CheeseFrog

One of my new girls was wondering why my affiliate program pays out 50% for her site. She mentioned something about lowering that payout to something like 15%, but I told her that 50% is probably the minimum we could get by with. I'm going to link her to this thread. Can any of you big traffic (or even small traffic) guys tell us what would happen if I lowered the incentive to 15%? Thanks in advance.

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beemk

tell her you dont take business advice from dumb broads that make their $ dropping their panties on camera.

nuff said.

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Theo

np we'll keep sending traffic

chase

Tell her that 50% of a dollar is better than 100% of none. When you aren't in affiliate marketing, it can be difficult to understand.

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typical GFY reply

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Very funny :P

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Yup, she takes he clothes off, and you make the money. Here is a perfect example of why she doesn't make the money, and you take your clothes off.

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After Shock Media

Honestly she is correct. Webmaster (affiliates) really do not do shit anymore anyways. And deffinatly not enough to deserve the over pay of 50% that became a standard years ago. But oh well.
Then again if you took that extra 30% you payout and converted it into self promotion that in turn pays the site 100% I would reason to guess your main numbers would be back to normal in a month or two.

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Hardlinks

She would suddenly make no money at all.

Why would i send you a sale for 5$. Thats fucking absurd.

Lets do the math here.

Girl A makes $5 a sale
Girl B makes $35 a sale

Do i even need to finish this equation?

Hope she knows lots of people who would take 4-5$ per signup.


Sending her own traffic is the exeption but not the exeption here or she wouldnt ask about affiliate payout rates.

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Alky

tell her if she needs money that bad, to come downtown tonight and ill show her a good time


seriously though... nobody in their right mind in the industry pays 15% for the type of site you have

Alex

Beat me to it.

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JOKER

Does it matter what she thinks?

She has per part of the contract (being content) and you have yours (generate the money).

There are enough programs out there paying more than those 50% that you already give to affiliates, why would someone promote something that pays less?

It's explained in one sentence, why does she need a thread on GFY for that?

Tell her to worry about her part of the job, end of story.

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Sosa

One site cannot pay that low right now I don't think. It would have to be an amazing seller if they did it. It would have to go down across the board to lower it that far down.

Alky

I don't see how you can justify this... without affiliates, you would be stuck generating your own traffic.

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Tell her to know her role.

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Thurbs

well no matter what, that's the standard. programs that can't do PPS stay competitive in gaining new affiliates and more traffic by offering higher incentives.

tony286

15% is good if you dont want sales lol

After Shock Media

On nooooes! The shock, the horror.

Affiliates for the most part are already spoon fed everything. Sponsor programs do the creatives, the content, the free hosting, the free hosted galleries with descriptions, and so on. The vast majority of affiliates do not do enough to justify the money they get. Fact is most of what the average affiliates does it import and push a damn button.

BTW generating your own traffic, is not in no way being "stuck" it is more being free.

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JOKER

Sure, if you have the $$ to buy the traffic you don't need affiliates.

But think about the fact that you pay the traffic even if it converts or not, you take over the risk of the affiliate.

Plus you will most likely have a hard time getting the same variety of traffic that makes affiliates interesting.

There are just so many people/sites out there selling their traffic.

Think about that.

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After Shock Media

^^^^^^^^^^^ the only real reason why.^^^^^^^^^^

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After Shock Media

I have thought about it, long and hard.
First you do not have to buy all your traffic, and if you do it should always be watched to make sure it generates a profit.
Same variety? Any program can submit to the same places. They can get partner accounts at the same places and so on. Only variety difference is with the very large affiliates who have a clenched fist over a given traffic source. Then odds are most 50/50 programs will not be pushed by them anyways.

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JOKER

Why run an affiliate program in the first place then?

doh...

After all, a day has still 24hrs, what besides "do the creatives, the content, the free hosting, the free hosted galleries with descriptions", shoot the content, update the site, generating traffic etc. etc. a program wants to do as well?

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Jace

yeah, cause an intelligent webmaster depends 100% on affiliate sales when they open a paysite...ROFL

affiliates should not make up more 30% of total sales for a paysite, unless you are a lazy paysite owner and want others to do all the work for you

what I would tell her is....fuck an affiliate program, hire 3-4 guys at $10 an hour to sit and promote your site on the net all day and make all the money yourself

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After Shock Media

First part, good question.

What else will a program want to do? I do not know. Wait until next week or month for one program to offer yet anoter insentive and then we will see what they have to do as well.

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Obviously a full time affiliate.

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beemk

yeah, good luck with findind someone that knows what their doing to promote your site for $10 an hour, when they could easily just do it themselves for 50% somewhere else and make way more $

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Jace

um...you are making the assumption that all paysites have one person that does everything....i know one paysite in particular...a single girl site, that has NO affiliate program, and only two people do the work for the whole site...it has upwards of 500 monthly subscribers

affiliate programs are not the be all end all to paysites, and I think payouts should be on a sliding scale...if someone wants free hosting, they take a 10% payout cut....etc

Jace

i personally already have someone I pay $10 to do this....it is called steady income, and anyone who is new in the business and wanting to learn has an excellent opportunity in this....and when they desire to move on, you find someone else

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It is easier than you imagine.

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Jace

besides, i can almost bet that not as many people as you think that are affiliates make a steady $10 an hour....sad, but true

people talk a lot of game, but the ones that make the true money are few and far between

JOKER

Not at all...

My point is, if you cut out affiliates, you have to invest that money you don't give to affiliates into labour, bought traffic, etc.

Plus you are responsible to make profit off of that labour / traffic.

You take over the risk of the affiliates.

Thats about it.

After all, of course there are some sites that run on their own, without affiliates and some of them do well.

But if that would be so interesting / the standard, would there be affiliates / affiliateprograms?

There is a reason things are, like they are.

Affiliates = Traffic generating labour you just pay for when you make a profit as well, sounds about right?

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chadglni

After reading this thread I have come to the conclusion that After Shock Media is as dumb as a rock.

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chadglni

This is ridiculous. Hosting costs nothing these days. 10% of what you can generate on even a $6 hosting account is too much damn money to charge for "free hosting".

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beemk

so you're saying i'm overpaid then you say i'm a full time affiliate like its a bad thing. where is your logic?

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warlock5

Then why aren't you paying people $10 an hour to push programs and you can take the giant 50% payout?

mockingbich

I have come to the conclusion that explaining anything that has to do with money to a girl is totally pointless


They just don't understand shit...

beemk

i agree, you cant really argue with standard business models that have been working for years. probably just a paysite owner crying because he cant get affiliate to promote him for 10%.

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Jace

my point was basically that affiliates these days have EVERYTHING except the sale handed to them on a silver platter....I have actually had one program offer me: hosting, an on hand designer that they pay for at anytime I need him, free copy of chameleon and some clothing...all in one swoop...WTF is that shit? i understand wanting to make people happy, but I had not even sent them one sale yet!

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[QUOTE=After Shock Media]Affiliates for the most part are already spoon fed everything. Sponsor programs do the creatives, the content, the free hosting, the free hosted galleries with descriptions, and so on. The vast majority of affiliates do not do enough to justify the money they get. Fact is most of what the average affiliates does it import and push a damn button.

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I can see you've been in the biz along time and understand that being affiliate is just a rool-in-the hay... Fuck, the postman has to have an armed guard for all the checks. Just put up a FAKE TGP and you're in the money.

Oh do you have it together!! Don't do any creatives, don't buy traffic, don't worry about SEO, don't have to buy content, fuck everything is for free. Skip the scammers, the shavers, skip 2257 too...., traffic, oh it's free from google.

Read my lips --- Shut The Fuck Up!

mockingbich

It's always bad news when models start asking stupid shit like this

She's going to cause you troubles

Jace

yes, the business model has become standard, but only because of competition, and the market is saturated...and every program trying to give more and more and more...until finally it will pop...and it eventually will...and things will back down drastically

Jace

hahahaha, that was a nice one

pussyluver

Oh, the days when PussyCash checks actually said PussyCash. That envelope never arrived sealed....LOL

CDSmith

Such a paysite could still do that, have their 500 monthly subscribers all to themselves AND.... by adding an affiliate program bring in twice that.

You can't look at it as bringing in 1000 members but only making half the money. That is money that the paysite owners otherwise wouldn't have, and that's why it is worth it. Trying to explain that to someone who just doesn't understand or doesn't want to understand is futile though, some people just will not get it no matter how it's explained.

If the affiliate program business model was the big bad utterly retarded thing that some of you seem to want to make it out to be, then why are ALL of the largest progams in adult running them?


And as to the point about affiliates being lazy... give me a fucking break people. An affiliate still has to build sites, still has to do design work, hundreds of hours of promotion and arranging link trades and networking in order to build up traffic, has to invest money for promo, must spend money on all the things he/she isn't able to provide themselves such as programing work, graphic design, ongoing grunt work, not to mention hundreds of hours a month in maintaining things...... anyone who thinks they can start from scratch and become the uber-affiliate overnight is completely out to lunch.

I'm not saying it's like digging ditches, but it's certainly not a simple cakewalk either.

Program owners who run affiliate programs are competing with each other for affiliates and their traffic. Why should I send even one hit to a site that offers me a payout of $5 when I can just as easily send my traffic to these other twenty programs who pay out $15 or $20?

Models who thiknk like Cheesefrog's model does should really stick to modelling. I've heard the same shit from some solo girl site owners, some of these girls just don't get it about why it's worth paying out 50% for affiliate referrals. I've come to tealize that this is one concept that you either get it or you don't.

Carry on...

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CheeseFrog

Heheh and for some reason she seems to think that photographer = webmaster. And since there are so many photographers out there... yeah, you get the idea.

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After Shock Media

On an affiliate by affiliate basis I would not know. There is a good chance you may very well earn what you recieve, and could possibly even justify even more. My comments are directed at the "standard affiliate".

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Fine by me, think what you wish.

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