KB, I think it speaks volumes that Danza hasn't said "peep" here at GFY on this issue.

Anyone with a small degree of marketing acumen know that it typically takes sometimes months to ramp up a marketing program. It's not about instant gratification, it's about long-term success.

If Danza made a deal with you, then he should pay according to the deal that you agreed upon. If he wanted certain pay criteria, he should have stated so up front, not after the fact.

I know you're reading this Danza. What do you have to say, considering that your credibility is being cut to shreds?

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absofuckinlutely.

There are three stages to what I do-
There is an introductory phase in which press releases are disseminated and general awareness is raised-
Then the 2nd stage of my services includes aggressively marketing my programs directly to qualified affilaites

3rd stage is maintaining and assisting affilaites to help make them more money as well as educate them on other programs we are launcing-

I didn't even get past phase 1- I DID write a press release, I placed his prgram in my sig, and made a few calls.

Lest any of you think i wasn't doing my job- I was doing part of phase 1 of a three month plan-
and truthfully to retain me for three months is almost to short a time span- but it's enough to see how I work and some results

So basically Danza thought KB would drop tons of money into his pocked and get $3000 a month in return and when it didn't happen he hid and decided to change the deal.

If he was wanting a % deal to start with he could have offered that or agreed to that initially. Say hey KB how about I give you this much of every $ that you send me through an affiliate of yours.

So I can't understand either guys position. KB backed a guy with all the drama saying how he was throwing down big money at the casinos and all this and that without ever knowing it was happening and Danza is trying to bullshit his way out of a deal.

I really like you ADG-
Please introduce yourself to me sometime in the near future - I like the way you "get it"

He made a deal now he is trying to reneg-
I am fine with it- It just shows ones true integrity-

I acted in GOOD FAITH
He paid me nothing. He got what he paid for ;-)

KB, KB, KB is this the place to be?
lol@ ole fatboys, circa 1985 :)

KB we have some chattin to do :)
I'll see ya on the west siiiii eeeede

DUke

Also it's important to note-
I can only get people to look at your product and sign up
The rest is completely up to the program owner-

There is an old saying in sales-
You can overcome the price, value, selection, color, quantity etc-

But you can NEVER overcome one essential objection
and that is
" I tried it once, and it didn't work"

You will never convince that kind of person that he or she should try it again-
A person's paradigm is formed based upon initial dealings and experience with a company or product

If that company is not reputable or underperforms- it's not my fault-

I can lead horses to water-
but your water better taste good
:-))

HOLLA AT YOUR BOY
I am sitting and waiting for your call-
And starting to compile a waiting list of sorts
:-))

It's not a bad thing-
one door closes and another one opens

Man I am full of cliches tonight

I also wish to apolgize to Danza for printing a private ICQ convo
However it was waiting for me at the end of a grueling day at the tradeshow and dinner at the HOMEGROWN HOUSE- after two long days in SF in meetings doing REAL BUSINESS for real Venture Capitalists

It also irked me to no end-
How else can I get his attention?

I think GFY helped me to communicate a little more effectively with Danza wouldn't you agree?
:pimp

KB that totally sucks just the way you defended him when he wouldn't talk for himself is worth the 3k as you went to bat for him hard. I hope that you get the cash owed to you in full as the deal stipulated. Sad to see this happen like this as danzas site had a lot of potentilal.

Not really.

Care to answer my post, or you want to avoid it for a reason?

Thanx

he wouldn't answer you man I don't see how you had any other choice as GFY is a strong tool if used for the good.

That's too bad it had endup this way. I hate seeing anyone getting shorted money they have been promised.

i have been manning the tables at the palms for the last 3 days..

no sign of danza or anyone with a mohawk..

i did play blackjack with maroon 5, but i forgot to ask them if they knew danza..

but this isnt accurate..none of the stats that got posted were..

i still think he is doing 300 joins a day

What was your exact verbal agreement?

>>>$3,000 a month for Public Relations and Marketing
plus my 10% override on affiliates

Considering the fact you promised him large refs and your 5 refs you brought in made $0.00 so far, I can understand Danza and actually think the 20% until he has seen some results are a fair offer.

>>>I didn't even begin to start promoting him via phone calls and mass emails to my contacts.

And why do you post his ICQ here and don't solve this in private, as he contacted you in private as well.Considering the fact you promised him large refs and your 5 refs you brought in made $0.00 so far, I can understand Danza and actually think the 20% until he has seen some results are a fair offer.

>>>>I never promised huge amounts of refs I never guarantee any numbers with any client and they know this going in - this is his cop out.
and how else do you get someone to respond to you after days of trying to communicate and no responses to phone calls or ICQ's

I know he has been at a mutual friends house this wek as well as wired someone partial payment from a bank- which requires being up and about.
If he was seriously injured which now I have my doubts about, then how is it he can galivant all over Vegas and not return my call?

Doesnt everybody.

Same goes for undelivered services that have been promised :disgust

Aint that the truth.

You are too funny man-
Thanks for the laugh tonight it ended a night filled with many great laughs...

I watched an orgy tonight take place in front of my eyes literally within two mins-
AND I WAS A FOOL FOR NOT JUMPING IN

Fun time tonight though :-))

>>>$3,000 a month for Public Relations and Marketing
plus my 10% override on affiliates

Upfront, or after your services have started / made him $ ?

>>>I didn't even begin to start promoting him via phone calls and mass emails to my contacts.

When would that be done, after your first payment?

>>>>I never promised huge amounts of refs I never guarantee any numbers with any client and they know this going in - this is his cop out.
and how else do you get someone to respond to you after days of trying to communicate and no responses to phone calls or ICQ's

So you never talked about big guys and mass sales?
----
He did respond to you today on ICQ privately, didnt he, why not answer and handle it private as well, explaining your marketing strategy like you did here?
Might have helped.

I know he has been at a mutual friends house this wek as well as wired someone partial payment from a bank- which requires being up and about.
If he was seriously injured which now I have my doubts about, then how is it he can galivant all over Vegas and not return my call?

I'd call it priorities. Your mutual friend could have told you if he was injured or not, then you would have no doubts now, correct me if I'm wrong.
Oh and wires *could* be done online / via phone, depeding on your bank, again - correct me if I'm wrong.

Overall, I have to say, this could have been handled more wise after his response to you.
If Danza owes you money that he has gotten the service for, he will pay you, no doubt.

All I can recommend to both of you guys is: Talk in private and solve it right there.

This "drama" here will likely not get you your money and him his service.

My :2 cents:

KB,

I am sorry to see things turn this way. A well known promoter once said,

"I believe Dean Martin in his later years would get in a suit and tie and go to the Hamburger Hamlet on Sunset and sit there and drink coffee and smoke cigarrettes all day


Then again he was Alzheimer ridden and clinically insane"

Guess this means you don't always have to wear a suit to lose your mind.

My money was supposed to be up front-
there were no guarantees discussed, period.

I was to get half of my money last wed it was supposed to be sent out- it never came-
I worked in Good Faith handling some "spin control" and still feel as though I was left in the dark

I realize that it's not the best way of collecting money- however what else could I do?

In a perfect world, Danza pays my brother for his Players Ball sponsorship first and foremost-
Second, He pays me for the two weeks worth of work that I attempted without very much luck in communication with him made it virtually impossible.

He then apologizes for not getting back to me- we fix his problems with his sites retention and get him more set up like a real business ( one that call sback it's employees and affiliates) get affilaites signing up for his program and he remains a client of mine with realistic, targeted goals and expectations. and pays me in full on the 1st of every month-

If that doesn't happen - I chalk this up as another learning experience and never commence any work until payment is made in full-

People I am as nice as they come and do a lot of favors for a lot of people- I don't get fucked a lot , but when I do, I don't take it lightly

AHAHAHAHAHAHA!

You liked that huh?
Whatever happend to the Andreas thread I need to go check it out again-

You crack me up three piece!

Sounds better.

Hope both of you get this resolved to both parties satisfaction, after all this is a business and no soap-opera :winkwink:

All the best,

Steve

wouldnt be the first time it would happen...sounds like a great deal $3k for 0.00 in revenue :1orglaugh

Thanks
And I appreciate you asking good questions-
I hope I gave you good enough answers.

Rui-

Learn how to read- he paid me NOTHING
he got a press release and I had his back

It could have been a useful thing for him- now it will be more useful for others...

Excuse me if I don't get it rigth, but during that first period that he is suposed to pay $3k for you still didn't did much else except defend him on that whole stats ordeal (blind defense which not always is good for the person defending - in this case you), the press release plus 5 affiliates that didn't generate any revenue?

BTW I actualy do find your 3 month-work-plan good, but tell me something for how much time did you worked for MensNiche?

Offtopic: What happened to JoeBucks (I mean you "repping" for them)?

damn I have to get a rep job man... expecting $3K/month for posting a press release! Not too shabby :upsidedow

Why would a guy supposedly pulling down thousands of dollars a day in sign-ups (and possibly much more in rebills) need to stiff an employee/contractor for what amounts to a half day of income for the sponsor program (if your numbers are accurate)?

Besides, even if Danza has a dispute with KB, why should that preclude him from living up to his sponsorship commitment to the Player's Ball?

Danzabucks is still listed and linked as a sponsor on the Player's Ball web site, so Danza is enjoying all of the benefits of being a big shot sponsor, yet he purportedly has not made good on his pledge of support (assuming there was one).

BTW, I haven't seen it mentioned yet how much Danza was expected to pay in order to be listed as a sponsor.

I'm sure the Player's Ball will still be off the hook, although it's too bad if the other sponsors have to pick up Danza's tab, especially after he benefited from being listed as a sponsor.

I've attended a few Player's Ball events over the years and the entertainment has always been first rate and the house is always packed.

Wish I could be there...

ADG Webmaster

I tend to agree with you there KB , You can place a huge magazine ad and introduce people to a certain product,but You cant force those people to buy.At least he was given corporate recognition, after this I wonder how many people will bother to do business with him. You should honour your verbal comitments. Business is not what it was a few years ago, all the programs are after a limited # of webmasters for trafic. It will not happen overnite, as much as we might all wish :2 cents:

Out of curiosity... why do you watermark every picture you post?

You ever gonna deliver the traffic we paid for ? or refund us our 500 bucks you stole last year?

until then your opinion means shit!
you do not live up to your side of an agreement ( at least you did not then)

Maybe now you have someone backing you , liked you claimed Yishai was back then. I do not know

However you still owe us $500.00

if you are making such good coin now in your traffic sales, why do you still not pay us the money you owe us?

is that your way of getting even with us for calling you a thief when YOU did not pay?

YOU of all people should talk about that LOL LOL LOL

I still am waiting on you to pay us the $500.00 you STOLE FROM US LAST YEAR WHEN YOU WERE BROKE AND COULD NOT DELIVER ON YOUR PROMISE

Hey, he did spend time to find the pic on Google.. :1orglaugh

kb, this seems to be a recurring theme with companies calling you out and saying you dont produce results, I think you should develop a skills set in something other then "marketting" or get into another industry.

Ouch....

I was'nt trying to be mean, I'am sure he's a great guy and lots of people like him, but this is more like a reality check, if you have been around GFY for a while, he has been called out soo many times on this stuff, Time to Move On.

3k should be jump change for danza if he is doing a couple hundred joins a day

I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict this thread goes to 5 pages.

http://photos1.blogger.com/img/1/145...20-%20limb.jpg

Still haven't heard how much the sponsorship deal was supposed to have cost, nor if Danza intends to make good on that at least.

ADG Webmaster

There's nothing like Convention Week drama.

ooooouch Good luck KB