How much startup money is required?

[sonofsam]

• 100
• 500
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• 5000+
• 10,000
• 15,000+

In order to get a paysite up and going.. how much money would be required??

im not talking about a crazy paysite with all your OWN content etc... but just an average paysite....

[Illicit]

I would say 50k minimum

[Manowar]

Originally Posted by sonofsam

im not talking about a crazy paysite with all your OWN content etc... but just an average paysite....

Whats the point in "just an average paysite" ?

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally Posted by Manowar

Whats the point in "just an average paysite" ?

that's what i thought

[Veterans Day]

being VERY resourceful you could pull it off for 5-7k range. Dont worry 98% of all paysites are average, disregard the previous comments made

[UltraSonic]

Originally Posted by Veterans Day

being VERY resourceful you could pull it off for 5-7k range. Dont worry 98% of all paysites are average, disregard the previous comments made

98% of all paysites don't make a descent living

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally Posted by Veterans Day

being VERY resourceful you could pull it off for 5-7k range. Dont worry 98% of all paysites are average, disregard the previous comments made

I assume he doesn;t have much of his own traffic, so how could he get webmasters to promote his another average paysite?

[Mr. Mike]

lol, yeah, some of the biggest sites out there have very little content inside. Video sites should not be launched with less than 200 videos. But hey, that's just me.

[sonofsam]

but sites that have free content like platinumbucks... who supply videos and pictures.... wouldn't that be okay ?

[groark]

I would say about 5k. The most will be taken by content / traffic

[Veterans Day]

Originally Posted by UltraSonic

98% of all paysites don't make a descent living

wrong, Im sure you have noticed that some of the largest sponsor programs still in existence have had some of the shittiest paysites ever seen

[Mr. Mike]

Well, a lot of the big programs have really crappy quantities. 30 - 50 vids is not good enough. These can be downloaded in a trial period.

Anyway, the more the merrier.

[NoCarrier]

Originally Posted by Veterans Day

wrong, Im sure you have noticed that some of the largest sponsor programs still in existence have had some of the shittiest paysites ever seen

That's because some of them make more money from their own advertising inside the member area. They also have a list of people with credit cards, they can spam them, or sell the list to another company. The shitty member area is just another landing page.

[Veterans Day]

Originally Posted by NoCarrier

That's because some of them make more money from their own advertising inside the member area. They also have a list of people with credit cards, they can spam them, or sell the list to another company. The shitty member area is just another landing page.

[JamesK2]

Originally Posted by UltraSonic

98% of all paysites don't make a descent living

That's not true. Almost all big sponsor programs have shitty paysites.

Also, the paysite doesn't mean a lot for your income unless you don't promote it yourself (which would not be smart).

[PerfectionGirls]

I started my first paysite 3 years age with an 94.00 investment. Yep, thats it. I had the content. It did 6k in sales its first week.

That was before I knew better. lol Ignorence was bliss you might say. Now, its about 5k with no traffic and no marketing... just a site.

[bigdog]

if you are talking about exclusive hardcore site at 10 scences at 2k a piece you are looking at 20k to start, and i wouldn't start a paysite unless you have a lot of your own traffic to send to it.

[sweetcuties]

I'm not saying shit but most of you guys in this thread have no idea what you're fuckin talking about! This is the last time I'll post in any "How much paysite thread...". Fuck, we don't need any more sites

Btw, Merry Xmas

[d00t]

doesnt everyone make billions of their first paysite in the first week? ;)

[MandyBlake]

i would estimate that it would take approx 15k to set it up and then have enough content to keep running for a little while.
just remember...people don't want the same old shit everyone else has.
exclusivity is next to godliness.

[Alex From San Diego]

Sure you can put a site together for 5k-7k but more than likely, it will fail.

Our breakdown for a solid exclusive paysite is this:

15 Scenes to launch at 1500.00/scene: $22,500.00

10 quality DVD's of the same niche at 300.00/DVD: $3000.00

Editing and encoding to include all promo content: $6250.00

Site design which includes 2 page tour, 2 FPA, 2 HPA, various banners, 3 Mailer ads, 2 video FHG templates, 2 pic FHG templates: $5000.00

Programming: $1200.00
Jr Webmaster labor: $1000.00

Advertising for 1 month: $5000.00

Total cost: $43,950.00

Now don't forget you need 4 scenes per month for updates which is a cost of about $7500.00/month every month.

I left out all the admin stuff because it varies but as you can see, to do it right, you better have around 75k for an exclusive site because it will take you around 90 days from launch just to break even and that is if it is a solid site.

Hope that helps. Good luck

[Alex From San Diego]

I'll also add, that if you have an inclination to offer PPS, don't. PPS with these ridiculous payouts of 30-45 per signup is BS. If you need more of an explanation of why PPS is BS, contact me on ICQ after the holidays and I'll show you.

Ya, ya, I know what a lot of people will say you make it up on exits, upsells, cross sales, cancelled members emails, email collectors etc...trust me when I say this, it isn't enough. There isn't enough to cover overhead such as lease, utilities, taxes, salaries etc...

[Lykos]

If u need exclusive custom content for super low prices just hit me up on ICQ for samples and details,those prices above are much expencier then ours,merry x-mas

[XpressMedia]

I'd say 10,000-20,000

[bigdog]

Originally Posted by Alex From San Diego

I'll also add, that if you have an inclination to offer PPS, don't. PPS with these ridiculous payouts of 30-45 per signup is BS. If you need more of an explanation of why PPS is BS, contact me on ICQ after the holidays and I'll show you.

Ya, ya, I know what a lot of people will say you make it up on exits, upsells, cross sales, cancelled members emails, email collectors etc...trust me when I say this, it isn't enough. There isn't enough to cover overhead such as lease, utilities, taxes, salaries etc...

Even though you think the payouts are ridculous you still use pps programs, and just take in the fact that they are proably shaving you a little bit?

[Young]

Originally Posted by Alex From San Diego

Sure you can put a site together for 5k-7k but more than likely, it will fail.

Our breakdown for a solid exclusive paysite is this:

15 Scenes to launch at 1500.00/scene: $22,500.00

10 quality DVD's of the same niche at 300.00/DVD: $3000.00

Editing and encoding to include all promo content: $6250.00

Site design which includes 2 page tour, 2 FPA, 2 HPA, various banners, 3 Mailer ads, 2 video FHG templates, 2 pic FHG templates: $5000.00

Programming: $1200.00
Jr Webmaster labor: $1000.00

Advertising for 1 month: $5000.00

Total cost: $43,950.00

Now don't forget you need 4 scenes per month for updates which is a cost of about $7500.00/month every month.

I left out all the admin stuff because it varies but as you can see, to do it right, you better have around 75k for an exclusive site because it will take you around 90 days from launch just to break even and that is if it is a solid site.

Hope that helps. Good luck

If you can't do half the stuff you listed up there on your own for free...then you shouldn't call yourself a webmaster. Help doesn't need to be hired until you can afford it. DVD's aren't necessary at first. Scenes could be had for cheaper. Editing and encoding aren't that hard to do. Knock about 10-20k off your estimate. And you forgot about bandwith costs...

[stev0]

You could do it for WAY cheaper... the custom content would be expensive, but why the hell would you pay $6250 for soemone to edit your promo content? Any trained monkey could learn video editing in less than an hour.

And 5k for 2 tour pages and a few fpa's and banners... are you on crack? I think you've been getting ripped off if you pay anywhere near these prices.

Originally Posted by Alex From San Diego

Sure you can put a site together for 5k-7k but more than likely, it will fail.

Our breakdown for a solid exclusive paysite is this:

15 Scenes to launch at 1500.00/scene: $22,500.00

10 quality DVD's of the same niche at 300.00/DVD: $3000.00

Editing and encoding to include all promo content: $6250.00

Site design which includes 2 page tour, 2 FPA, 2 HPA, various banners, 3 Mailer ads, 2 video FHG templates, 2 pic FHG templates: $5000.00

Programming: $1200.00
Jr Webmaster labor: $1000.00

Advertising for 1 month: $5000.00

Total cost: $43,950.00

Now don't forget you need 4 scenes per month for updates which is a cost of about $7500.00/month every month.

I left out all the admin stuff because it varies but as you can see, to do it right, you better have around 75k for an exclusive site because it will take you around 90 days from launch just to break even and that is if it is a solid site.

Hope that helps. Good luck

[stev0]

Originally Posted by bigdog

Even though you think the payouts are ridculous you still use pps programs, and just take in the fact that they are proably shaving you a little bit?

I think it's pretty safe to say that most pps programs dont shave... they'd get caught so quickly, and the word would spread like wildfire on the boards.

It's not hard to get 5-10 people to signup for trial memberships to test it if anyone's really questioning anything... let the program owner know afterwards of course.

[budz]

I got 5 on it

[S P A N N O W]

Merry Christmas to you!

[Pornwolf]

There's some big ol numbers being thrown around on this board!

[Alex From San Diego]

Originally Posted by stev0

You could do it for WAY cheaper... the custom content would be expensive, but why the hell would you pay $6250 for soemone to edit your promo content? Any trained monkey could learn video editing in less than an hour.

And 5k for 2 tour pages and a few fpa's and banners... are you on crack? I think you've been getting ripped off if you pay anywhere near these prices.

I never said you couldn't get it cheaper. But you also get what you pay for.
It is about quality for me.

[Alex From San Diego]

Originally Posted by Young

If you can't do half the stuff you listed up there on your own for free...then you shouldn't call yourself a webmaster. Help doesn't need to be hired until you can afford it. DVD's aren't necessary at first. Scenes could be had for cheaper. Editing and encoding aren't that hard to do. Knock about 10-20k off your estimate. And you forgot about bandwith costs...

I'm not an editor nor am I a designer. My strong point is marketing and has been for over 7 years. I know what sells and how to sell it. Why would I waste my time learning how to edit and design when I have the best designer (IMHO) out there. I'd rather spend my time sending 350 joins per day to my program and others combined.

[fraggle]

How long is piece of string?

Make what you want of it!

Got a good idea or niche which doesnt need 2 guys,DP and some ass to mouth and you can get semi exclusive vids shot for under 1k.

Add a blow out deal for some good back end content with a healthy stock of semi exclusive sets and you will retain well and have enough promo contentto keep you,TGP owners and webmasters happy.

Having 'researched' (ahem) many big program's paysites some are total shit, barely more than a collection of mediorce feeds.
Some however, are enormous (100+ custom vids + backend and access to 15 other like-sites).

Design you can get a modest pay done for 4-500 bucks if you shop around, 2k will get you anexcellent one with promo material.

Point is...if you have areasonable budget you can most likely put a site together. lest not forget marketing

merry xmas

[Pornwolf]

Originally Posted by fraggle

How long is piece of string?

Make what you want of it!

Got a good idea or niche which doesnt need 2 guys,DP and some ass to mouth and you can get semi exclusive vids shot for under 1k.

Add a blow out deal for some good back end content with a healthy stock of semi exclusive sets and you will retain well and have enough promo contentto keep you,TGP owners and webmasters happy.

Having 'researched' (ahem) many big program's paysites some are total shit, barely more than a collection of mediorce feeds.
Some however, are enormous (100+ custom vids + backend and access to 15 other like-sites).

Design you can get a modest pay done for 4-500 bucks if you shop around, 2k will get you anexcellent one with promo material.

Point is...if you have areasonable budget you can most likely put a site together. lest not forget marketing

merry xmas

Very sensible post.

[SomeCreep]

Originally Posted by Veterans Day

Dont worry 98% of all paysites are average, disregard the previous comments made

wrong, thats 1999 - 2002 thinking.

[Theo]

Alex Merry Christmas

Originally Posted by stev0

I think it's pretty safe to say that most pps programs dont shave... they'd get caught so quickly, and the word would spread like wildfire on the boards.

It's not hard to get 5-10 people to signup for trial memberships to test it if anyone's really questioning anything... let the program owner know afterwards of course.

keep believing that ;-) When was the last time you tested a paysite for shaving? As a webmaster I have cought myself till today 3 shaving, 2 sponsors have admitted the same, a dozen stories and with the help of Alex I have seen the whole picture from the stand point of a paysite owner. It's pretty safe to say that most pps programs (if not all) shave. At this moment it doesn't really matter who are they, cause they are like all. Count the hits you send from your turn and compare outcomes. Forget payouts, they don't really mean anything.

Back to the paysite cost, unless you do a serious investment, work and a lot of research you'll get poor results.

[detoxed]

$100 is all you need

[Tipsy]

Interesting how many people in replies to these sorts of posts ignore marketing. 99% of people starting a paysite don't have and cannot get (for free) traffic. To get the traffic can cost a LOT of money.

[bigdog]

Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

Alex Merry Christmas




keep believing that ;-) When was the last time you tested a paysite for shaving? As a webmaster I have cought myself till today 3 shaving, 2 sponsors have admitted the same, a dozen stories and with the help of Alex I have seen the whole picture from the stand point of a paysite owner. It's pretty safe to say that most pps programs (if not all) shave. At this moment it doesn't really matter who are they, cause they are like all. Count the hits you send from your turn and compare outcomes. Forget payouts, they don't really mean anything.

Back to the paysite cost, unless you do a serious investment, work and a lot of research you'll get poor results.

I would have to agree, if there is shaving going on it's more complicated then just a simple 15% shave for affiliates.I doubt sponsors would be stupid enough to shave signups coming from the same state as the webmaster or even neighboring states where they could get a friend to signup.

[DeadFidel]

Alex:
"Programming: $1200.00
Jr Webmaster labor: $1000.00

Advertising for 1 month: $5000.00"

What is Jr Webmaster labor? Is it the kid you pay to get the coffee and donuts?

It's about knowledge that is not easily obtainable. No book nor company will tell you how it's done, for that's like giving away lotto numbers.
An open unknown project for $75k, and you have the balls to say they will make it back in 90 days?
Your numbers are so way off that I wish today was April 1st, so a least I could get a giggle.

[Rhino22]

I will speak from my own experience. We started a exclusive paysite about 3 months ago. Here were the costs:

exclusive content: $18,000
3 page design: $1200
general programing and scripts: $2100
visa fees for: $1500
cascading software (one time purchase): $3000
general labor for screenshots and editing: $1100
1st month hosting: $600
1st month advertising: $1500

total cost to START the paysite (not including the reccuring cost of content, hosting, and advertsing): $29000

[Webby]

Rhino22:

Sounds rational!!

On some highly promoted sponsor sites there is one hell of a little content - amazingly little.

I got more content lying around here on CD's/drives and never looked at yet than some "big name" sponsors actually have. So hell knows what that says :-)

[Webby]

Tipsy:

Interesting how many people in replies to these sorts of posts ignore marketing. 99% of people starting a paysite don't have and cannot get (for free) traffic. To get the traffic can cost a LOT of money.

Only my two cents worth - but that is the sum total of anything on the net - traffic! :-) It's what sponsors actually pay for.

Ya can stuff one page up - forget front ends, - and thrust real traffic at this and earn serious money.

[sonofsam]

thanks for all the feedback guys..

i think im just going to create 2 TGP's for now with asscamp.com and youngslutz.com ..

hopefully i'll learn a lot that way before i persue a paysite

or maybe it will help me raise funds to be able to start a paysite..

either way thanks a shitload guys

[bigdog]

Originally Posted by Rhino22

I will speak from my own experience. We started a exclusive paysite about 3 months ago. Here were the costs:

exclusive content: $18,000
3 page design: $1200
general programing and scripts: $2100
visa fees for: $1500
cascading software (one time purchase): $3000
general labor for screenshots and editing: $1100
1st month hosting: $600
1st month advertising: $1500

total cost to START the paysite (not including the reccuring cost of content, hosting, and advertsing): $29000

what cascading software did you buy for 3K?

[andrej_NDC]

Originally Posted by Rhino22

I will speak from my own experience. We started a exclusive paysite about 3 months ago. Here were the costs:

exclusive content: $18,000
3 page design: $1200
general programing and scripts: $2100
visa fees for: $1500
cascading software (one time purchase): $3000
general labor for screenshots and editing: $1100
1st month hosting: $600
1st month advertising: $1500

total cost to START the paysite (not including the reccuring cost of content, hosting, and advertsing): $29000

these numbers are very realistic, I camed up with similar ones when I planned an exclusive paysite

[Dalai lama]

Originally Posted by ajpiii

I would say 50k minimum

You really dont have a clue what you are talking about

[teomaxxx]

Originally Posted by DeadFidel

Alex:
"
An open unknown project for $75k, and you have the balls to say they will make it back in 90 days?
Your numbers are so way off that I wish today was April 1st, so a least I could get a giggle.

as he said, doing 350SUs a day to his own and other programs, he can make that money easily back.
for sure $75k investment mean for many of us shitload of money, in particular when it can be done for less.

[teomaxxx]

Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

these numbers are very realistic, I camed up with similar ones when I planned an exclusive paysite

so how much is needed to run one of these sites you have now?
:-)