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leedsfan · 06-10-2005, 09:28 AM

It's called H. R. 1528

If Sensenbrenner?s bill is H.R. 1528 passes the government will demand that citizens ?spy? on their friends, family, co-workers and acquaintances. This bill uses the ?war on drugs? to threaten Americans with being put in prison if they ?don?t? report on others. If anyone fails to report to the police they can be thrown into prison for 2 to 20 years.

The passages from the bill that are most objectionable are--

?SEC. 425. (a) It shall be unlawful for any person who witnesses or learns of a violation of sections 416(b)(2), 417, 418, 419, 420, 424, or 426 to fail to report the offense to law enforcement officials within 24 hours of witnessing or learning of the violation and thereafter provide full assistance in the investigation, apprehension, and prosecution of the person violating paragraph (a).

(b) Any person who violates subsection (a) of this section shall be sentenced to not less than two years or more than 10 years. If the person who witnesses or learns of the violation is the parent or guardian, or otherwise responsible for the care or supervision of the person under the age of 18 or the incompetent person, such person shall be sentenced to not less than three years or more than 20 years.'.?

This terrible threat is exactly what Stalin imposed on citizens of the former USSR when the USSR government demanded that citizens must ?spy? on their friends, family, co-workers, and acquaintances and report all kinds of things to the government. Millions of innocent people were reported to the USSR government for false misdeeds and were sent to USSR concentration camps because of these false reports.

This takes away the right of parents to deal with their own children regarding drug abuse but must report it to the police! If Sensenbrenner?s bill passes it would give the government more control over children than their parents and set family members against each other.

You can get the text of the bill for yourself with a Google search for ?house bill H.R. 1528? or go to

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill...bill=h109-1528

can you say land of the free?

not for much longer.

tony286 · 06-10-2005, 09:31 AM

should offer commission it can be like a affiliate program Govbucks lol

Gawdy · 06-10-2005, 09:34 AM

wow thats scarey a country full of neighbours grassing on each other

ADL Colin · 06-10-2005, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404

should offer commission it can be like a affiliate program Govbucks lol

I like the way you think

Dirty Dane · 06-10-2005, 09:36 AM

There's a major difference between the words spy and witness.

Furious_Male · 06-10-2005, 09:40 AM

Can you imagine all the neighboor disputes escalating just because someone files a report to get them in trouble.

They wouldnt be able to handle the incoming reports in general.

warlock5 · 06-10-2005, 09:41 AM

They were talking about this on Bill O'Reilly last month

And Sensenbrenner is my fucking Representative, I fucking voted libertarian.

tony286 · 06-10-2005, 09:42 AM

It wont go anywhere

leedsfan · 06-10-2005, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

There's a major difference between the words spy and witness.

and what is that?

leedsfan · 06-10-2005, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404

should offer commission it can be like a affiliate program Govbucks lol

that was my first thought.

RuthB · 06-10-2005, 09:43 AM

Wow.. it's a harsher penalty if you're a parent/relative failing to report. I can see why 'theoretically' they'd want to implement something like that - the 'war on drugs' isn't getting any easier, but damn those are some harsh penalties for sure.

'Big brother is watching'

Doctor Dre · 06-10-2005, 09:46 AM

Gotta love the right wings nuts

Ordo · 06-10-2005, 09:50 AM

I dont know, that sounds like some sci-fi shit to me.

You have a society in martial law with a bunch of people trying to save themselves by narcing on their friends. Everyone selling out taking the mark of the beat to remain alive.

It's all just crazy.

chase · 06-10-2005, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

There's a major difference between the words spy and witness.

Perhaps, but when you are obligated to report something you witness or else face prison, the line gets a bit more blurred, no?

Dirty Dane · 06-10-2005, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by leedsfan

and what is that?

Intentionally.

I think everyone should report a crime if they witness it. Too bad there are too many chickens who don't care or dare.
Of course it make it difficult if it is people you know, friends and family, but it still make them criminal. It also depend on the level of crime. I would have no doubts reporting a friend if he abused his kids or did something else terrible.

Forcing people to spy, is forcing people to seek crime scenes. If you don't witness a crime, but something suspicious, there are no existing or proposed laws that tell you to act Sherlock Holmes.

Trax · 06-10-2005, 10:03 AM

sounds like fun living in the land of the free lol

Evil1 · 06-10-2005, 10:05 AM

LOL. fuck off, half the people I know smoke weed like cigs.. they can blow me. Gonna need a jail every 5 miles if they pass that and enforce it.

Fuckin politicans are out of control.

Tom_PM · 06-10-2005, 10:05 AM

So they could toss a teens mom in the klink for failing to report that she caught her teen drinking beer at the family reunion. Awesome.

Mr Pheer · 06-10-2005, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404

It wont go anywhere

and people wont vote for Bush either

yeah, right

Cassie · 06-10-2005, 10:09 AM

wasn't the war on drugs lost a long time ago?

Dirty Dane · 06-10-2005, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by chase

Perhaps, but when you are obligated to report something you witness or else face prison, the line gets a bit more blurred, no?

Yeah sorry I was too fast. I did not read it was drug related.

Sending a parent to jail for trying to help his kid out of problems, instead of reporting it, makes no sense. On the other hand, parents not helping their kids, should not be allowed to have kids.

Btw,I can't see how this is comparable with Stalin. War on drugs was not exactly his motives

Evil1 · 06-10-2005, 10:22 AM

I just emailed the fucker.. asked him if he was senile and told him the only people that deserve a 2-10 year sentence would be anyone voting for him.. think i'll get a reply back?

[email protected] < go wild, just remember not to threaten him in any way or it will come back to bite you in the ass.

Phoenix · 06-10-2005, 10:22 AM

cool stuff..germany had the same thing..oh wat..that's not cool

leedsfan · 06-10-2005, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Yeah sorry I was too fast. I did not read it was drug related.

Sending a parent to jail for trying to help his kid out of problems, instead of reporting it, makes no sense. On the other hand, parents not helping their kids, should not be allowed to have kids.

Btw,I can't see how this is comparable with Stalin. War on drugs was not exactly his motives

you think the war on drugs is the motive in US? if you think that, no doubt you vote for Bush, because you're as gullible as fuck.

you also said:
Too bad there are too many chickens who don't care or dare.
Of course it make it difficult if it is people you know, friends and family, but it still make them criminal.

Now put that to the test. Your younger brother (let's say for arguments sake you have one), steals a pack of pens for college. He could go to jail for a short time, if punished to the full extent of the law, but if you don't tell on him, and you get found out, you get put into jail for way longer, up to 20 years. Does that sound fair or right to you?

leedsfan · 06-10-2005, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Evil1

I just emailed the fucker.. asked him if he was senile and told him the only people that deserve a 2-10 year sentence would be anyone voting for him.. think i'll get a reply back?

[email protected] < go wild, just remember not to threaten him in any way or it will come back to bite you in the ass.

nicely done.

Serge Litehead · 06-10-2005, 12:25 PM

it will not fly.

want to win a war on drugs? - tax it, because no matter what you try, drugs won't go anywhere.

ezrydn · 06-10-2005, 12:26 PM

There are actually TWO big bills coming to Congress next week. You can see both at:

http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/

In the light blue field at the top of the page. Each link will send you to where you can email your Representative/Senator(s) and voice your position. After all, isn't that exactly what Justice Stevens told us to do on Monday? The reason you get legislated against is because you won't stand up AGAINST what you believe is wrong. Don't wait for the "other guy" to fix it for you. Become Pro-Active!

tranza · 06-10-2005, 12:26 PM

Lol... How fucked up is that?

Rich · 06-10-2005, 01:15 PM

America is being turned into the new evil empire and unfortunately 90% of the citizens are too busy watching TV to notice. It's funny to talk to Americans who don't understand why they're still not the "good guys".

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leedsfan leedsfan Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: purgatory Posts: 2,564	A frightening bill goes before congress It's called H. R. 1528 If Sensenbrenner?s bill is H.R. 1528 passes the government will demand that citizens ?spy? on their friends, family, co-workers and acquaintances. This bill uses the ?war on drugs? to threaten Americans with being put in prison if they ?don?t? report on others. If anyone fails to report to the police they can be thrown into prison for 2 to 20 years. The passages from the bill that are most objectionable are-- ?SEC. 425. (a) It shall be unlawful for any person who witnesses or learns of a violation of sections 416(b)(2), 417, 418, 419, 420, 424, or 426 to fail to report the offense to law enforcement officials within 24 hours of witnessing or learning of the violation and thereafter provide full assistance in the investigation, apprehension, and prosecution of the person violating paragraph (a). (b) Any person who violates subsection (a) of this section shall be sentenced to not less than two years or more than 10 years. If the person who witnesses or learns of the violation is the parent or guardian, or otherwise responsible for the care or supervision of the person under the age of 18 or the incompetent person, such person shall be sentenced to not less than three years or more than 20 years.'.? This terrible threat is exactly what Stalin imposed on citizens of the former USSR when the USSR government demanded that citizens must ?spy? on their friends, family, co-workers, and acquaintances and report all kinds of things to the government. Millions of innocent people were reported to the USSR government for false misdeeds and were sent to USSR concentration camps because of these false reports. This takes away the right of parents to deal with their own children regarding drug abuse but must report it to the police! If Sensenbrenner?s bill passes it would give the government more control over children than their parents and set family members against each other. You can get the text of the bill for yourself with a Google search for ?house bill H.R. 1528? or go to http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill...bill=h109-1528 can you say land of the free? not for much longer. __________________ Advertise on Sex2ube.com New Tube Content Packages Save $10K +

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