them and then use that money to process the paperwork.

THEY DO NOTHING! It's a gov't started business to collect cash and do nothing in return. Look it up for yourself, AQMD.

All these new 2257 regulations have the same feeling for me. WHAT'S THE FUCKIG POINT? Me having an ID doesn't mean some pedo is going to stop trading pics. And like Choker said, it doesn't fuckin' prove when the girl was filmed!

Half the girls are out of the business by the time their images surface anyways.

colpanic · 06-23-2005, 10:53 AM

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Janet Reno · 06-23-2005, 10:56 AM

This is exactly why the encrypted files method will not work. Webmasters are putting their lives on the line because of documents they could not verify to be valid.

DamageX · 06-23-2005, 11:04 AM

In short, stay away from using stuff that requires you to keep docs on file. Everyone turn your TGP's and MGP's back to text NOW.

Choker · 06-23-2005, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedShoe

good point. None of this shit never made any sense to me. How is me having a ton of ID's on file going to prove ANYTHING???

All it will prove is.. I HAVE ID'S ON FILE!!!

That's the end results I see. How many people have proof of when the shot was made? And what is considered "proof" ?

psili · 06-23-2005, 12:00 PM

Production date must be supplied for the material in question.

psili · 06-23-2005, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by psili

Production date must be supplied for the material in question.

I'm not sure what "document" the production date is supposed to be on, but I'm pretty sure that's how you match up a model ID to the piece of media she was in which was shot on a certain production date.

Choker · 06-23-2005, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psili

Production date must be supplied for the material in question.

that could be the primary producer verbally telling you the production date?

Not Working · 06-23-2005, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedShoe

There is this a division of the state of Cali called the "AQMD"

The "Air Quality Management District". If you have a spray booth (for painting cars and such) in california that's over a certain size, then you HAVE to register with the AQMD and each year the AQMD sends you a bill to operate it.

In FX we had a wall unit booth and all we EVER sprayed into it was watered down latex paint... WATER BASED PAINT. And we were using small hand held airbrushes and we only used a few times a year. We only used it when we had something to paint.

I got into a huge fight with the AQMD once and questioned what they do with the money they take. They said it pays for the paperwork processing. They admitted that they do NOTHING in the way of countering the pollutants put out by industrial plants with similar booths. Just that they fine them and then use that money to process the paperwork.

THEY DO NOTHING! It's a gov't started business to collect cash and do nothing in return. Look it up for yourself, AQMD.

When I lived in San Diego, there was a company that painted (sprayed) the helmuts for the guys at Miramar Air Station (Top Gun). Same thing, all they did was paint helmuts. the AQMD said they needed all this bullshit stuff to continue spraying and fined them. So, they moved across the border.

This seems to be the same with the 2257 issue. Many companies are just "moving across the border"

psili · 06-23-2005, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Choker

that could be the primary producer verbally telling you the production date?

I wouldn't trust that. For example, we had to nix a bunch of photo content because the producer couldn't guarantee when anything was produced in writing. That and he closed shop and fled the country.

On all our video content, each compliance statement, even if it's shot before 95, has a production date associated with it.

*shrug*

Basically it's a paper-trail nightmare.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 06-23-2005, 12:17 PM

I created my own 2257 form back when I got into the biz in 2000. It's very simple. The model fills in only those items required by 2257 (legal name, stage name, aliases, former names, date of birth, ID type and number).

I then have a short paragraph that amounts to an affidavit that the model swears the info provided is true.

The form date is the earliest date I ever shot a given model. If I ever needed to supply further proof, I have the model IDs, plus there is a date stamp on my digital photos of them holding their IDs (I make it a practice to make the first photo frame I shoot of a model, be a picture of their ID, the second frame is the model holding their ID next to their face - I do the same thing for video, which also has a date stamp).

I keep seperate files for 2257 info (affadavit form and IDs), and for model releases and anything else pertaining to models. The biggest hassle for the new changes was cross-indexing all of the images to the models. I picked up FileMaker Pro and put together a solution for that in about two days.

BTW, I did notice in looking at some other photographers paperwork, that they combined their model release with their 2257 form. As I read 2257, this is expressly prohibited.

Personally I wish the government would come up with a standardized 2257 form.

I would hope that if it ever came down to a court case, that no serious penalties would be levied against anyone simply for paperwork problems if it can be proved that all of the models are over 18 (since the primary intent is to ensure no one under 18 is modeling/performing in a adult content).

It would suck to run a MILF site, but then get nailed on a paperwork technicality.

The best thing that anyone can do for themselves is to make sure that their paperwork is in order.

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blackmonsters · 06-23-2005, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Choker

Have any of you guys actually looked at the ids you have been supplied? If so how many are even legable? Do you have PROOF of the date the shot was made? Just a id means nothing really. You have to prove the model was shot after she turned 18. Now what constitutes proof of this? A model release? If so this is going to be a complete cluster fuck. I really hope The FSC attorneys do not negotiate away fighting these stupid new rules for a grace period to comply with them.

Yep; I just skipped the whole ID thing altogether and went text. I don't even have any banners except for toons.

I'ts almost funny that you bring this up. I mean some chick turns 18 in two months but wants to do a porn shoot now for cash so the photographer does the shoot and dates it ahead two months and doesn't even release it for six months. How would I ever know?

I worked in my friends bar as a door guy and I still have 7 "fake" IDs I took from under age drinkers. Most were real ID's but belonged to a friend or relative that looked just like them in the picture except height and weight and they didn't know their own address.

blackmonsters · 06-23-2005, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

It would suck to run a MILF site, but then get nailed on a paperwork technicality.
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06-23-2005, 10:27 AM	#1
Choker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Orlando Posts: 9,024	I hate to bring this up but..................... Have any of you guys actually looked at the ids you have been supplied? If so how many are even legable? Do you have PROOF of the date the shot was made? Just a id means nothing really. You have to prove the model was shot after she turned 18. Now what constitutes proof of this? A model release? If so this is going to be a complete cluster fuck. I really hope The FSC attorneys do not negotiate away fighting these stupid new rules for a grace period to comply with them. __________________ ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466 Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/ Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers. http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

06-23-2005, 10:39 AM	#2
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06-23-2005, 10:43 AM	#3
RedShoe 赤い靴 call me 202-456-1111 Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The Valley Posts: 14,831	good point. None of this shit never made any sense to me. How is me having a ton of ID's on file going to prove ANYTHING??? All it will prove is.. I HAVE ID'S ON FILE!!! __________________ SPECIALTY COSTUMES • PROPS • FX Superheroes • Monsters • Robots PM for details For any manufacturing needs. Adult or otherwise. aka BonsHigh on Insta Bonsai weed plants

06-23-2005, 10:51 AM	#4
RedShoe 赤い靴 call me 202-456-1111 Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The Valley Posts: 14,831	There is this a division of the state of Cali called the "AQMD" The "Air Quality Management District". If you have a spray booth (for painting cars and such) in california that's over a certain size, then you HAVE to register with the AQMD and each year the AQMD sends you a bill to operate it. In FX we had a wall unit booth and all we EVER sprayed into it was watered down latex paint... WATER BASED PAINT. And we were using small hand held airbrushes and we only used a few times a year. We only used it when we had something to paint. I got into a huge fight with the AQMD once and questioned what they do with the money they take. They said it pays for the paperwork processing. They admitted that they do NOTHING in the way of countering the pollutants put out by industrial plants with similar booths. Just that they fine them and then use that money to process the paperwork. THEY DO NOTHING! It's a gov't started business to collect cash and do nothing in return. Look it up for yourself, AQMD. All these new 2257 regulations have the same feeling for me. WHAT'S THE FUCKIG POINT? Me having an ID doesn't mean some pedo is going to stop trading pics. And like Choker said, it doesn't fuckin' prove when the girl was filmed! Half the girls are out of the business by the time their images surface anyways. __________________ SPECIALTY COSTUMES • PROPS • FX Superheroes • Monsters • Robots PM for details For any manufacturing needs. Adult or otherwise. aka BonsHigh on Insta Bonsai weed plants

06-23-2005, 10:53 AM	#5
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06-23-2005, 10:56 AM	#6
Janet Reno Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 167	This is exactly why the encrypted files method will not work. Webmasters are putting their lives on the line because of documents they could not verify to be valid.

06-23-2005, 11:04 AM	#7
DamageX Marketing & Strategy Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Former nomad Posts: 14,293	In short, stay away from using stuff that requires you to keep docs on file. Everyone turn your TGP's and MGP's back to text NOW. __________________ Whitehat is for chumps If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

06-23-2005, 12:00 PM	#9
psili Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Loveland, CO Posts: 5,526	Production date must be supplied for the material in question. __________________ Your post count means nothing.

06-23-2005, 12:17 PM	#14
AsianDivaGirlsWebDude Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 38,323	I created my own 2257 form back when I got into the biz in 2000. It's very simple. The model fills in only those items required by 2257 (legal name, stage name, aliases, former names, date of birth, ID type and number). I then have a short paragraph that amounts to an affidavit that the model swears the info provided is true. The form date is the earliest date I ever shot a given model. If I ever needed to supply further proof, I have the model IDs, plus there is a date stamp on my digital photos of them holding their IDs (I make it a practice to make the first photo frame I shoot of a model, be a picture of their ID, the second frame is the model holding their ID next to their face - I do the same thing for video, which also has a date stamp). I keep seperate files for 2257 info (affadavit form and IDs), and for model releases and anything else pertaining to models. The biggest hassle for the new changes was cross-indexing all of the images to the models. I picked up FileMaker Pro and put together a solution for that in about two days. BTW, I did notice in looking at some other photographers paperwork, that they combined their model release with their 2257 form. As I read 2257, this is expressly prohibited. Personally I wish the government would come up with a standardized 2257 form. I would hope that if it ever came down to a court case, that no serious penalties would be levied against anyone simply for paperwork problems if it can be proved that all of the models are over 18 (since the primary intent is to ensure no one under 18 is modeling/performing in a adult content). It would suck to run a MILF site, but then get nailed on a paperwork technicality. The best thing that anyone can do for themselves is to make sure that their paperwork is in order. ADG Webmaster __________________ Asian Diva Girls - Exclusive Photos and Videos Asian Diva Girls Affiliate Program (50% ccBill Revshare) Last edited by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude; 06-23-2005 at 12:20 PM..