J$TYLE$, Dot XXX and ICM Registry (Let some more drama begin) - GoFuckYourself.com

J$tyle$ · 06-02-2005, 11:19 PM

White Paper on .XXX Domains by Jason Hendeles
President, ICM Registry, Inc.
http://www.icmregistry.com/

March 7, 2001

http://www7.nationalacademies.org/it...tepaper_7.html

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Recently, ICM Registry retained Jonathan Silverstein, former President of Cybererotica; one of the Internet's top-five adult-content providers, to build consensus support within the adult industry. Mr. Silverstein reinforced this concern that ?any attempt to limit free speech will inspire an eruption of First Amendment challenges.? Supreme Court Justice O'Connor, while noting that ?the creation of 'adult zones' is by no means a novel concept ?and that? states have long denied minors access to certain establishments frequented by adults,? pointed out in the course of her partial dissent to the court's rejection of the Communication Decency Act that, while the court had previously sustained such zoning laws, it did so ?only if they respected the First Amendment rights of both adults and minors.? [4] That is to say, a zoning law could be held valid only if adult access was not unduly restricted, and minors themselves had no First Amendment rights to read or view the banned material in question.

Back in late 2000 and early 2001 I was contracted as a consultant for ICM Registry.

Jason made quite an impassioned argument for what he was trying to accomplish regarding "child safety" on the web, and I believed it was a good idea at the time for the industry at large to take the initiative and proactively be responsibile when it came to disallowing children from viewing adult oriented material on the web.

In theory, the idea was for the industry to self regulate volountarily as a premptive strike before the government came in and forced regulation upon us made rational sense.

Of course, from a business standpoint it was a brilliant idea as well. Surfers would definitely type in and remember .xxx if they were going to look for a sex site. As a TLD it would be much more valuable to webmasters than .net, .org, tv etc.

Please understand that this was always proposed to me (and in general) to support voluntary participation by webmasters -- with no requirement to ever give up their .coms, and although it may sound NAIVE - because of First Ammendment protections ... the adult business would be able to remain untouched or unaffected by government regulation. It was my belief that this TLD would highly benefit webmasters by allowing for more targeted exposure to QUALIFIED SURFERS specifically looking for .XXX type sites and we would be able to more effectively block children from viewing adult material.

Times have changed and obviously the government has changed drastically. What seemed to be a great idea at the time may not seem so now, and I understand the fear and anger many of you feel presently over this.

Before I'm lambasted, I just want it stated for the record that I believed in the good it could do and it was a sound business model if executed properly.

421Fill · 06-02-2005, 11:22 PM

I sure hope this doesn't happen and the ISPs start blocking .xxx by default to gain a good 'community image' yikes...

XPays · 06-02-2005, 11:23 PM

sig spotttt

421Fill · 06-02-2005, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by XPays

sig spotttt

hehehe, I do believe I beat you to it. ; )

XPays · 06-02-2005, 11:26 PM

this thread is worthless without

Jim Neil · 06-02-2005, 11:27 PM

No kidding -- setting up .xxx would hurt alot of us.

boner 2.0 · 06-02-2005, 11:27 PM

whoa.

.xxx = stinks

tradermcduck · 06-02-2005, 11:36 PM

This statement is from 2001 ... pre Nipplegate ... 4 years ago I thought the U.S. is the land of freedom - damn was I wrong

newbreed · 06-02-2005, 11:39 PM

Some good points raised here, nice job J.

WiredGuy · 06-03-2005, 12:04 AM

Sig spot!
WG

datatank · 06-03-2005, 12:08 AM

See *****Dog*****

martyVP · 06-03-2005, 12:09 AM

what the fuck is going on?

infecto · 06-03-2005, 12:10 AM

Well it is a good idea business wise if there was no fear of the government stepping in. I mean having .xxx TLD would me the surfer was looking for porn. Could help catch more pedos and overall keep the business safer from government intervention like you said. But times have changed =(

Major (Tom) · 06-03-2005, 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J$tyle$

White Paper on .XXX Domains by Jason Hendeles
President, ICM Registry, Inc.
http://www.icmregistry.com/

March 7, 2001

http://www7.nationalacademies.org/it...tepaper_7.html

Back in late 2000 and early 2001 I was contracted as a consultant for ICM Registry.

Jason made quite an impassioned argument for what he was trying to accomplish regarding "child safety" on the web, and I believed it was a good idea at the time for the industry at large to take the initiative and proactively be responsibile when it came to disallowing children from viewing adult oriented material on the web.

In theory, the idea was for the industry to self regulate volountarily as a premptive strike before the government came in and forced regulation upon us made rational sense.

Of course, from a business standpoint it was a brilliant idea as well. Surfers would definitely type in and remember .xxx if they were going to look for a sex site. As a TLD it would be much more valuable to webmasters than .net, .org, tv etc.

Please understand that this was always proposed to me (and in general) to support voluntary participation by webmasters -- with no requirement to ever give up their .coms, and although it may sound NAIVE - because of First Ammendment protections ... the adult business would be able to remain untouched or unaffected by government regulation. It was my belief that this TLD would highly benefit webmasters by allowing for more targeted exposure to QUALIFIED SURFERS specifically looking for .XXX type sites and we would be able to more effectively block children from viewing adult material.

Times have changed and obviously the government has changed drastically. What seemed to be a great idea at the time may not seem so now, and I understand the fear and anger many of you feel presently over this.

Before I'm lambasted, I just want it stated for the record that I believed in the good it could do and it was a sound business model if executed properly.

It's definatley not a good idea now. And how it seems on paper is that a select few will litterally monopolize the net. Which, if everything else fails, maybe an anti trust lawsuit is our answer. I catergorically belive that anyone who supports this is linning up the proverbial nail and the hammer is about to drop. Not to mention the "self policing" thing is scary. Especially when someone involved in this "debacle" wants to make the net into a softcore shindig. Allowing us to police ourselves without the first ammendment means that the people in power will act in their own selfish self interest to enforce upon us what they feel is right or wrong or morally right or wrong, albeit legal. "The conclusion which follows is clear: those constitutions which consider the common interests are right constitutions, judged by the standard of absolute justice. Those constitutions which consider only the personal interest of the rulers are all wrong constitutions, or perversions, of the right forms. Such perverted forms are despotic."
Aristotle, Politics

Duke

vvq · 06-03-2005, 12:17 AM

it's a fucked up situation no matter how you look at it.

orign8or · 06-03-2005, 12:20 AM

Negotiating freedom of speech and expression for a buck...

Thats whats at risk.

Major (Tom) · 06-03-2005, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by orign8or

Negotiating freedom of speech and expression for a buck...

Thats whats at risk.

Amen!

duke

J$tyle$ · 06-03-2005, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by tradermcduck

This statement is from 2001 ... pre Nipplegate ... 4 years ago I thought the U.S. is the land of freedom - damn was I wrong

Yeah, but there's a lot of serious shit going on in the background and lots of finger pointing right now - so made sense to just make this post and "out" myself.

Trax · 06-03-2005, 01:44 AM

i have bad feelings about .xxx
very bad feelings

J$tyle$ · 06-03-2005, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Trax

i have bad feelings about .xxx
very bad feelings

I understand that, really I do

FilthyRob · 06-03-2005, 10:09 AM

another hurdle

TheSwed · 06-03-2005, 10:10 AM

Penrod · 06-03-2005, 10:12 AM

How is the youngling J$?

xXxtreme2005 · 06-03-2005, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Trax

i have bad feelings about .xxx
very bad feelings

Ditto!

Xenophage · 06-03-2005, 10:19 AM

say it aint so Brother.. in my best Hulk Hogan voice

NaughtyRob · 06-03-2005, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by J$tyle$

I believed in the good it could do and it was a sound business model if executed properly.

I agree.

JFK · 06-03-2005, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by J$tyle$

Yeah, but there's a lot of serious shit going on in the background and lots of finger pointing right now - so made sense to just make this post and "out" myself.

Hey J$tyle$...................Pull my Finger

leedsfan · 06-03-2005, 10:37 AM

what do you feel will be the ramifications of the .xxx issues?

what due diligence did you put into this issue before you went about promoting the concept? did you never consider the polarisation that would likely happen?

Connor · 06-03-2005, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by J$tyle$

Yeah, but there's a lot of serious shit going on in the background and lots of finger pointing right now - so made sense to just make this post and "out" myself.

Hey Jonathan, you've been around a long time and I definitely appreciate you coming forward with this and explaining it. I'm also gald to see that you now understand the dangers of this "dot xxx" development. A lot of people in the industry were made to believe this was a "protect the children" thing when in fact it is VERY dangerous to the industry. It took guts to come forward and explain things and admit that you made the wrong decision to get involved with dot-xxx. Thank you for helping us raise awareness.

So according to the white paper Jason basically hired you to drum up support for .XXX within the industry? If his "dot xxx" were a good thing he wouldn't HAVE to pay people to drum up support... it would just exist. Man, what a mess.

fireorange · 06-03-2005, 10:58 AM

Aly · 06-03-2005, 11:15 AM

Good idea Jon.

The world seemed a little less scary not so long ago, didn't it?!

CDSmith · 06-03-2005, 11:21 AM

This too shall pass

(I hope)

FabianC · 06-03-2005, 11:37 AM

Jon,

I remember we went to the FSC meeting in Woodland Hills for this topic. The .xxx is backed by some major players in it for the money.

Connor · 06-03-2005, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by FabianC

Jon,

I remember we went to the FSC meeting in Woodland Hills for this topic. The .xxx is backed by some major players in it for the money.

Who are these major players? Anyone know?

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