Dude Cryogenically Freezes Engine Parts Gets 120mpg

[Greg B]

Freezing gas prices
May 25, 2005, 08:11 AM Email to a Friend Printer Friendly Version

David Hutchinson with his cryogenically enhanced hybrid Honda. (Photo: KFOR-TV-DT)


ALI MEYER REPORTING

Americans guzzle 65 billion gallons of fuel a year and lately we have been paying a pretty penny at the pump. NewsChannel 4 has done reports in the past on how to get the most out of your gas. Now we introduce you to a new way to save on those gasoline dollars.

There is a man who fills up his tank once every two months. One tank of gas, literally, lasts him two months. He is freezing the price of gas by freezing something else.

People complain about the price of gas and we are all spending dearly to stay on the road these days. The money we spend on gas seems to burn up faster than the fuel.

While there may be little rhyme or reason to why the prices are on a perpetual roller-coaster, there is one man who has found a way to freeze them in their tracks, literally.

David Hutchison is a Cryogenics expert. He built this Cryo-Process himself. He runs a business out of his garage where he cryogenically tempers all kinds of metals. He submerges them in a frozen tank of nitrogen vapor that is 300 degrees below zero.

David says, ?During that time, at minus 300 degrees, the molecules slow down. Then they reorganize themselves. That's when the actual chemical change happens.?

Hutchison cryogenically tempers machine parts, tools, golf clubs and even razors. He says it makes them last three to five times longer.

A few years ago he began an experiment on his hybrid Honda, freezing the engine components. The results were a fuel-efficiency dream.

David Hutchison says, ?You should expect a ?Cryo'd? engine to last anywhere from 600,000 to 1 million miles without wearing out.?

A hybrid Honda typically gets really great gas mileage anyway, around 50 miles to the gallon, but David Hutchison's cryogenically tempered engine has been known to get close to 120 miles a gallon.

?It's just a very efficient vehicle.? Hutchison says,

Racers have picked up on David's trick of cryogenically freezing car parts. It is now widely accepted among NASCAR and Indy-car racers.

Hutchison has no plans of taking his Honda to the track. His prize is in his pocketbook.

David says, ?I thought about selling it, but gas prices keep going up. So, I thought, I'm not going to sell it.?

Hutchison tells us cryogenically tempering car parts has more benefits than just fuel efficiency. He freezes all of the brake rotors at a car dealership near his home in Missouri. It makes them last three to five times longer.

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[Harmon]

They fail to mention that idiot's electric bill is $14,000+ per month

[Veterans Day]

fuck i get 9-11mpg

[BV]

I have a .308 with a cryogenically tempered barrel.
Tempered barrels shoot straighter and last longer

[Shoplifter]

I cryo all the cables on my hi fi. Much more dynamic sound.

[Walrus]

Didn't they recently recall a bunch of hybrid cars becuase they were turning off? I forget which make.

[tranza]

Wow, that's amazing...

[fuelcell]

it always amazes me how long it takes for news to appear on GFY as, well, news - in this case at least 3 days

[iwantchixx]

Ic all horseshit. How can rearanging molecules change fuel consumptions? An engine is mechanical, not molecular. The parts are all shaped the same after freezing.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by iwantchixx

Ic all horseshit. How can rearanging molecules change fuel consumptions? An engine is mechanical, not molecular. The parts are all shaped the same after freezing.

Metals break down. Do you think metal engine parts stay in pristine shape forver?

[Spunky]

Pigshit...snakeoil

[xenigo]

Do you have a link to the original article? Man I want to study this shit more.

[wedouglas]

they source doesn't seem reputable. besides, how can altering the metals molecular organization effect fuel efficiency? they still do exactly the same thing and nothing is happening to the fuel.

[Big Fish 47]

My mom owns a crogenic business. If anyone has any questions, let me know. #162994693

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Big Fish 47

My mom owns a crogenic business. If anyone has any questions, let me know. #162994693

And how is business doing for you mom?

[Big Fish 47]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

And how is business doing for you mom?

fine - thanks for asking

[iwantchixx]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Metals break down. Do you think metal engine parts stay in pristine shape forver?

So what? Even at pristine shape (brand new) the MPG is the same as specified by the manufacturer. Does freezing it make it in "better" shape than brand new shape?

No.

he did other mods and isn't saying what they are,

[Shoehorn!]

Anyone want to be VP of my new car company that builds cars out of cryogenically frozen metal?

[BV]

Originally Posted by wedouglas

they source doesn't seem reputable. besides, how can altering the metals molecular organization effect fuel efficiency? they still do exactly the same thing and nothing is happening to the fuel.

because all parts of an engine expand from heat and warp and flex from all the forces that are involved. if you can alter the metalergy where these changes are minimized you can build an engine with more precise tighter clearances thus resulting in higher fuel economy

as for a rifle barrel, with each shot the barrel heats up and changes shape as it expands, if you can control that better you will get much tighter patterns. for some it makes the difference of putting 3 or 4 rounds in the same hole at several hundred yards.

[Big Fish 47]

Taken from my mom's website:

Why should you use motorsport cryogenics?

-head is not prone to crack
-improvement in compression, fuel economy, engine vibration, and transmission shifting
-increases durability
-able to run tighter tolerances on all of the engine specs
-expansion and contraction in the engine from heating and cooling are now controllable
-oil blow-by drastically reduced
-increases in horsepower
-can run hotter temperature without any adverse effect
-no more warping or distortion of the engine components
-releases stress and stabilizes the metal
-cylinder and pistons will stay round and the ring will get a good binding seal
-heads stay flat
-cranks last longer
-can run significantly more races between rebuilds

[Muff]

This sounds like a similar process to hardening steel. Except using cryogenics is an extreme case.

[Muff]

Originally Posted by Big Fish 47

Taken from my mom's website:

Why should you use motorsport cryogenics?

-head is not prone to crack
-improvement in compression, fuel economy, engine vibration, and transmission shifting
-increases durability
-able to run tighter tolerances on all of the engine specs
-expansion and contraction in the engine from heating and cooling are now controllable
-oil blow-by drastically reduced
-increases in horsepower
-can run hotter temperature without any adverse effect
-no more warping or distortion of the engine components
-releases stress and stabilizes the metal
-cylinder and pistons will stay round and the ring will get a good binding seal
-heads stay flat
-cranks last longer
-can run significantly more races between rebuilds

Ask your mom how much harder it is to machine materials that have been cryogenicaly altered. I would think it would be very difficult since we don't see it used wide spread.

[TexasDreams]

Originally Posted by Big Fish 47

Taken from my mom's website:

Why should you use motorsport cryogenics?

-head is not prone to crack
-improvement in compression, fuel economy, engine vibration, and transmission shifting
-increases durability
-able to run tighter tolerances on all of the engine specs
-expansion and contraction in the engine from heating and cooling are now controllable
-oil blow-by drastically reduced
-increases in horsepower
-can run hotter temperature without any adverse effect
-no more warping or distortion of the engine components
-releases stress and stabilizes the metal
-cylinder and pistons will stay round and the ring will get a good binding seal
-heads stay flat
-cranks last longer
-can run significantly more races between rebuilds

They've been doing this in Formula-1 for quite some time now.

Oh, and your name seems strangely familiar.

[MrJackMeHoff]

I dont think freezing an engine will get 3x the mileage thats fucking stupid.

[Greg B]

This goes back to basics. How metals are cooled can be all the difference in the world! How they're heated/forged too.

Cryogenically freezing something condensces the spaces tween the molecular chains making it tighter that's all. Tighter means stronger and can survive the wear and tear of tension, heat, shock.

It's simple stuff.

[Big Fish 47]

Originally Posted by Muff

Ask your mom how much harder it is to machine materials that have been cryogenicaly altered. I would think it would be very difficult since we don't see it used wide spread.

As far as I know, it's no different to machine them because it actually "Relaxes internal stresses".

I'm no expert though.

[jmk]

I cryo'ed my penis, hurt like hell but now I can shoot 1 mile

[OzMan]

Originally Posted by Greg B

...It's simple stuff.

Admit it, you knew nothing about this until the Aliens abducted you and showed you their plasma drive manufacturing process.

[Greg B]

Here's another article on cryogenics and why I like Toshiba...sometimes. I truly think Toshiba is run by alien scientists.

http://www.nanotechweb.org/articles/news/4/6/4/1
Quantum dot creates single photon source
3 June 2005

Experiments in quantum communications and computing could be about to get much easier thanks to the development of a semiconductor source of single photons at the telecoms window of 1.3 µm.


Quantum dots
The quantum-dot based device was announced at last week?s CLEO/QELS conference in Baltimore, US. It has been developed by scientists from Toshiba Research Europe and the University of Cambridge, UK.

To date, single photon sources are notoriously difficult to build and rely on either heavily attenuating a laser or exciting single atoms. The drawback is that these schemes are often complex and it can be hard to prevent multiple photons being emitted.

In contrast, Toshiba?s quantum-dot emitter reliably generates single photons on demand when excited by short optical pulses. In addition, the semiconductor approach is potentially compatible with electrical pumping and should be much easier to package and commercialize.

"In terms of suppressing multiple photon generation, we?ve achieved an order of magnitude below what you get from a laser," said Martin Ward, a member of the research team from Toshiba Research Europe. "There are other ways of generating single photons, like down-conversion, but this is the first time that strong [multiple photon] suppression from a quantum-dot type source has been demonstrated at telecom wavelengths."

In order to ensure that single photons could be isolated and directed into an optical fibre, the team had to learn how to fabricate sparsely populated fields of InAs/GaAs quantum dots, each 45 nm in diameter and 10 nm high. The dots were grown by molecular beam epitaxy on a GaAs substrate at a temperature of about 500 °C.

After fabrication, a long-wavelength dot is embedded inside a pillar microcavity consisting of two mirrors (distributed Bragg reflectors) and an optical filter is applied to block emission from any surrounding dots of a smaller size.

At the moment, the source operates at cryogenic temperatures but the Cambridge team is confident that this can be raised to more practical levels. "The results in the paper are taken at 5 K and 30 K, but the long wavelength dots should also emit at higher temperatures - we?ve seen photoluminescence up to 200 K," Ward told Optics.org. "We certainly don?t envisage using cryrogenic liquids to cool any future commercial devices."

About the author
Oliver Graydon is editor of Optics.org and Opto & Laser Europe magazine.

[Big Fish 47]

"Most engine builders tear down 2-cycles after 300 laps" .... "I recently tore down a 250 2-cycle after 1,800 laps and found that I could measure no cylinder wear, no ring wear and only 1/1000th piston wear....The engines I have had Cryo-treated at XXX have consistently out performed identical non-treated engines."

[OzMan]

Originally Posted by Big Fish 47

As far as I know, it's no different to machine them because it actually "Relaxes internal stresses".

I'm no expert though.

Great stuff, you have a cool Mom to be into this cutting edge technology.

There's a whole industry out there and I 'd never even heard of it. Cryogenics yes, but this is a great specific practical application

[swedguy]

I don't get how it can improve it with more than 3 times compared to a brand new engine.

[Big Fish 47]

Originally Posted by swedguy

I don't get how it can improve it with more than 3 times compared to a brand new engine.

Because it changes the structure of the metal. Less friction

[Mr. Marks]

Originally Posted by Harmon

They fail to mention that idiot's electric bill is $14,000+ per month

Or his supply bills for the liquid nitro. Must NOT be cheap.

[L-Pink]

Should I call my X ..... A cryogenically enhanced pussy sounds much better than "frigid" ......

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Harmon

They fail to mention that idiot's electric bill is $14,000+ per month

for the car:

"The question I get asked the most is how much is my electric bill," said Temkin, the Prius owner, adding that a common misconception about hybrid cars is that they must be plugged into a wall socket to recharge. The Prius generates electricity when the brakes are applied.

for the cryogenic cooler:

Rated power consumption 1.8/1.9kW (50/60Hz)

i would say his power consumption isn't much more than adding a couple more refrigerators or deep freezers in your home.....hope that helps

[Greg B]

Here're some neat links that get to the point with additional commentary by pros.

Essay on Cryo and metals

http://www.300below.com/site/cuttingtool.html

Cryogenics to gunsmithing

http://www.nfa.ca/cfj-archive/miscel...e-barrels.html

http://www.300below.com/site/shotgunsports.html

Companies

http://www.cryointegrity.com/methods.html

Message board:

http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.c...=112765&page=1

[Greg B]

Yo, I ALWAYS stay on top of latest technologies. That's why I'm laughing all the time cause I know what's around the corner. What amazes me is great things were discovered in the early 1900's that have yet to hit the mainstream cause their inventors got shot, hanged, jailed.

We should have been 'The Jetsons' by now but because of greed and criminality and bigotry it ain't gonna happen for some time to come.

[Love Brokers]

Originally Posted by spunky

Pigshit...snakeoil

Add balloon juice to your equation

[EviLGuY]

Yeah it sounds like a scam to me. Would be nice if true though.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Shoehorn

Anyone want to be VP of my new car company that builds cars out of cryogenically frozen metal?

are you going to be the cryogenically preserved head of the company ??

[Tipsy]

Originally Posted by Big Fish 47

Because it changes the structure of the metal. Less friction

It still wouldn't even come close to improving effeciency by 3 times though. That's simply bullshit and shows a lack of knowledge about the basic working of a car and engine. It would improve certainly but not even close to 3x by hardening alone.

Wonder if car manufacturers will ever take it up as standard on all engines? Do they actually want engines lasting that much longer so that people keep their cars longer?

[Major (Tom)]

what this guy wastes in money keeping liguid nitrogen far surpasses the extra 40 cents a gallon.
Duke

[swedguy]

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

what this guy wastes in money keeping liguid nitrogen far surpasses the extra 40 cents a gallon.
Duke

Wouldn't you just cryo (or whatever you call it) the engine once?

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by Big Fish 47

My mom owns a crogenic business. If anyone has any questions, let me know. #162994693

I have a question...WTF is a "crogenic" business?

Learn to spell what you are talking about if you want people to take you seriously.

[jacked]

i wish i got somewhere near 120 mpg thas ridiculous i'm lucky if i get 12-15 mpg

[Big Fish 47]

Originally Posted by AaronM

I have a question...WTF is a "crogenic" business?

Learn to spell what you are talking about if you want people to take you seriously.

Sorry I forgot the "y" - should be cryogenic.

I'm sure you've never mis-spelled anything.

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by Big Fish 47

Because it changes the structure of the metal. Less friction

Big Fish, hit me up on ICQ

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by Tipsy

It still wouldn't even come close to improving effeciency by 3 times though. That's simply bullshit and shows a lack of knowledge about the basic working of a car and engine. It would improve certainly but not even close to 3x by hardening alone.

Wonder if car manufacturers will ever take it up as standard on all engines? Do they actually want engines lasting that much longer so that people keep their cars longer?

Here're some neat links that get to the point with additional commentary by pros.

Essay on Cryo and metals

http://www.300below.com/site/cuttingtool.html

Cryogenics to gunsmithing

http://www.nfa.ca/cfj-archive/misce...le-barrels.html

http://www.300below.com/site/shotgunsports.html

Companies

http://www.cryointegrity.com/methods.html

Message board:

http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread....d=112765&page=1

[dready]

Could this be done to any production vehicle? What would it cost to have my engine parts 'cryo'd'?