pr0

It's not the law itself, its the fact that it was attached to another totally unrelated bill & thats how it passed through congress.

If you ask me, not just 2257, but any law that has to pass on the back of another is an unjust law.

These "RYDER" laws are out of hand & need to be stopped now, no matter what the law is.

Every law should have its due discussion in house & be passed normally.

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smack

unfortunately i don't think with the volume of legislation they see that would be feasible.

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modF

I think the real problem is it supposed to fight CP and really isn't helping that fight as I can see it.


edit: the new changes are not helping that fight.

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NetRodent

You make it sound like that's a bad thing. A lot of crap is passed because nobody bothered to read it. We'd be far better off with less crap.

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GatorB

If you are talking about the new regs that not quite right. What Congress did was to give the AG the right to cahnge the rules without having to ask for congressional approval. And I beleive that ability goes further than just 2257. So basically it's letting NON-elected officials create laws which is unconstitutional.

pr0

well then they need to stop making so many fucking stupid laws to cover the asses of corporations

smack

i agree, we would be better off with far less crap, however the problem is, with people introducing shit legislation all the time, and it having to be reviewed on a case by case basis, it would also keep alot of real legislation from getting looked at because of the incredible backlog of bills.

now of course, ideally, these people would not try to propose so much goddamned useless legislation, but realisticly that is never going end. it's unfortunate.

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smack

very much agreed. i think lobby groups should be completely eliminated. that would bea good first step to loosening corporations pull in politics.

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pr0

i'm speaking of almost every regulation in our industry, it was attached to another bill, like the amber alert bill

its there way of saying, yes its not constitutional, but no one will notice, & certainly no ones going to challenge this bill, so lets go nuts and attach some favors for corporations & fuck with the legitimate pornographers

pr0

nothing can stop the beast now, we just need more lawyers working for the ACLU

smack

we just need some men of reason in power.

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wyldblyss

The trouble with 2257 is the people that decided how things should be didn't ask themselves one simple question. Would these changes stop child porn....if people are posting child porn it is already against the law..having to keep records certainly will not stop them. Just another case about people in decision making places not knowing anything about the subject they are making the decision on.

pr0

I'm pretty sure they already know 2257 won't stop anything. There has only been one or 2 instances from what i can recall where major business where busted for selling underage material. Wasn't it lanceolot or some sort of AVS of some type? Please forgive me if i got the name wrong i apologize.

Most illegal materials are exchanged using public services such as chat rooms, peer2peer, & all the other places you find illegal activies rampant.

Clamping down on our business is just ridiculous & we all know it.

Fuck, i don't run a single "porn site", & this still steams me.

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phypon

I hate to open myself up to this, but I think the whole thing actually goes far beyond the initial post, albeit a great post. I really do not think the people who wrote the new regs, or laws that make no sense, are stupid. Usually many people are involved in the development of such laws and are certainly educated. The proposals are written with many interestes in mind. The most distrubing of which is the ones that adopt the form of 'give an inch, take a mile'. We give the inch and they take the mile.

If the new regs go through, think about that. It does nothing to prevent 'actual' illegal porn, i.e. cp, it invades the privacy of models, and most importantly, it invades the privacy of at home buisiness owners. When feds can simply show up and say, we're here at your home, comply or fry, something is wrong.

Have a look at what the patriot act sneaked in. Home invaisions while your not home...hmmm...

Unrealistic demands are being placed on producers, models, and webmasters with this one. If it goes through, what's next. It's a power struggle.

I'm not really sure what the govt is doing anymore, and that has nothing to do with whoever the president happens to be. I think whatever is going on runs far, far deeper than the superficial.

I'm also really disappointed at how effective the media/propaganda machine has affected so many americans. Most simply go along with or find a reason to accept laws and policies that, deep down, they know are wrong. 1984 anyone?

dopeman

you hit it dead on. there's some serious shit going on, and most americans are not only blindly letting it happen, but are rabid proponents of it. 'We need to give the feds the ability to tap your phone or home without a warrant because terrorists are coming to get you!' 'They need to lie to us so that terrorists don't know their gameplan! trust the gov't! they have our best interest at heart!'

truly fucked.

DWB

I hear that tomorrow all child porn around the world will cease to exist when the new 2257 regs go into play.

theking

It is the Supreme Court that decides the constitutionality of any law...and the last I heard you are not listed as one of the nine supremes.

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