Which is exactly how this will affect everyone..what I've been stressing all along.

When you have less webmasters out there submitting, you have less webmasters buying content, less webmasters using servers, less webmasters hiring gallery designers...the B2B effect of this will be interesting to watch play out over the next year.

hey guys
2257 dont affect me at all
there is a lot of canadian good sponsor (PlatinumBucks and StandAhead for exemple)
and btw
i cant comply to the 2257 cause its again the Canadian Privacy Law
so sorry, if a us sponsor dont want my traffic i will send him to another sponsors
you guys should move out of Jesusland

People are jumping on this because it likely suits their own agendas, but a little analysis wouldn't hurt.

The provision of sexually explicit material by a primary producer to a secondary producer - without the required documentation - is itself an offense. The new regulations do not specifically state that this also applies to transactions between secondary producers, but I doubt any lawyer would recommend a client to put himself in the position of potentially needing to defend himself on this technicality. Likewise, I wouldn't want to have to argue that by making content available, I wasn't actually providing it.

So although the effect of Karup applying the same rules to US and non-US affiliates is to keep the playing field level, if they had good legal advice, it was done out of self-interest. That isn't a criticism, just an observation and a suggestion to recognize that US-based sponsors who do not similarly protect themselves could find themselves hosting gentlemen from the DOJ before too long. They might be baskets into which you don't put too many of your eggs.

It happens that I have respected Karups for years, so I'm not bothered by their statement that they will terminate anyone using their hardcore to promote them (unless they are 2257 compliant, which they cannot be unless Karup provide the docs). But that is potentially one heck of a catch-all in the hands of less scrupulous sponsors and we can all think of examples from the past. It will be an even worse idea in future to sign up with a sponsor with carefully reading the fine print.

Finally, we can expect the people who are hoping to see the end of free porn, those who don't want to have to maintain records and the - I suspect very few - with genuine concerns about the models, to applaud this kind of policy. Just don't let their enthusiasm disguise the fact that the only effect of these moves (and therefore of the legislation itself) is to put US sponsors and (most) US webmasters at a disadvantage.

Yes I know we can use softcore to promote hardcore sites (at least so long as the softcore pics don't come from partially hardcore sets and wouldn't the consequences be unpleasant if you didn't realize that's what you were doing and got caught?) and I know we can promote anything with text alone. But that "we" isn't "we" at all... it's "some of us". It takes a special creativity to do either of those things. Some webmasters have it and have always gone that route, but there are a lot of people who will soon discover they don't have the necessary talent. Before you get too caught up in the general hysteria, just recognize that many of those who are cheering on policies such as the one Karup has announced, are doing so because they fully expect a lot less competition in future.

Looks clear to me: Dump Karups.
Respect,

Selio M

ok now we are getting some serious response here, thanks Nydal, Eroswebmaster and jayeff and others.
I am not really worried seriously, but I like to have a plan B, and yes I was planning to get most american sponsors changed for non-americans, the new 2257 just speeded the process, so ........

well... if go to Netherlands, buy some marijuana and smoke it within the Netherlands territory - you do not break any laws... don't you think so? (and it doesn't matter who you are... US or New Zealand citizen)

porn is the same commodity...

if my porn site is located outside the US, I use non US billings and the models are not US citizens - i do not break any US laws... because that porn is sold outside the US territory... so, US laws do not work!

comparing apples to oranges...I don't have time to search out the text but there is text involving this matter directly..that if you want to sell adult related materials to a US market you have to comply.

very well and logicaly said - "if a us sponsor dont want my traffic i will send him to another sponsors"
anyway we all know that its not so simple.
True is that US gov fights hard against you US porn guys but they still like your dirty money/taxes.You should fuck them - they show no respect so why should you

internet is not US market - its the very first "planet earth market "

And yet sponsors, large ones, keep telling me not to worry. As long as I send the joins, they won't ask and don't care. Amazing how money works, no?

Nydahl I do agree it is NOT simple, but heh it can be done, compiling a list of sponsors that have ICQ'ed me ( for myself that is sorry ) it will take some time but again it can be done

interesting

in that case an US citizen will buy porn on the European market

don't mix up the concepts

The internet obviously makes that impossible to enforce. Sitting here in my living room in the UK I cant break US laws, even if I tried.

If I commit an offence against a US citizen from here and we had the same legislation then I could be extradited I think. However, the UK dosnt have any corresponding 2257 legislation. In fact I may even be breaking a few UK privacy laws by complying with 2257!

I am worried about how this will affect the industry as a whole.... but whatever I do I wont be worried about a knock on the door from the FBI.

eroswebmaster,

don't you think you do illegal things when you sell porn to chinese surfers
because porn is illegal in their country? you do not call it chinese market, don't you? i'm sure you call it US market... so, the same is for Europe too

London is so much nicer than lets say Dallas, anyways :)

Read it a few times, and still doesn't make sense...

Care to explain ?

If that was the case. why did you guys switch to explicit in the first place ?

This chadglni dude is such an idiot...

They does not = me. As soon as they see conversions from non explicit they will be converted. My opinion only. ;)

I wouldn't suprised if a few of those big US firm decide to relocate in a more porn friendly country :winkwink:

You can and would be if you sell products to US customers within US borders while not complying with US/UK trade laws and sanctions or if your product did not comply with US law.

I guess it all boils down to the following:

Where exactly is the point of sale in an international ecommerce transaction involving no tangible products -- purchase locale, isp locale, hosting provider locale, payment processor locale, or locale of the media company?

According to the 2257 revision -- the governments contention is the point of sale (as it pertains to US customers purchasing within the US borders) is the US and therefore you are operating as an importer of goods and therefore bound by US law.


Obviously you shouldn't be.

Something tells me that that wouldn't fly internationally and that sellers outside the US that sell to US citizens and never set foot in the US would have very little to worry about.

would be my very first step if my surname is Lightspeed :pimp

by the way, what do you all think about amateur picture posts where all images are submitted by surfers? is it time to die for them?