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http · 06-06-2005, 02:15 PM

Say I make $50k/month as an adult webmaster, then I should be able to do the same in mainstream after a short while?

Right or wrong?

Nismo · 06-06-2005, 02:15 PM

no, you can't do that.

adonthenet · 06-06-2005, 02:16 PM

sooo wrong!

http · 06-06-2005, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nismo

no, you can't do that.

Why is that? Are the mainstream affiliate programs just not that profitable, won't I find the profitable ones, or is mainstream more competitive alltogether, or something else?

Donny · 06-06-2005, 02:17 PM

Where are you getting this rationale from? That's like saying:

"Let's say I make $50k per month selling cars. I should be able to do the same with a booth at the mall, right?"

The two just don't relate. And you didn't stipulate what you'd be selling mainstream just like I didn't stipulate what would be in the booth at the mall.

mrthumbs · 06-06-2005, 02:17 PM

depends on many things

Violetta · 06-06-2005, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by http

Say I make $50k/month as an adult webmaster, then I should be able to do the same in mainstream after a short while?

Right or wrong?

And a guy that makes 50k in mainstream should start with porn!

axelcat · 06-06-2005, 02:18 PM

nopeeeeeeeeee

StuBradley · 06-06-2005, 02:18 PM

I would think not.

xlogger · 06-06-2005, 02:18 PM

hahaha wrong. I did mainstream and adult at the same thing for a while - mainstream was much harder for me for some reason. So i quit that.

nastyking · 06-06-2005, 02:21 PM

wrong. you should make much more

if you are succesful in adult ($ 500+ / day) you can become huge in mainstream ...

please contact me via icq (12-93-93) ...

KRL · 06-06-2005, 02:24 PM

If you have an innovative site idea, sure that's within the realm of possibilities.

http · 06-06-2005, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonovanPhillips

Where are you getting this rationale from? That's like saying:

"Let's say I make $50k per month selling cars. I should be able to do the same with a booth at the mall, right?"

The two just don't relate. And you didn't stipulate what you'd be selling mainstream just like I didn't stipulate what would be in the booth at the mall.

Ok I should have given more details.

Say, 50k with adult SEO compared to 50k with mainstream SEO

Selling adult sites VS selling some mainstream products on the internet

Shoehorn! · 06-06-2005, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by http

Why is that? Are the mainstream affiliate programs just not that profitable, won't I find the profitable ones, or is mainstream more competitive alltogether, or something else?

Mainstream affiliate programs pay like 15% if you're lucky. If you want into mainstream, its probably best to start your own thing.

tony286 · 06-06-2005, 02:29 PM

I worked in mainstream doing traffic , its not like adult . Where you can start building traffic for little to no money, in mainstream it costs bucks. I worked with super affilates guys doing over 250k a month in mainstream. The common thread was they had really good domains and they had been doing since the early days.

nastyking · 06-06-2005, 02:29 PM

advantages of mainstream towards adult:

- huge amount of products/services (in adult you can just sell porn/toys)
- mainstream is more trusted
- branding (promote e.g. blockbuster and profit from their branding)
- high CPA rates on volume traffic

from a publisher's (affiliate) view you can get much bigger in mainstream than adult ...

HarrytheNazi · 06-06-2005, 02:29 PM

which came first, the chicken or the egg?

pradaboy · 06-06-2005, 02:29 PM

adult sales are based on emotion

mainstream sales are more based on reason

http · 06-06-2005, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xlogger

hahaha wrong. I did mainstream and adult at the same thing for a while - mainstream was much harder for me for some reason. So i quit that.

I failed in mainstream twice myself and I am sure not underestimating it

On the other hand, I hear all the time how damn cutting edge us adult webmasters are

So it should be fairly doable to break into mainstream & have success at it?

nastyking · 06-06-2005, 02:31 PM

don't do the failure to work with companies like cj.com though.

join a network that only works with a selected group of approved publishers. this way, the network does not need to deal with fraud and you get much higher rates in return ...

feel free to contact me (icq 12-93-93)

Trax · 06-06-2005, 02:40 PM

*shakeshead*

nastyking · 06-06-2005, 02:44 PM

http - contact me please (icq 12-93-93). normally i'm not that verbose, so catch me fast ..

xlogger · 06-06-2005, 02:44 PM

I like to work with impulse buyers. With porn they get horny and bam pulls out the creadit card. Most mainstream people, i think, are not impulse buyers. It was hard for me for sure. But i was lucky with these freexbox, freeps2 sites where you can get lot of impulse buyers.

Dollarmansteve · 06-06-2005, 02:45 PM

http, check out www.pythonmedia.com .. uniqie mainstream programs, hit me up on ICQ and I can put you in touch with some good people

Steve
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BruceM · 06-06-2005, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoehorn

Mainstream affiliate programs pay like 15% if you're lucky. If you want into mainstream, its probably best to start your own thing.

That's definitely true for most mainstream programs, and I think that is a big deterrent for a lot of adult webmasters to give mainstream a shot. Our new program at http://www.naturesdrugstore.com/ pays 30 - 50%

Rui · 06-06-2005, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pradaboy

adult sales are based on emotion

mainstream sales are more based on reason

not really...

very wrong actualy

taibo · 06-06-2005, 02:51 PM

see sig ;)

mrthumbs · 06-06-2005, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pradaboy

adult sales are based on emotion

mainstream sales are more based on reason

99% of all online sales are based on emotion. No matter what product.

nastyking · 06-06-2005, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BruceM

That's definitely true for most mainstream programs, and I think that is a big deterrent for a lot of adult webmasters to give mainstream a shot. Our new program at http://www.naturesdrugstore.com/ pays 30 - 50%

(edited) .........

pstation · 06-06-2005, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoehorn

Mainstream affiliate programs pay like 15% if you're lucky. If you want into mainstream, its probably best to start your own thing.

that's usually because real products are being sold, rather than virtual goods so their profit margins aren't that high.

but, back on subject, mainstream isn't very hard if you've got something useful and unique to offer, it's not as trivial as submitting galleries. I also see it as being more stable in the long run, with the way things with 2257 and .xxx have been going, who knows where porn will be 5-10 years from now.

FilthyRob · 06-06-2005, 03:02 PM

I don't think it's as easy

chowda · 06-06-2005, 03:11 PM

i just sold a trip on expedia. 80buxs commish, crazy

$5 submissions · 06-06-2005, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by http

Say I make $50k/month as an adult webmaster, then I should be able to do the same in mainstream after a short while?

Right or wrong?

Speaking from the perspective of a company that phased in to Mainstream over 6 months after being in adult outsourcing/webmastering, I can share that it won't happen OVERNIGHT. However, you should have enough skills to get there faster than if you were starting with no webmaster experience. Regardless, being in mainstream, you'll probably overshoot that goal if your traffic generation and traffic filter making skills have been honed/sharpened in adult. While mainstream filters and traffic sources need a lot of sharpening to match their particular product verticals, the mindset and skillset of knowing how to sell online is definitely portable. Adult background + WIDE mainstream market = $ Just my

$5 submissions · 06-06-2005, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nastyking

advantages of mainstream towards adult:

- huge amount of products/services (in adult you can just sell porn/toys)
- mainstream is more trusted
- branding (promote e.g. blockbuster and profit from their branding)
- high CPA rates on volume traffic

from a publisher's (affiliate) view you can get much bigger in mainstream than adult ...

Exactly. Plus if you have the infrastructure to build dozens of quality feeder mainstream sites a week, you're looking at a LOT of residual targetted traffic. The key is to find a product partner that is not saturated.

Greg B · 06-06-2005, 03:31 PM

There are soooo many variables at play here it's too small a forum to go through it all.

The big mainstreamers today are the same guys who were big before the web. They just either adapted their progams to the web or used other's tactics and adapted them to the web.

It's all bullshit but it's layered like it's legit.

The name of the game is how much overhead do you expend to bullshit someone else into buying or supporting your products and services.

Every fucking day there's a new 'diet thingie' and guess what? The fuckers sell like hotcakes. Every day there's a new 'how to do real estate' or 'how to straighten out your bratty kids' or 'how to attract that ideal lover'. These are the same horseshit scams people have been selling since the first fucking day money was invented.

You guys should see the shit they sell online in other countries. A great one in Chinese are of course luck charms, love charms, aphrodisiacs. All you gotta do is run a bullshit ad that shows some ugly dude posing with some hot looking chicks and some lame ass testimonials and lo and behold it's selling like mad.

Each culture has it's sucker tags. Just find one.

As for porn vs mainstream I look at it as with porn you're selling to the Flintstones, with mainstream you're selling to the Jetsons.

Get it? All can be explained with Sesame Street logic.

The 'caveman' in us is buying or the 'spaceman' in us is buying. Long as you know that and work that way you will be a success.

The bottom line is 'you' have to make as much money as possible as fast as possible and as reliable as possible so you and your loved ones and friends have enough shielding and cushioning from the violent, criminal shit heel asswipes that make up the human population.

Sure it would be nifty if society was filled with responsible individuals bent on doing neato stuff but just a glance at the daily headlines bears different.

Mainstream success? Simple: LIE like a mother fucker about something ordinary or something that is total bullshit and you will rule.

Work under someone and you will be totally fucked.

Just visit some of the MLM chat boards. They make us pornmeisters look like the Queen's Royal Ethical Marketeers!

I have yet, I repeat YET to see a mainstream program that gives as much in ratio to overhead and input as pornmeistering and I know some of if not the top 10 web marketers in the world.

orign8or · 06-06-2005, 03:42 PM

Alienq says

"Ialien LLC has sealed 2 deal's with two very large mainstream media companies since being banned from GFY and is in Talks with a huge Adult/Mainstream company."

He also says business in mainstream design requires more than the typical neanderthal approach most adult design firms exhibit.

Alienq Also says he will be hiring soon looking for pure creationists not robots.

NTSS · 06-06-2005, 03:43 PM

Wrong!........

tranza · 06-06-2005, 04:02 PM

I don't think so.... Different traffic sources....

MetaMan · 06-06-2005, 04:03 PM

just buy beast spots on sleasycream and you will make 50k twice as fast.

woj · 06-06-2005, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg B

Mainstream success? Simple: LIE like a mother fucker about something ordinary or something that is total bullshit and you will rule.

heh, that's some great advice..

V_RocKs · 06-06-2005, 04:38 PM

Porn rules!

wjxxx · 06-06-2005, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetaMan

just buy beast spots on sleasycream and you will make 50k twice as fast.

Kevsh · 06-06-2005, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pradaboy

adult sales are based on emotion

mainstream sales are more based on reason

I see your meaning, but you are way, way off in that you are clumping all mainstream together ... there are a LOT of mainstream sales that are based on emotion, not reason. Not just the products but from the sites they shop at too.

washiez · 06-06-2005, 05:32 PM

are there any good music places to push that pay out fairly often offer good comissions? Tryin to branch out a bit myself..

nastyking · 06-06-2005, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by washiez

are there any good music places to push that pay out fairly often offer good comissions? Tryin to branch out a bit myself..

allcoolmusic paying $18 per new member

washiez · 06-06-2005, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nastyking

allcoolmusic paying $18 per new member

Thanks that sounds good. They are pretty reliable?

nastyking · 06-06-2005, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by washiez

Thanks that sounds good. They are pretty reliable?

i don't promote them myself. nor would i promote them directly.

promote them through a reliable network. that way you can make sure to receive timely payments and always get the highest rates.

don't know a good mainstream network? hit me up (icq 12-93-93)

pr0 · 06-06-2005, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pradaboy

adult sales are based on emotion

mainstream sales are more based on reason

emotion or the insinct to mate?

Greg B · 06-06-2005, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevsh

I see your meaning, but you are way, way off in that you are clumping all mainstream together ... there are a LOT of mainstream sales that are based on emotion, not reason. Not just the products but from the sites they shop at too.

He's not that far off. What sells on mainstream are products and services that repair fuck ups in our lives.

Fat loss, baldness, soft dick, small tits, too much hair, shortness, too tall, bad credit, no credit, he/she won't fall in love with me, not enough money, ugliness, rotten kids, bad teeth, how to pay for bad teeth, medical problems, medical bills, hair dyes, repairing houses because they're too dumb to move away from the flood plains, divorce, alimony, child support, needing a lawyer, car is fucked up etc. etc.

To make money you have to focus on what we fucked up or what we allowed to fuck us up and then sell a cure, treatment or service.

Online porn does just that. Before Viagra there was nutrition, excercise and PORN.

Getting people horny is a time honored tradition. Most of mankind wouldn't be here without it.

Terry · 06-06-2005, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

http, check out www.pythonmedia.com .. uniqie mainstream programs, hit me up on ICQ and I can put you in touch with some good people

Steve
284114006

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nastyking Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 2,174	wrong. you should make much more if you are succesful in adult ($ 500+ / day) you can become huge in mainstream ... please contact me via icq (12-93-93) ... __________________

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Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	Where are you getting this rationale from? That's like saying: "Let's say I make $50k per month selling cars. I should be able to do the same with a booth at the mall, right?" The two just don't relate. And you didn't stipulate what you'd be selling mainstream just like I didn't stipulate what would be in the booth at the mall.

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nastyking Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 2,174	don't do the failure to work with companies like cj.com though. join a network that only works with a selected group of approved publishers. this way, the network does not need to deal with fraud and you get much higher rates in return ... feel free to contact me (icq 12-93-93) __________________

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Greg B So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: EARTH (for the time being) Posts: 7,014	There are soooo many variables at play here it's too small a forum to go through it all. The big mainstreamers today are the same guys who were big before the web. They just either adapted their progams to the web or used other's tactics and adapted them to the web. It's all bullshit but it's layered like it's legit. The name of the game is how much overhead do you expend to bullshit someone else into buying or supporting your products and services. Every fucking day there's a new 'diet thingie' and guess what? The fuckers sell like hotcakes. Every day there's a new 'how to do real estate' or 'how to straighten out your bratty kids' or 'how to attract that ideal lover'. These are the same horseshit scams people have been selling since the first fucking day money was invented. You guys should see the shit they sell online in other countries. A great one in Chinese are of course luck charms, love charms, aphrodisiacs. All you gotta do is run a bullshit ad that shows some ugly dude posing with some hot looking chicks and some lame ass testimonials and lo and behold it's selling like mad. Each culture has it's sucker tags. Just find one. As for porn vs mainstream I look at it as with porn you're selling to the Flintstones, with mainstream you're selling to the Jetsons. Get it? All can be explained with Sesame Street logic. The 'caveman' in us is buying or the 'spaceman' in us is buying. Long as you know that and work that way you will be a success. The bottom line is 'you' have to make as much money as possible as fast as possible and as reliable as possible so you and your loved ones and friends have enough shielding and cushioning from the violent, criminal shit heel asswipes that make up the human population. Sure it would be nifty if society was filled with responsible individuals bent on doing neato stuff but just a glance at the daily headlines bears different. Mainstream success? Simple: LIE like a mother fucker about something ordinary or something that is total bullshit and you will rule. Work under someone and you will be totally fucked. Just visit some of the MLM chat boards. They make us pornmeisters look like the Queen's Royal Ethical Marketeers! I have yet, I repeat YET to see a mainstream program that gives as much in ratio to overhead and input as pornmeistering and I know some of if not the top 10 web marketers in the world.

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