Was Adam and Eve prosecuted? or did they gain something from contributing from another prosecution? I don't deal with A&E other than a couple of conversations here and there with some of their marketing folks.

Figure out who was prosecuted, who went to jail, and you'll know who I'm talking about :)

They fought for themselves
http://indyweek.com/durham/2001-06-06/cover.html

The irony :upsidedow

it's not a catch 22, it is rather simple actually, sponsors can go at it one way or another, they have a choice.

Choice #1 all nude content stays on the sponsors servers and you link to their pages for free hosted galls, tours, etc, to show the nudity. (IMO nudity is only *required* to sell on TGPS and FHG's can fix that problem.) Don't see why sponsor wont let you "Build your own Gallery" on their server, you upload graphics or select layout, select the pics you want to use and publish it on their server, make your own FHG.

With choice #1 a sponsor could respect the privacy of all the models, which i am sure he told that their info would remain private. At the same time the sponsor still takes care of their affiliates. If the affiliates needs to use nude content in ways that the sponsor can not provide, then whats the big deal in buying your own from a content provider? Someone who has models who are cool with their info being given out to people who purchase their content, not given out freely to thousands who signup as an affiliate.

Choice #2, just do it, give out all the info and say the DOJ made you do it.. which is incorrect and I think opens you up to lawsuits from the models who info you gave out. When the model sues you and your defense is " the DOJ made me do it" the model is going to own your site. Just wait till one of these girls is killed and the guy confesses he got the info by pretending to be an affiliate and signing up to the site. Choice #1 is a pretty obvious choice and not to hard to see that you do have options other then violating the privacy of a model who did not agree to disclosing her info inthe first place.

How can you begin to compare one person selling a business and passing the 2257 docs onto the new owner = giving the model's info to thousands of webmasters because you *think* you need to do it.

In your situation the new owner *needed* the info to continue selling the product her purchased. In the current 2257 situation, it is easy, don;t give your affiliates nude content to use. If they need to use nude content let them link to it on your server.

It is a privacy issue. In your situation (which was a poor comparison) it was pretty obvious that your wife understood the owner of the company needed to have access to her information to keep on file, and just as obvious that would transfer to a new owner. The models who did a photo shot for you were under the same assumptions, that only *you* the owner, would be the only one to see the info, or for that matter *need* to see her info.

NOW if that adult mag gave your wife's info to every gas station and coner store who sold the mag, now that would be a good comparison.

[QUOTE=Lensman]Also, we will not hand it out to any old surfer that joins our program, we will only give it to known long-term webmasters who do this shit for a living.
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I'm afraid you will, because that's what the law requires. It doesn't differentiate between short and long-term Webmasters, nor does it differentiate between those that get sales and those that don't. As soon as a WM puts a Reality Cash picture or banner online, he/she is required to provide documentation. If you as the producer fail to provide said documentation, you could be held liable as well.

Amen to that, will look forward to getting the ID's. :thumbsup

[QUOTE=APN Philip]Thats incorrect. If someone does not have permission to use his nude content, and they download it and use it anyway, he is not required to say "oh well i didn't want you to use it but since you did anyway let me send you those docs so i don't get in trouble."

The law differentiates between people use nudity and people who don't. What lensman was saying was that he would choose who he allows to use the nude pictures. That is his right, and if someone uses it unathorized with his docs, their ass is on the line not his. It is the person who puts the nude picture on their server responsiblity to have the docs, if you don't have the docs then don't use the nude pic, pretty simple guys.

im behind ya lens :)
duke

Makes a lot of sense

Actually he won't.....because he gets to decide which webmasters are allowed to use the hardcore content and promotional materials and which ones aren't.
You are given a limited implied license to use a sponsor's free promotional content and advertising materials, and that license can be rescinded at any time.

If they don't want to give you content and ID's they don't have to, simple as that.

This 2257 is a shit storm. Personally I could never give out ID info on girls that we have shot. It just seems so risky. That is just my take on it though.

I know everyone is trying to figure out the best route to take in a situation with no real good choices... :2 cents:

KK your right the only ones who win are the scum sucking attorneys like always. damn bottom feeders

good thread and good move lens

2nd Pearl in the wrong damn place!

So true...and I'm willing to bet you can count on Lens and the Adult.com team to make it happen :thumbsup

[QUOTE=will76]I think you misread my post or perhaps I worded it incorrectly.

First of all, it's not nudity vs. non-nudity...softcore content for the most part is exempt from the regs (you might want to read up on 2257). As of now, every affiliate has the right to use RC promotional content, softcore or other. I'm obviously not talking about some surfer who downloads RC content and puts it up on the Web. But a surfer isn't a surfer if he joins the program and throws up a gallery...he's an affiliate now. And Lensman is talking about determining which AFFILIATES get access to model documentation and which don't. I was more curious as to what sort of system he will put in place to determine which Webmasters are worthy of hardcore promotion and which aren't. What will be the threshold? 1 sale a week, 2 sales a week, 50?

My point is, where does it say that the more successful you are, the less of a psycho stalker you are? I know pleny of big traffic guys that would probably love to get their hands on a hot model's home address. :(

Look, I have a lot of respect for him and anybody else trying to circumnavigate the system. These new regs suck and I don't think anybody can argue that! :2 cents:

See my last post. I agree, the right can be rescinded at any point. But you can't rescind the right AFTER the fact. I'm assuming Lensman would look at his current affiliate base and determine which can promote hardcore and which can't. Subsequently, all future affiliates would go through a more scrutinized application process. I think it's a great idea, but was just curious whether or not one's level of signups can accurately determine one's level of sanity. Like I said above, I know some big players that are obsessed with some of these models. Conversely, I know some small guys that wouldn't dream of sitting outside a model's window with a pair of binoculars.

Gosh I hope you're right Kimmy. That would make my affiliates' lives a whole lot easier...

You have obviously never seen a real live model release. They sign thier lives away. Try asking them all to comeback to your studio, give the cash back & give em thier ID's back. Not a chance. If the talent was so protective of thier privacy, T H E Y W O U L D N ' T L E T U S T A K E T H I E R P I C T U R E ! ! !

100 :).....

If theres a nickle going for everyone, I to want to be on that gravey train :thumbsup

Its your program..tho I don't agree with your position, the dangers beeing pro or amateur are the same if not bigger in the first one...

Goodluck and all the best tho

Well said.

Adam & Eve is a company that requires model identification to be sent to them, and have required it for years. So if you go to their retail website, they have the model identification for every one of the movies on their site. And i'm sure they're this meticulous in all of their record keeping. Sounds like they have a million reasons to do it.

We still do not advocate releasing the 2257 information to the general public or even to all affilliates. But any promotion of explicit erotica makes it neccessary. And it's the law.