:1orglaugh :winkwink: :1orglaugh

That's fine to question them. Please consult an attorney who specializes in our industry and ask him or her if what I said is correct.

I made this statement after asking my attorney several very specific questions, I left no room for ambiguity.

Only if I can have a copy of the super secret pictures that you're holding for ransom :winkwink:

I would bet 4 out of 5 lawyers would disagree with your lawyer... I know mine does...

Well a plain text reading of the law will give you the same conclusion that we came to.



(1) the term "actual sexually explicit conduct" means actual but not simulated conduct as defined in subparagraphs (A) through (D) of paragraph (2) of section 2256 of this title;

Now we'll look at paragraph 2 of section 2256

(2) ?sexually explicit conduct? means actual or simulated?
(A) sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex;
(B) bestiality;
(C) masturbation;
(D) sadistic or masochistic abuse; or
(E) lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of any person;


Notice that (E) lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of any person; is excluded from the term actually sexually explicit conduct in section 2257.
2257 specifically states that only (A) through (D) are used to determine what sexually explicit conduct is.
Whether they omitted (E) on accident or on purpose, it doesn't matter, they excluded (E)lasivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area.....therefore those depictions are not subject to 2257 record keeping requirements.

I can draw it out on a flow chart or something if you like :winkwink:

Lenny2, I know this decison was probably a pretty tough one to make. ( or easy if your lawyer said DO THIS!) Not only do I support your decision on an ethical level, I thin biz wise you can easily promote BIG TITS without having to put yourself, your models , or you affilaites in an area that is "grey" in anyway.

Good work, and the next time I trip across Big Tit traffic, i'll be sending it your way.

I appreciate that.

Our niche and the amount of time we've been accepting affiliate traffic were two big factors in our decision. We took the route that would be the easiest for us and for our affiliates to be in compliance.

We really have no opinion whatsoever on whether or not a program should release their docs to affiliates. Some will, some won't, and that's just the way it is.
Everyone needs to do what's best for their business, and what's best for my business may not be what's best for someone else's.
Such is life.

:2 cents:

My goodness, quite the pervert you are! Tsk tsk!

Why? Considering MANY sponsors are going this way. So much for 2257 not effecting Euros. Once again how many American affiliates are they going to lose if they had 2 sets of rules? Besides I didn't see where he said affiliates couldn't use hardcore content just not HIS hardcore content. So the onyl difference is that you have to PAY for your content now.

why? are you saying affiliates can't sell a site just because they can't give away hardcore?

Woj where are you?

yoooo Lenny. Are you getting my icq's?
I've got your stuff for you. :winkwink:

Good decision imho

Very true.. seriously though man.. You should provide the docs to WMs that you can "trust"... The only argument against providing them is due to potential "surfers"/"stalkers" signing up and getting the docs... And for those of us that have been in the business for a number of years, it's just silly not to provide them to us. You're in the business to make money. So maximizing your advertising/promotions is in your best interest.

Yes you can. But most sponsors create crap galleries. I haven't looked at yours so can't say, but I prefer galleries designed for the lowest common denominator so I can squeeze every sale out... I despise those that slap them together without much thought to thumbnail cropping and that design for only the broadband customers.

nice move

your doing the right thing :thumbsup if the euro webmasters have problems with it fuck them. do the right thing so its fair to all.

There are alot of different ways to look at this.
What I stated earlier is our current policy. Like all policies they are subject to change.
Once there is some solid case law surrounding this issue we'll revisit our policies. Right now there is very little case law so on most of these issues all you can get from your attorney is an educated guess.
What is clear about this law is what is sexually explicit and what isn't sexually explicit. So the decision we made was based on the clearest points of the law and corresponding regulations.

Does that make sense?

http://www.projectrevenue.com/promo/...ies/index.html

Look at those and tell me if you don't think they're among the best hosted galleries in the biz. (humble aren't I? LOL)
We've made our living the last few years doing nothing but buying listings on TGP's.....converting TGP gallery traffic is our forte.

Also, if you can do volume we have no problem creating custom hosted galls for you, with your recip or whatever else you want on them.

Wow, I have read this thing probably 10 times, and did not notice that they excluded E

I didn't catch it at first either, after someone else told me about it I got on the phone with my attorney right away and he verified that (E) was excluded.

I dont know if this has been answered before, but does anyone know what licking/sucking titties falls under? No genitals, no sex. Is this considered explicit?