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lotusmike · 06-14-2005, 07:45 PM

If he does, how do you reconcile God having infinite love for his creations with the threat of eternal damnation. If he has prior knowledge of your sins prior to creating you, why would he punish you?

That's like me creating a paper airplane with a notched wing, and burning it in the fireplace if doesn't fly.

IMO, Hell? doesn't exist, your stupid fairytale doesn't even scare me.

Spunky · 06-14-2005, 07:46 PM

Blasphemy..repent sinner..Jesus forgives everybody

cyber_ninja · 06-14-2005, 07:46 PM

DamageX · 06-14-2005, 07:47 PM

Free will

lotusmike · 06-14-2005, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

Free will

Oh no, not the common theist attempt to reconcile omniscience and Free Will?.

Anywho, how can an event be free in the first place if God has infallible knowledge of it prior to its ever happening?

DamageX · 06-14-2005, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by lotusmike

Oh no, not the common theist attempt to reconcile omniscience and Free Will?.

Anywho, how can an event be free in the first place if God has infallible knowledge of it prior to its ever happening?

Dude, let it go. Don't fuck with people's beliefs. Put it this way, if not taken too strictly, belief is a good thing. If you believe in something greater, that watches out for you and tries guiding you right, you'll be able to handle everyday problems much easier and move on much faster, if things don't go right.

Do not mix up belief and religion though, they're not exactly the same thing.

lotusmike · 06-14-2005, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

Dude, let it go. Don't fuck with people's beliefs. Put it this way, if not taken too strictly, belief is a good thing. If you believe in something greater, that watches out for you and tries guiding you right, you'll be able to handle everyday problems much easier and move on much faster, if things don't go right.

Do not mix up belief and religion though, they're not exactly the same thing.

You haven't been keeping appraised on current events with the Christian Right's activities in the US of A lately and how it effects us evil sinners have you?

Gov't funded Churches
Anti-abortion
Anti-stem cell research
etc. etc.

DamageX · 06-14-2005, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by lotusmike

You haven't been keeping appraised on current events with the Christian Right's activities in the US of A lately and how it effects us evil sinners have you?

Gov't funded Churches
Anti-abortion
Anti-stem cell research
etc. etc.

That's not belief. That's narrow-minded religious propaganda. Big difference.

iwantchixx · 06-14-2005, 09:18 PM

i dont think there is a hell per say as they describe it int eh bible but more or less hell is a form of karma. You do something bad, karma bites you in the ass. Thus, the difference between hell and no hell is how we live our lives. Once you pass on I believe youa re judged, if you fail, you are just "gone".

stev0 · 06-14-2005, 09:24 PM

the christian church is just a big cult.... it, and all religions started that way.

CDSmith · 06-14-2005, 09:30 PM

I know it sounds amazing, but the fact is some believers keep their beliefs private and they don't go around trying to control what everyone else thinks or is allowed to view.

Would be a great world if everyone minded their own fucking business and let others believe the way they want to believe or not believe. Too bad that'll never happen.

smack · 06-14-2005, 09:54 PM

christians are usually not prepared to defend their beliefs. it's amazing. i do no buy into their religion as it is today, yet i have a better working knowledge of the bible than most of them.

SquireMD · 06-14-2005, 09:55 PM

mike, drink some of this here jesus juice and you'll understand

CDSmith · 06-14-2005, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by smack

christians are usually not prepared to defend their beliefs. it's amazing. i do no buy into their religion as it is today, yet i have a better working knowledge of the bible than most of them.

Those who have a strong and centered belief won't feel that their belief needs defending. Of course too many are deep-down uncertain in what they believe in and really only want to believe badly in something, so they will argue up a storm to defend whatever it is they believe in.

But why some non-believers think someone else needs to defend or justify anything to them is beyond me. There are obviously retards and people with lousy shitty attitudes on both sides of the issue.

kaylacruz · 06-14-2005, 10:01 PM

interesting thread..

DamageX · 06-14-2005, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

Those who have a strong and centered belief won't feel that their belief needs defending. Of course too many are deep-down uncertain in what they believe in and really only want to believe badly in something, so they will argue up a storm to defend whatever it is they believe in.

But why some non-believers think someone else needs to defend or justify anything to them is beyond me. There are obviously retards and people with lousy shitty attitudes on both sides of the issue.

Well said.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 06-14-2005, 10:04 PM

What is "Infinite Knowledge"?

lotusmike · 06-15-2005, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

What is "Infinite Knowledge"?

It's one of the god attributes dreampt up out of thin air by Christians.

Omnibenevolent (God is All-Loving, that God is perfect and that God is morally good)
Omniscient (God is All-knowing)
Omnipotent (God is All-powerful)
Omnipresent (God is Always everywhere at the same time)

Problem is, under inspection you end up with impossible conundrums as well as numerous examples of scripture that contradicts itself. (search google for the debates).

It's much more likely the Bible wasn't written by a god, but written by smelly ancient sheep hearders looking to control their flock.

lotusmike · 06-15-2005, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

Those who have a strong and centered belief won't feel that their belief needs defending. Of course too many are deep-down uncertain in what they believe in and really only want to believe badly in something, so they will argue up a storm to defend whatever it is they believe in.

But why some non-believers think someone else needs to defend or justify anything to them is beyond me. There are obviously retards and people with lousy shitty attitudes on both sides of the issue.

Some people have a very deep psychological need for a big-daddy in the
sky, who monitors their every thought and keeps them in line. Whatever floats your boat.

lotusmike · 06-15-2005, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by smack

christians are usually not prepared to defend their beliefs. it's amazing. i do no buy into their religion as it is today, yet i have a better working knowledge of the bible than most of them.

Well for Christians the cognitive dissonance (intellectual avoidance syndrome) is agonizing and hurts their brain. Being indoctrinated from birth they cannot think logically for themselves and instead rely on their candy-coated fantasy like a useless crutch.

Tat2Jr · 06-15-2005, 01:31 AM

Religion was invented by man to answer the unanswerable.

Free Will - so as just a lowly human if my girlfriend leaves me, and doesn't love me anymore of her own free will I can lock her in my basement, and torture her forever? PLEAASSSSE! God gets too!

Melanie · 06-15-2005, 01:43 AM

Well as stated belief/faith/spirituality have littel to do with churches and organised religion.

Faith is a useful human thing - when the shit is REALLY bad sometimes theres not much left to do except pray. People with faith find that easier anf ind a sort of solace in prayer.

Right wing churches just USE religion as a cover for their bigotry - when one of their members says 'God hates faggots' what they are really saying is 'I hate faggots - but I dont want to seem prjudiced so I am hiding bwehind the bible'

To be fair people often hide their own prejudicices and bigotry behind other things such as 'corporate culture' or even 'science' at times - they try to find things in science or domestic law or even attitudes of the general population to back up their own bigotted feelings and justify them. Thats not unique to Christians.

In fact having heard a supposed Christian saying stuff like 'God hates gays' I could only smile and think 'not as much as he hates you for twisting his words and usupring his perogatives'
Someone like that is in effect saying 'I know better than God and can speak on his behalf'

Look at what the bible shows - did jesus spend his time with the politicians, the worthies and the ultra-orthodox ? No - he spent his time with those who were considered outcast by the society of their time.

I rather suspect if he were around today some of these ultra right wing religionists would be in for a shock when he dissed them big time.

Mel

Tat2Jr · 06-15-2005, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Melanie

I rather suspect if he were around today some of these ultra right wing religionists would be in for a shock when he dissed them big time.

He probably wouldn't get the chance to diss them.... they'd probably cruicify him all over again for not being christian enough!

mikeyddddd · 06-15-2005, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by spunky

..Jesus forgives everybody

I'm counting on that not being BS cause I'm making absolutely no effort myself.

Melanie · 06-15-2005, 01:50 AM

Well - it was the greatest story ever told - political intrigue, betrayal, unrequited love and death - if it happens again we have 'The Greatest Story Ever Told II' where they can run the same script with an updated cast - Hollywood does it all the time

pradaboy · 06-15-2005, 02:48 AM

Luckily the title of this thread is totally objective

If you want an honest answer try not to address people as "tards" just because they believe something you don't

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nico-t · 06-15-2005, 03:16 AM

i wipe my ass with the bible

Danny_C · 06-15-2005, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

Dude, let it go. Don't fuck with people's beliefs. Put it this way, if not taken too strictly, belief is a good thing. If you believe in something greater, that watches out for you and tries guiding you right, you'll be able to handle everyday problems much easier and move on much faster, if things don't go right.

Do not mix up belief and religion though, they're not exactly the same thing.

The evidence points to the contrary.

Danny_C · 06-15-2005, 10:00 AM

I think people misunderstood the initial argument, which has been debated for centuries.

If God is all-knowing, then he knows everything you will do. This locks you into a course of action from which it's impossible to deviate. If a person were to deviate from that course, then that would prove god's knowledge to be fallible. Yet if you never deviate, then that eliminates free will.

So, without free will, how can a loving father such as God is presumed to be possibly send his children to hell for their misdeeds?

LittleSassy · 06-15-2005, 10:01 AM

dont wanna mess with God...

Jakke PNG · 06-15-2005, 10:07 AM

People are free to believe what they want... but forcing others to believe what you believe sucks.

smack · 06-15-2005, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

But why some non-believers think someone else needs to defend or justify anything to them is beyond me. There are obviously retards and people with lousy shitty attitudes on both sides of the issue.

because i am capable of defending and justifying everything i believe in. why would other people not take the time to make themselves familiar with theirs.

besides, if buy into that, it should be very important to you, it is supposed to be your ever lasting life. don't you think you should know something about it?

EroticySteve · 06-15-2005, 10:16 AM

Religion is only man's interpretation of what God is.

angel_x3ws · 06-15-2005, 10:33 AM

I agree with what he said.. I don't care and don't blasphemized others' religions so as not to receive the same stuff from other people..this world of ours would be a much better place to live in if we juz respect each other's beliefs..

Mr Dickovitch · 06-15-2005, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lotusmike

If he does, how do you reconcile God having infinite love for his creations with the threat of eternal damnation. If he has prior knowledge of your sins prior to creating you, why would he punish you?

That's like me creating a paper airplane with a notched wing, and burning it in the fireplace if doesn't fly.

IMO, Hell? doesn't exist, your stupid fairytale doesn't even scare me.

CDSmith · 06-15-2005, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lotusmike

Some people have a very deep psychological need for a big-daddy in the
sky, who monitors their every thought and keeps them in line. Whatever floats your boat.

Some people have a driving need to slag on others who believe in the big daddy in the sky.
Whatever rows your dingy

CDSmith · 06-15-2005, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by smack

because i am capable of defending and justifying everything i believe in. why would other people not take the time to make themselves familiar with theirs.

besides, if buy into that, it should be very important to you, it is supposed to be your ever lasting life. don't you think you should know something about it?

Knowing something about it, and feeling the need to defend it or get defensive about it, are two vastly different things.

I know several people of whom I would describe as "true believers". They don't seem to be in the habit of defending their beliefs to people who are obvously just out to slag those beliefs. There is a big difference between someone saying "I want to believe, convince me" and someone who says "Your beliefs are retarded shit that only retards buy into, defend and justify it to me"

If you can't see those differences well, that's really your affair dude. :D

angel_x3ws · 06-15-2005, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

Knowing something about it, and feeling the need to defend it or get defensive about it, are two vastly different things.

I know several people of whom I would describe as "true believers". They don't seem to be in the habit of defending their beliefs to people who are obvously just out to slag those beliefs. There is a big difference between someone saying "I want to believe, convince me" and someone who says "Your beliefs are retarded shit that only retards buy into, defend and justify it to me"

If you can't see those differences well, that's really your affair dude. :D

verry well said...

wjxxx · 06-15-2005, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by lotusmike

If he does, how do you reconcile God having infinite love for his creations with the threat of eternal damnation. If he has prior knowledge of your sins prior to creating you, why would he punish you?

That's like me creating a paper airplane with a notched wing, and burning it in the fireplace if doesn't fly.

IMO, Hellhahaha8482; doesn't exist, your stupid fairytale doesn't even scare me.

nigger please ...

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