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3piece chicken Dinner 06-16-2005 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank_Heartland
Now I'm going to stretch this to the limit :helpme

Let's say a big company like Silvercash, Topbucks, CE with 10,000 - 40,000 affiliates gives the info on thousands of models to affilates god-knows-where in the world.

Now they have put out info to affiliates, some of who will do anything from spam to highjacking peoples computers.

Now all this aff has to do is join your program take your content, banners and ads and he can get personal info on thousands of models.

You are going to have model info membership sites popping up like password sites today and how the hell are we going to be able to stop it.

Believe me, this info will get to the surfer if someone thinks they can make a buck on it and then we will all get sued bigtime.

This situation in really going to get fucked and we are the ones who are going to get fucked :helpme


Hank I WISH you were streaching this to the limit. That is exactly what is going to happen. There are legit Yahoo fan groups for some of these girls. and TBH anyone who is lonley enough to start a fansite for an online model is a scarey character to begin with , not to mention has waaaaaaaaaay too much time on his hands.


Oh and this is the target customer for this type of site.




and now that you have mentioned it here, I am certain some jackass will start a fake model id site so that all the surfers can educate themselves after getting screwed once and sign up to programs that offer id's.

Mako 06-16-2005 03:50 PM

We're not talking about future shoots, no shit sherlock, get a new release form.

We're talking about OLD content, and how on earth this is going to be able to be resolved without contacting each and every one of the models and getting new ID consent to release information forms signed...what a pain in the ass.

Sorry to hear that DWB, like most things, the silent lurkers will employ the head-in-the-sand technique to deal with this issue. Glad to see you're up front about it, very interesting thread.

NetRodent 06-16-2005 03:51 PM

I agree its a good idea to have a clause about id distribution in the model release, but why is the content producers responsibility to inform the model of the laws and regulations governing her sexually explicit performances? Is it also up to the content producer to inform the model that she will have to pay taxes on the compensation she recieves? What about warning her not speed while driving to or from the photo shoot?

rayzor 06-16-2005 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by newbreed
The attorneys also suggested that if you decide to distribute model identification information to your affiliates, that you enter into a legally binding contract, which would then give you legal recourse, between you and your affiliate specifically outlining the terms of the release of photo id information and precluding the affiliate from using that information in ANY way OTHER than that of 2257 compliance.

in theory this would cover your ass.. but the problem still remains, widespread distribution of the id is no good! identify theft, stalking, etc.. therefore, it should not be passed out in the first place!

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Originally Posted by newbreed
My programmer suggested that while this might be useful, he thought requiring the affiliates to put up a cash bond for the information would have more muscle than just a contract. The thought of an affiliate losing money for violating the agreement seems to have more teeth. I'm not advocating this position, just tossing it out there. You guys can do what you want.

this still won't stop someone from using the IDs for illegal purposes.. nothing will! they could get the IDs sell them to a broker and you could still never prove that they did it.

the ideal solution is ONLY the primary producer should have all this information.. secondary producer should have copies with "real name, real address" execpt birthday blocked out. use of content should link to the primary producer.

i guess only time will tell. the way 2257 is written now.. it definately has to be taken to court. because of these problems, i highly doubt that 2257 will hold up as is. i really don't think sponsors should jump the gun and start passing out IDs. it is too dangerous to pass out..

imagine if sponsors required you to have a copy of YOUR photo ID just to prove that you are over 18 and can legally become an affiliate with them.. :1orglaugh

:2 cents:

VeriSexy 06-16-2005 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt
I have a feeling models stand a very good chance at winning a law suit against any producer who distributes her I.D's without informing her and getting her written permission.

I don't think the future for licensed content providers in the U.S. is very good, not much better for Europeans because some lawyers are advising their clients that they should not be buying content now from non-U.S. producer over that vague poorly written part of the 2257 law.

Yeah the 2257 law really sucks for the models :Oh crap

SetTheWorldonFire 06-16-2005 04:31 PM

Which side of the sword is sharper?

chadglni 06-16-2005 04:34 PM

A drivers license is NOT PRIVATE INFORMATION. Does she ever show her ID at a casino, gas station, grocery store, or anywhere else? By saying you can't give it out she's putting you in legal danger. Don't want someone to have your ID, don't shoot porn.

latinasojourn 06-16-2005 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by VeriSexy
Yeah the 2257 law really sucks for the models :Oh crap

not just the models.

identify theft makes business people vulnerable also, banks vulnerable, goverment agencies vulnerable, insurance companies vulnerable. HUGE problem.

it causes personal safety problems, enables terrorist activity, causes financial loss and inconvenience.

criminals WANT and will buy other people's ID---it is the crime of the century, from thieves to terrorists.

now with 2257 you have not only text ID on computers, you have recent IMAGE ID accompanied with text ID available on thousands of computer hard drives---this is a goldmine for the unsrupulous, and i can't think of a bigger risk to people.

big story today about ID theft, it is everywhere:

http://money.cnn.com/2005/06/16/news...ex.htm?cnn=yes

people just don't understand.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 06-16-2005 04:47 PM

Once model's personal info is widely available, there are bound to be problems.

Between my four Yahoo Groups promoting my various sites, I have about 20,000 Members. I learned early on to monitor and moderate/approve all of the posts. I catch clowns trying to post where the models work, go to school, what clubs they frequent, their real names, and in a few instances even their phone numbers.

The new 2257 is going to make the situation even worse.

DBW, sorry to here about your situation. It's just one model, I would dump her from your site and get rid of the problem (or keep her on your site, but do give out her pix to affilate sites).

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DWB 06-16-2005 04:50 PM

On the flip side... I'm a model as well. I have been in many of my flicks and ave already been through ID theft once and it took TWO YEARS to get clear. In fact I just posted about that 2 days ago here. What a mess.

I'm going to sue myself if I release my ID. lol

woj 06-16-2005 04:50 PM

50.........

tony286 06-16-2005 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chadglni
A drivers license is NOT PRIVATE INFORMATION. Does she ever show her ID at a casino, gas station, grocery store, or anywhere else? By saying you can't give it out she's putting you in legal danger. Don't want someone to have your ID, don't shoot porn.

Bingo Thank you give that man a cigar, People throw the word sue around, you have to pay to sue someone. Also if she is going to law school let her sue you and get it on public record that she did porn. Also you show the judge you are following a regulation that if you dont comply with could put you in jail. I think the judge will tell the model if you wanted so much to protect your privacy you should nt of done pornography.

andrej_NDC 06-16-2005 05:21 PM

Just because those girls do porn, doenst mean they deserve to lose their privacy. Fucking idiots.

ContentHire 06-16-2005 05:22 PM

Models are changing address more often then I change my underwear

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 06-16-2005 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ContentHire
Models are changing address more often then I change my underwear

You mean they move once a year, whether they need to or not? :1orglaugh

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andrej_NDC 06-16-2005 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ContentHire
Models are changing address more often then I change my underwear

please show us your ID, I will be happy to show it to a few friends around the globe too...

mockingbich 06-16-2005 05:39 PM

DON'T GIVE OUT MODELS' PERSONAL INFORMATION

THis is just common sense

If you're worried about losing money from affiliate sales you're going to lose a lot more than that if something bad happens to a model

taibo 06-16-2005 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
I have been talking to some of my US based models about how they feel about their IDs being given out and as you would think, they are very unhappy with it.

One of the girls is a smart little chick and she shows up at my door today (after last nights phone convo) with a copy of her model release in hand and tells me that if I can't find the part on it where she gives permission to give out her ID she will sue me on June 24.

Now, my release does say I can do what ever I want with the footage, pics, media, blah, blah, blah... but nowhere does it say anything about transferring or publishing her ID or personal information. :Oh crap

Check your release boys and girls, we may be in for a model backlash shit storm.

I'm waiting to hear back from my attorney on this one, but I'm smart enough to know that if it's not in the contract... she probably has a valid suit.

Discuss.



well it's simple, if it's not in the contract then you shouldn't do it. What a predicament though


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