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  • Paul Markham
    Too old to care
    • Jun 2001
    • 52942

    #1

    Paul Markham's 2257 announcement

    Paul Markham's 2257 announcement.

    Eva and I have discussed this together and with our lawyers. And have come to this conclusion.

    Models are the lifeblood of our company. Customers and affiliates are important but we feel that so long as we can supply the steady stream of quality models, they will continue to buy or promote us. If we stop getting these good models sales and traffic will decrease.

    We also have an agreement with them to not allow the widespread distribution of their IDs.

    Therefore the facility for customers to distribute our Models Ids, real names and details will remain UNACCEPTABLE as it already states on our licenses. We will not alter the license in the future or past licenses.

    This may well cost us clients, however better to lose a few clients than to lose models and gain the reputation of not caring about models safety.

    We have taken some action to assist content store clients who are sponsors wishing to give out softcore image sets to affiliates. These sets SPONSORS SOFTCORE IMAGE SETS are available for sponsors to buy. There will be a limit of 5 licenses sold and then the set will be deleted. This is old content and any client who bought these sets for their own use is welcome to contact me to get the set replaced. If this solution works we will be shooting sets specifically for this section.

    On Bargain Basement Content Store the license will continue to allow distribution of the content to affiliates. However it will still be UNACCEPTABLE to distribute MODELS IDs and details. If this means you can no longer buy from this store then fine.

    Paul Markham Content Store does not allow distribution of content to affiliates, except on the SOFTCORE SETS mentioned above.

    On PAUL MARKHAM TEENS we will give out softcore free content for US affiliates and hardcore free content for non US affiliates. I respect the actions of others sponsors, but this is a US law and I do not see why non US companies and affiliates should be hampered by it. Those targeting US traffic had best get their documentation in order to comply with the law.

    We will also be adding softcore free hosted galleries to the hardcore ones already there. We will also ensure that a gallery is not over exposed, as content producers we can keep a steady flow of unsaturated content on the galleries.

    I appreciate that this law amendment will be tough on many, however we will not put models at risk, break the laws of our country or harm our company and it's employees welfare.



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  • DamageX
    Marketing & Strategy
    • Jun 2001
    • 14293

    #2
    Whitehat is for chumps

    If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

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    • Theo
      HAL 9000
      • May 2001
      • 34515

      #3
      Completely agree. I was sure you wouldn't do the mistake.

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      • Paul Markham
        Too old to care
        • Jun 2001
        • 52942

        #4
        Also as the number of affiliates on www.paulmarkhamteens.com grow we may be using different sets for driving traffic, at the moment it so small it will not effect anyone.

        In the future we don't want any conflict of interest.



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        • flashfreak
          Confirmed User
          • Jun 2002
          • 4396

          #5
          Class act! Reputation and models care first,not money.

          Good move!
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          • Paul Markham
            Too old to care
            • Jun 2001
            • 52942

            #6
            Originally posted by flashfreak
            Class act! Reputation and models care first,not money.

            Good move!
            No it's all about the money.

            I want a steady stream of good models working for us, today and in the future. I also want to be in an industry that is supplying porn featuring the best models possible. If we as an industry start to reveal models identities we all suffer.

            Some may think it's "Get Rich Quick" opportunity. They will learn it's not.



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            • rockbear
              Confirmed User
              • Jul 2003
              • 806

              #7
              A content provider who dosen't want to give us the 2257 with ID'S.? But Paul who will buy your set now? I mean affiliates, link list, SE site, TGP, MPG's who's looking to buy some sets with the 2257 docs, they will buy from a content provider who will give all the info to be compliant you don't think?

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              • Paul Markham
                Too old to care
                • Jun 2001
                • 52942

                #8
                Originally posted by rockbear
                A content provider who dosen't want to give us the 2257 with ID'S.? But Paul who will buy your set now? I mean affiliates, link list, SE site, TGP, MPG's who's looking to buy some sets with the 2257 docs, they will buy from a content provider who will give all the info to be compliant you don't think?
                We have always given the info to our clients, this is about them giving it to their affilaites, did I not make that clear?



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                • ffmihai
                  keep walking...
                  • Jun 2002
                  • 7177

                  #9
                  Originally posted by rockbear
                  A content provider who dosen't want to give us the 2257 with ID'S.? But Paul who will buy your set now? I mean affiliates, link list, SE site, TGP, MPG's who's looking to buy some sets with the 2257 docs, they will buy from a content provider who will give all the info to be compliant you don't think?
                  yeah.. i mean you think you will loose only affew clients?

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                  • ThumbLord

                    #10
                    Paul, I have taken the liberty to put your info at http://www.galleryfillers.com if you want to take a look please.

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                    • rockbear
                      Confirmed User
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 806

                      #11
                      Originally posted by charly
                      We have always given the info to our clients, this is about them giving it to their affilaites, did I not make that clear?
                      Humm Maybe my mistake... So if we buy some hardcore set and that we are not a sponsor, are you gonna give us the right 2257 docs?

                      Thanks for your answer Paul

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                      • diesel
                        Confirmed User
                        • Jan 2001
                        • 1097

                        #12
                        One of the few content providers which was organized with the docs from the start.

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                        • Paul Markham
                          Too old to care
                          • Jun 2001
                          • 52942

                          #13
                          Originally posted by ffmihai
                          yeah.. i mean you think you will loose only affew clients?
                          Not as many clients as we will lose by giving out documents.

                          How hard will it be to get girls to work for the Internet when they find out we are giving documents to people who give them to 1,000s or affiliates?

                          We will suffer and so will you, because the only thing that keeps people paying $29.95 a month is the porn. Start restricting the choice and quaility of models and you will soon discover what is really king in the porn industry PORN.

                          Simply because the porn makes them log onto the Internet so the traffic people can direct them. Do you really want to work in a second rate industry?



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                          • Paul Markham
                            Too old to care
                            • Jun 2001
                            • 52942

                            #14
                            Originally posted by ThumbLord
                            Paul, I have taken the liberty to put your info at http://www.galleryfillers.com if you want to take a look please.
                            Thank you.

                            Humm Maybe my mistake... So if we buy some hardcore set and that we are not a sponsor, are you gonna give us the right 2257 docs?

                            Thanks for your answer Paul
                            Clients get 2257 documents, that are them and them alone. So if you buy, because WE can see who you are we can give you the documents.

                            Sponsors who want content for affilaites can now buy these sets http://www.paulmarkham.com/softcore.php which are on limited sale so as not to saturate the market.



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                            • Kimmykim
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                              • Jun 2001
                              • 16015

                              #15
                              Well, Paul, for once I not only agree with you, I also have no problem saying so on the boards.

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                              • LadyMischief
                                Orgasms N Such!
                                • Sep 2002
                                • 18135

                                #16
                                Stand up job, Paul. I must agree with KimmyKim, we aren't always on the same page, but I'm sending you a virtual slap on the back now

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                                • Terry
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                                  • Jan 2002
                                  • 1604

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by charly
                                  On PAUL MARKHAM TEENS we will give out softcore free content for US affiliates and hardcore free content for non US affiliates. I respect the actions of others sponsors, but this is a US law and I do not see why non US companies and affiliates should be hampered by it. Those targeting US traffic had best get their documentation in order to comply with the law.
                                  My hat goes off to Paul Markham and Eva. Finally someone allows non US affiliates to use hardcore - and admits it to everyone. You bet I will start promoting this site!

                                  Thanks Paul and Eva!!!
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                                  • FilthyRob
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Feb 2004
                                    • 6741

                                    #18
                                    I think moves like this will possibly show the law makers that this new reg about the secondary producer is just adding too much risk to people.
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                                    • Rui
                                      web
                                      • Dec 2001
                                      • 9533

                                      #19
                                      Nice going Paul, wouldn't expect nothing else from you tho

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                                      • NaughtyRob
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                                        • Nov 2004
                                        • 29602

                                        #20
                                        Nice statement Paul.
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                                        • Donny
                                          As you wish...
                                          • May 2002
                                          • 13754

                                          #21
                                          Good Job Paul!

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                                          • tungsten
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                                            • Mar 2004
                                            • 10579

                                            #22
                                            well done Paul
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                                            • KRL
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                                              • Oct 2002
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                                              #23
                                              Its sad to say, but I think once one model becomes a victim because her info was disclosed, the govt will get sued and then go back and rethink this particular requirement.
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                                              • SGS
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                                                • Dec 2002
                                                • 5176

                                                #24
                                                Good move Paul.
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                                                • BradShaw
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                                                  • Oct 2001
                                                  • 7840

                                                  #25
                                                  Models are sheep................. We will be passing out ID's are required by law and as allowed in our model releases.
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                                                  • iwantchixx
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                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                    • 12860

                                                    #26
                                                    Paul, just a heads up. Correct me if I am wrong but if you are selling those softcore sets as ones not needing documentation you should check with your lawyer about it again. Some of them would be in violation without documentation because of the dildo. It's pretty stupid but it's open to be percieved as explicit. Again, correct me if I am wrong.

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                                                    • iwantchixx
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                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                      • 12860

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by KRL
                                                      Its sad to say, but I think once one model becomes a victim because her info was disclosed, the govt will get sued and then go back and rethink this particular requirement.

                                                      hardly, the government don't care if evil porn actresses get killed. It means less family ruining porr out there.


                                                      Think about it.


                                                      It's the perfect way to get models to stop working.

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                                                      • dopeman
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                                                        • Jan 2005
                                                        • 294

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by iwantchixx
                                                        hardly, the government don't care if evil porn actresses get killed. It means less family ruining porr out there.


                                                        Think about it.


                                                        It's the perfect way to get models to stop working.
                                                        all under the guise of 'saving the fucking children'. the idiocy of this country knows no bounds.

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                                                        • Kimmykim
                                                          bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                          • 16015

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Terry
                                                          My hat goes off to Paul Markham and Eva. Finally someone allows non US affiliates to use hardcore - and admits it to everyone. You bet I will start promoting this site!

                                                          Thanks Paul and Eva!!!
                                                          NO ONE is saying that non US affiliates cannot buy their own content from ANY content producer and use it however they wish. This is a content producers decision that is basically the same as Lightspeed, TNACash, etc.

                                                          If the SPONSOR buys the content from Paul Markham, they will get the ids. They CAN NOT give the ids to their affiliates in order to make them compliant. If their affiliates CHOOSE to BUY content from Paul, they will get the ids just like anyone else purchasing would.

                                                          What is so hard to understand about this?

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                                                          • Paul Markham
                                                            Too old to care
                                                            • Jun 2001
                                                            • 52942

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by LadyMischief
                                                            Stand up job, Paul. I must agree with KimmyKim, we aren't always on the same page, but I'm sending you a virtual slap on the back now
                                                            Originally posted by Kimmykim
                                                            Well, Paul, for once I not only agree with you, I also have no problem saying so on the boards.
                                                            I must be on the right track then.



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                                                            • Sly
                                                              Let's do some business!
                                                              • Sep 2004
                                                              • 31377

                                                              #31
                                                              Bargain Basement content is like $5-15 a set. I have tons of it. Any of you affiliates upset that your sponsor can't give you the IDs, go buy the sets so you won't have to take down your sites.

                                                              Though I still am having trouble understanding why content providers are willing to give out IDs for $5, but will not allow sponsors to give them out. Do you really think that $5 fee is enough to separate stalkers with legitimate clients? Yeh, right! Stalkers would be willing to spend 10x that without batting an eyelash.
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                                                              • StuBradley
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                                                                • Jul 2002
                                                                • 2625

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by charly
                                                                ...We also have an agreement with them to not allow the widespread distribution of their IDs.
                                                                You have an agreement with your models and you seem firm in your decision, so why did it take so long to make the announcement?

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                                                                • MaDalton
                                                                  I am Amazing Content!
                                                                  • Feb 2004
                                                                  • 39861

                                                                  #33
                                                                  excellent, paul! we feel exactly the same about this situation and since protecting the girls is the most important part for doing successful business in the future we will follow your example and change our license agreements according to that.
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                                                                  • Paul Markham
                                                                    Too old to care
                                                                    • Jun 2001
                                                                    • 52942

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Sly
                                                                    Bargain Basement content is like $5-15 a set. I have tons of it. Any of you affiliates upset that your sponsor can't give you the IDs, go buy the sets so you won't have to take down your sites.

                                                                    Though I still am having trouble understanding why content providers are willing to give out IDs for $5, but will not allow sponsors to give them out. Do you really think that $5 fee is enough to separate stalkers with legitimate clients? Yeh, right! Stalkers would be willing to spend 10x that without batting an eyelash.
                                                                    We can make some checks on who buys, URLs, email address, credit card they buy with is on record and is checked. If we think something is dodgy we do decline the sale, which is why we do not have instant FTP. I doubt if many sponsors will be checking that closely.

                                                                    But it's not fail safe, few things are. But the difference mainly is in the numbers. If 10 medium size sponsors distribute a set to affilaites how many does that entail? Maybe as few as 1,000.

                                                                    If we sell a set it's unlikely to sell more than 100 times, 50 is a lot closer to the correct figure.

                                                                    Simply a way of reducing the risk, eliminating it would be impossible.

                                                                    You have an agreement with your models and you seem firm in your decision, so why did it take so long to make the announcement?
                                                                    Your lawyers may drop everything for you but ours are a bit busier. Plus I needed time to read the law and think about it. Still not totally clear on it though.

                                                                    However in essence nothing has changed, the license we sold before is still in force and I did not see any immediate need to alter it. This statement just confirms the license.



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                                                                    • ChrisExtreme
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                                                                      • Apr 2004
                                                                      • 993

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Sly
                                                                      Though I still am having trouble understanding why content providers are willing to give out IDs for $5, but will not allow sponsors to give them out. Do you really think that $5 fee is enough to separate stalkers with legitimate clients? Yeh, right! Stalkers would be willing to spend 10x that without batting an eyelash.
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                                                                      • Nydahl
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                                                                        • Sep 2002
                                                                        • 6655

                                                                        #36
                                                                        I don't know Paul
                                                                        Its honest idea and you have my respect for that but your girls are nothing special - means any1 shoot them and each of them is in 3 - 4 agencies around.They will be exposed anyway in few days
                                                                        I consider this 2257situation as a proof of proffesionality - now we have a new rules so models must accept it if they are proffesionals as they say all the time.
                                                                        Its really not easy
                                                                        fuck that damn 2257 is problem in all ways - for everyone
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                                                                        • MaDalton
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                                                                          • Feb 2004
                                                                          • 39861

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by Nydahl
                                                                          I don't know Paul
                                                                          Its honest idea and you have my respect for that but your girls are nothing special - means any1 shoot them and each of them is in 3 - 4 agencies around.They will be exposed anyway in few days
                                                                          I consider this 2257situation as a proof of proffesionality - now we have a new rules so models must accept it if they are proffesionals as they say all the time.
                                                                          Its really not easy
                                                                          fuck that damn 2257 is problem in all ways - for everyone
                                                                          what models are professionals? maybe the ones that do hardcore - but not the pupils or students that do one or two days softcore a month. and you know that a lot of czech girls do that just to get some extra bucks - no way that they are professionals.
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                                                                          • Nydahl
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                                                                            • Sep 2002
                                                                            • 6655

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by MaDalton
                                                                            what models are professionals? maybe the ones that do hardcore - but not the pupils or students that do one or two days softcore a month. and you know that a lot of czech girls do that just to get some extra bucks - no way that they are professionals.
                                                                            thats what I am talking about
                                                                            they are the first to accept this changing situation.
                                                                            No hidden personalities now , no secrets for boyfriends , mothers etc etc
                                                                            You are working in porn biz so get used to the fact that people will know that.
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                                                                            • Paul Markham
                                                                              Too old to care
                                                                              • Jun 2001
                                                                              • 52942

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by Nydahl
                                                                              I don't know Paul
                                                                              Its honest idea and you have my respect for that but your girls are nothing special - means any1 shoot them and each of them is in 3 - 4 agencies around.They will be exposed anyway in few days
                                                                              I consider this 2257situation as a proof of proffesionality - now we have a new rules so models must accept it if they are proffesionals as they say all the time.
                                                                              Its really not easy
                                                                              fuck that damn 2257 is problem in all ways - for everyone

                                                                              Originally posted by MaDalton
                                                                              what models are professionals? maybe the ones that do hardcore - but not the pupils or students that do one or two days softcore a month. and you know that a lot of czech girls do that just to get some extra bucks - no way that they are professionals.
                                                                              You answered it for me.

                                                                              Nydahl you know well that if this gets out in Czech it will stop many girls turning up for castings. They will not accept their IDs being handed out and I suggest you state what will happen to IDs in your model release.

                                                                              Truth is most will skirt around it with vague language and face the storm after the model has moved on. And is telling her friends of what happened, who are telling their friends and so on. This will spread like wild fire in Czech.



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                                                                              • Paul Markham
                                                                                Too old to care
                                                                                • Jun 2001
                                                                                • 52942

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by Nydahl
                                                                                I don't know Paul
                                                                                Its honest idea and you have my respect for that but your girls are nothing special - means any1 shoot them and each of them is in 3 - 4 agencies around.They will be exposed anyway in few days
                                                                                I consider this 2257situation as a proof of proffesionality - now we have a new rules so models must accept it if they are proffesionals as they say all the time.
                                                                                Its really not easy
                                                                                fuck that damn 2257 is problem in all ways - for everyone
                                                                                No you do not shoot all my girls, otherwise I would be buying from you and you would not be telling me you don't shoot teens. You shoot some of them.



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                                                                                • pornguy
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                                                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                                                  • 62910

                                                                                  #41
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                                                                                  • Nydahl
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                                                                                    • Sep 2002
                                                                                    • 6655

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by charly
                                                                                    No you do not shoot all my girls, otherwise I would be buying from you and you would not be telling me you don't shoot teens. You shoot some of them.
                                                                                    I said any1 not ME
                                                                                    anyway I can shoot all of them or close to all of them
                                                                                    doesn't matter at all - I don't shoot them as I am not able to shoot teens the way you do - thats all
                                                                                    Your teen products are good so you shoot them , my teen products sucks so I don't shoot them.
                                                                                    Was nothing to hurt your scouting skills
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                                                                                    • Paul Markham
                                                                                      Too old to care
                                                                                      • Jun 2001
                                                                                      • 52942

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by Nydahl
                                                                                      I said any1 not ME
                                                                                      anyway I can shoot all of them or close to all of them
                                                                                      doesn't matter at all - I don't shoot them as I am not able to shoot teens the way you do - thats all
                                                                                      Your teen products are good so you shoot them , my teen products sucks so I don't shoot them.
                                                                                      Was nothing to hurt your scouting skills
                                                                                      Good point, but I can only be held responsible for our actions, what others do is there decision.

                                                                                      Today if I have time I will remove the facility to distribute our normal Bargain basement content to affiliates. Let them buy the more expensive and less sold Sponsor Sets, other peoples or saturate their custom sets.

                                                                                      I will sell to the affiliates who want unsaturated sets with IDs and paysites who want fresh content inside their sites, that will not get saturated.



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                                                                                      • Oracle Porn
                                                                                        Affiliate
                                                                                        • Oct 2002
                                                                                        • 24433

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        lol what you wrote and what you meant are 2 WHOLE different announcements....

                                                                                        YOU WROTE: I wont be giving ID's

                                                                                        YOU MEANT: I will be giving ID's if you pay me, but you can't give them to your affiliates for free, if they want the ID's, tell them to pay me $5-$15 for the set.


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                                                                                        • Paul Markham
                                                                                          Too old to care
                                                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                                                          • 52942

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Oracle Porn
                                                                                          lol what you wrote and what you meant are 2 WHOLE different announcements....

                                                                                          YOU WROTE: I wont be giving ID's

                                                                                          YOU MEANT: I will be giving ID's if you pay me, but you can't give them to your affiliates for free, if they want the ID's, tell them to pay me $5-$15 for the set.
                                                                                          Yep that's about it, I'm going to make a fortune selling $5 sets to guys who can't afford to buy and take free content that's been out there for years.



                                                                                          Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500.
                                                                                          PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

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                                                                                          • thewebgarage
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Sep 2002
                                                                                            • 1002

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            maybe we can get a refund for the content we can no longer us in the us?
                                                                                            Big Boob trades icq 265907826

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