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procam · 06-02-2005, 03:46 PM

BEWARE Prideaccess.com
This sponsor is TROUBLE!

A. the sponsor approached me and was quite pushy about me promoting their content on my group of sites....
The sponsor never said anything boo about there being any cost involved just was eager to get me setup and promoting for them so I did - as I trade traffic with the owner of the damn place I figured hes an honest engine had good trade relations over a year!!

B. Sponsor builds a nice page for me to promote and provided like 8 galleries to promo.,... I took a large logo off the page he provided placed it on 9 of my archive pages - mind u my site name was on the logo and each logo had 3 links to the sponsor ON IT when I moved it and AFTER I moved it !

I sent traffic via skim and from galleries and even posted the galleries to other tgps with whom I have long term relations that did not require a recip link.

I made an effort over 3 weeks to promote the program -- it didnt sell well I had like 4 signups total ....

Dude approaches me a couple days ago accusing me of stealing his logo in so many words and makes nasty remarks about sales not being high enuf ~
Firstly the day I put the logo and links on my archive pages I showed it to the fucker...
Then he informs me it cost over 100.00 to make the page he had made.... well OK but does it make a damn bit of sense to NOT make your 100.00 back ? shit might take a few more weeks but shoulda chilled and lemme get the sales up!
So in shock at his rants I said ok u know what fine --- Ill pull the program and all your material immediately go ahead with cancelling my acct...
Mind u no payment for the sales I did get with the company either nothing not a penny!!
THEN he kills trades with my sites that are operating with 90-100 hit forces per hour and just stops returning traffic without so much as a peep about it from his ass.........

Santeria has gone AWOL ........ I dunno who replaced TIM but this is not the man I have had a good working arrangement with for the last year!
He fucked a good friendship good trades and looks like a complete fucking asshole now to me!

Save yourself time effort and anger AVOID PRIDEACCESS.COM and its sponsor program !

FilthyRob · 06-02-2005, 04:09 PM

now that's some good drama

Godsmack · 06-02-2005, 04:20 PM

Allen,

I know and respect you for a long time now.. but please give PrideAccess some slack man..
Santeria is a hard working and great guy who is never tired enough to help anywere he can.. i do not know what happened between you two and i don't wanna know either.

For me PrideAccess has been great and i know many others who are very happy with them.. so i'm sure there was a missunderstanding somewere..

Hope this can be solved as the gay scene is small and drama is not a thing we need..

procam · 06-02-2005, 04:28 PM

Yes you know me and u also know im a FAIR man and I work with ANYBODY ~ except that fuck that owns wlc ~
I am kind to everyone and understanding - for me to burst out without provocation just doesnt happen!

Then he needs to be a MAN and talk to ME -- he wont even talk he cancelled my affiliate program with prideaccess killed all my trades -- effectively stole my traffic and wont answer ICQ -- thats not the way to run a business nor was it proper to even say the things he said to me - an apology is owed now ~ Im happy to talk to him but im really pissed off right now about my traffic ~

FreeFastHost · 06-02-2005, 04:34 PM

I don't really need to go into how big of an idiot ProCam is, most people already know that.

But, I'll just clear this up quick.

ProCam and I traded maybe 1k/day of traffic with my site, skeezy.com, and we had a decent relationship. We have been going around creating archives for big site owners such as gaymoviedome.com and all his sites, gaybeef.com, welovecock.com, etc... and we made one for pretty much anyone else that wanted one.

One day I contacted ProCam and asked if he would like to try us out and he said yes so we made an archive for him. Now these archives cost us money, but it's not a big deal, this is not what this was about. When he got the archive he took the top of it and put it on all of his archive pages and linked a very small link on it to our join page and also made a link on our graphic going back to his main page. Now this looked like he was using it for a logo, which he was, no matter what he said. Now I didn't even care that he was doing this.

He only did a few sales with horrible ratios so I contacted him one day asking if we could make him a banner or even a hosted movie series to put on his main page so we could get some more traffic from him, he said no.

Then I ask him if he could try sending more signups, we make these archives for people for FREE and everyone is extremely happy with them because they convert amazingly well. This guy tells me he's been sending SKIM TRAFFIC FROM HIS TGP and he's expecting the ratios to be good. So all in all he tells us that he doesn't like the way I'm talking to him for whatever reason and he tells me to delete his account and that what I did. Then a gallery submitter tells me today he has all prideaccess galleries blacklisted on his tgp, so then I go on my mgps and delete all his trades, I want nothing to do with him. And he ends up going to the boards and making this BS post. Most people know this guy is crazy, just ask Welovecock.com

Anyway, let me post the icq conversation for you guys too.

SaNteria:
hey, you gonna promote your PA site more? it seems you just using it as a logo now

ProCam:
my traffics down this last 10 days as if u cant tell that u cancelled one of my trades ~ But if its a problem for you I will discontinue promoting it

SaNteria:
well we spent over $100 making that archive, other webmasters are heavily promoting their sites

ProCam:
and I did put the galleries into my sites that you gave me last week

SaNteria:
it would still be nice if you could put it on your main page somewhere, or we could setup a movie series for you similar to gaymoviedome and all his sites

ProCam:
dude I have it set into my tm3 to force hourly traffic to it

thats just the same as being on the main page

SaNteria:
that traffic won't send sales

ProCam:
u know what - I really didnt appreciate the remark u made u make it sound like im taking advantage of u or something - I been trying to promote it but I dont have the fucking 100k a day that Gaymoviedome and zentz has ~ just cancel my account Ill pull the links man ~ sorry to have been such a bother - I been trying but leaning on me when traffics low and making me feel guilty wont make more traffic

SaNteria:
ok

ProCam:
I never seen a sponsor make such statements wow~

SaNteria:
i've never had an affiliate who took advantage of us... we didn't make you a logo, we made you a site that costed us money

ProCam:
I put that on every archive page with your links trying to better promote u

ProCam:
if u felt that was wrong u shoulda told me the day i ASKED u about it

SaNteria:
the only link on that logo is a small one, and a link on it is going to your main page

Anyway, just by reading that you can tell this guy is retarded or something. So we're just gonna change the title on his archive now and give it to another webmaster, if anyone wants it hit me up on icq. I guarantee this converts good, ask all the big gay tgp/mgp owners that SEND US TRAFFIC and don't rip us off.

Sly · 06-02-2005, 04:37 PM

Tim has helped me out a LOT and played a big part in getting me where I am. Tim is the man.

procam · 06-02-2005, 04:53 PM

The message archive is accurate except that you left out a few important things -

1. Taking credit cards on a non ssl page is a very awful thing to do to your surfers ! http://www.prideaccess.com/signup.p...rideaccess.com/

Which is part of the reason your shit doesnt convert well !

2. You forgot to really address the cause there I do not deny blacklisting prideaccess - I did - and for good reason you were well aware and proved that by posting the archive u did that I used the logo to promote your program and you are LYING it had 3 links on it dont make me post it up here and show what a liar u are I have all the files archived on my local drive -

3. Even if I did blacklist prideaccess which I did - u had no good cause to kill trades over a year old that were in good standing and NOT talk to me for any reason except that you are being a bitch and it wasnt 1k a day it is 1600 a day according to my tm3 script not to mention all the other sites I have that u trade with which now sit idle because of your poor judgement .
You went off half cocked and made accusations that appear to state I stole something from you I did not .
I showed u the archive pages with your logo the day I did it you cannot deny it if it was a problem you shoulda told me then not after the fact.

Factoid is - you have made a very bad judgement call in this matter one I am willing to forgive and move forward - reactivate our trades and forget this matter if you will just say two words "I'm Sorry" and Ill happily say the same with genuine meaning behind it - we been friends too long - the prideaccess thing didnt work out bad for you I guess despite the fact I was trying and thats that!

So lettuce see how much of a man you are can you make an apology and move on and we will just delete this threads content and forget it ?

zentz · 06-02-2005, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly

Tim has helped me out a LOT and played a big part in getting me where I am. Tim is the man.

i agree, now tell them to switch to phatservers.com hehe

FreeFastHost · 06-02-2005, 05:04 PM

ProCam, I'm not going to appologize when I did nothing wrong.

I tried to help you as I try to help everyone, you told me to delete your account. I did.

You blacklisted prideaccess from your site. I blacklisted your sites from mine.

You send me angry icqs telling me you posted this shit on gfy. I put you on ignore and deleted you from my icq.

I want nothing to do with you now. I don't need your traffic, I don't need your trades, I don't need your bullshit. Goodbye.

xXxtreme2005 · 06-02-2005, 05:05 PM

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Terry · 06-02-2005, 05:11 PM

That was a good read.

procam · 06-02-2005, 05:51 PM

Enuf ranting ........... its pointless -

You dont see the error in your ways - and I will not accept your version of the truth as it is flawed !

sufficed to say prideaccess.com cheated me kept my payout - made me work to rebuild their pages into english
harassed me about sluggish sales and continues to take credit card numbers on non ssl pages which BTW violates your MAC agreement for taking cards - perhaps you better fix that before you lose the ability to take cards in case someone reports it .
Now do you wanna go on being a witch with me or u wanna walk away and leave it there? You will not make me out to be the villan here I didnt do this

FreeFastHost · 06-02-2005, 06:19 PM

This is my last post in reply to the above, i'm not wasting anymore time on this nobody.

I actually took your advice and we're adding the SSL.

About your payment, If you want to get technical, we spent around $200 to make your archive, plus gallery templates, plus hosted galleries. So since you made $30 so far, you can just pay me the $170 whenever you get a chance. All other webmasters made $200 within the first days of putting our ads up (we don't take the $200 either, this whiney little boy just wants to get technical), but then again they already knew they had to put ads up and not send skim traffic from their tgp, lol

Oh, and you didn't reach the minimum payout either.

procam · 06-02-2005, 06:41 PM

How misguided you are - I had to clobber you over the head and all but call visa and mc to make u put up an SSL -- ok good im glad yer doing the right thing there....

For someone who dont wanna talk to me yer making a good effort here and thats appreciated. {I think}

Now I wasnt JUST sending u skim traffic - you were also getting traffic to the gallery pages u provided me - and I know for a fact signups cause I saw one the day you cancelled me -
In any event - In the future I would caution you about the way you do things - and you have twice changed the price of this work you had done btw - first it was 150 then 100 now its 200 so I tend to think whatever indian you had build it prolly charged you 50 bucks and they spit it out quick cause it wasnt even in english man I had to change it around..
So less my design time fees of 65.00 for the hour....
and compensation for all the hours of downtime you had over 3 weeks 100.00 {sounds fair} even the back bitter whos msgin u on icq saying I shouldnt have said nothing hes two faced man cause hes ranting about yer downtime too..... So chill ..

And my time for posting all these posts to make u realize u were RUDE evil and downright thoughtless of someone who really has worked with you for a long time Ill just charge u 5.00 for that .

Lets call it even - Have a good life but know this It will not be forgotten !

iwantchixx · 06-02-2005, 08:20 PM

procam, stfu up you little kid. You seem to think you and ONLY you can be right.

You fucked up.

You don't know how to generate traffic.

You ripped of a logo.

You got all choldish and blew up in his face when asked if you could send more traffic and when he proceeded to try and help you.

You banned any advertising of prideaccess on your sites, so you expect prideaccess employees to keep sending you traffic to your little tgp? What goes around comes around. There is not two set of ruless such as one for you and one for everyone else. There is ONE set for everyone to follow. "You scratch my back, I scratch yours".

Oh the insanity of it all.

Go away kid. Drop in a manhole somewhere.

06-02-2005, 03:46 PM	#1
procam Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Tampa Florida Posts: 98	Prideaccess.com SPONSOR THIEF! BEWARE Prideaccess.com This sponsor is TROUBLE! A. the sponsor approached me and was quite pushy about me promoting their content on my group of sites.... The sponsor never said anything boo about there being any cost involved just was eager to get me setup and promoting for them so I did - as I trade traffic with the owner of the damn place I figured hes an honest engine had good trade relations over a year!! B. Sponsor builds a nice page for me to promote and provided like 8 galleries to promo.,... I took a large logo off the page he provided placed it on 9 of my archive pages - mind u my site name was on the logo and each logo had 3 links to the sponsor ON IT when I moved it and AFTER I moved it ! I sent traffic via skim and from galleries and even posted the galleries to other tgps with whom I have long term relations that did not require a recip link. I made an effort over 3 weeks to promote the program -- it didnt sell well I had like 4 signups total .... Dude approaches me a couple days ago accusing me of stealing his logo in so many words and makes nasty remarks about sales not being high enuf ~ Firstly the day I put the logo and links on my archive pages I showed it to the fucker... Then he informs me it cost over 100.00 to make the page he had made.... well OK but does it make a damn bit of sense to NOT make your 100.00 back ? shit might take a few more weeks but shoulda chilled and lemme get the sales up! So in shock at his rants I said ok u know what fine --- Ill pull the program and all your material immediately go ahead with cancelling my acct... Mind u no payment for the sales I did get with the company either nothing not a penny!! THEN he kills trades with my sites that are operating with 90-100 hit forces per hour and just stops returning traffic without so much as a peep about it from his ass......... Santeria has gone AWOL ........ I dunno who replaced TIM but this is not the man I have had a good working arrangement with for the last year! He fucked a good friendship good trades and looks like a complete fucking asshole now to me! Save yourself time effort and anger AVOID PRIDEACCESS.COM and its sponsor program ! __________________

06-02-2005, 04:09 PM	#2
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06-02-2005, 04:20 PM	#3
Godsmack Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,525	Allen, I know and respect you for a long time now.. but please give PrideAccess some slack man.. Santeria is a hard working and great guy who is never tired enough to help anywere he can.. i do not know what happened between you two and i don't wanna know either. For me PrideAccess has been great and i know many others who are very happy with them.. so i'm sure there was a missunderstanding somewere.. Hope this can be solved as the gay scene is small and drama is not a thing we need.. __________________ Download the much improved Free Tube Script adult/mainstream tube solution for FREE!

06-02-2005, 04:28 PM	#4
procam Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Tampa Florida Posts: 98	Yes you know me and u also know im a FAIR man and I work with ANYBODY ~ except that fuck that owns wlc ~ I am kind to everyone and understanding - for me to burst out without provocation just doesnt happen! Then he needs to be a MAN and talk to ME -- he wont even talk he cancelled my affiliate program with prideaccess killed all my trades -- effectively stole my traffic and wont answer ICQ -- thats not the way to run a business nor was it proper to even say the things he said to me - an apology is owed now ~ Im happy to talk to him but im really pissed off right now about my traffic ~ __________________ Last edited by procam; 06-02-2005 at 04:30 PM..

06-02-2005, 04:37 PM	#6
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06-02-2005, 04:34 PM	#5
FreeFastHost Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,588	I don't really need to go into how big of an idiot ProCam is, most people already know that. But, I'll just clear this up quick. ProCam and I traded maybe 1k/day of traffic with my site, skeezy.com, and we had a decent relationship. We have been going around creating archives for big site owners such as gaymoviedome.com and all his sites, gaybeef.com, welovecock.com, etc... and we made one for pretty much anyone else that wanted one. One day I contacted ProCam and asked if he would like to try us out and he said yes so we made an archive for him. Now these archives cost us money, but it's not a big deal, this is not what this was about. When he got the archive he took the top of it and put it on all of his archive pages and linked a very small link on it to our join page and also made a link on our graphic going back to his main page. Now this looked like he was using it for a logo, which he was, no matter what he said. Now I didn't even care that he was doing this. He only did a few sales with horrible ratios so I contacted him one day asking if we could make him a banner or even a hosted movie series to put on his main page so we could get some more traffic from him, he said no. Then I ask him if he could try sending more signups, we make these archives for people for FREE and everyone is extremely happy with them because they convert amazingly well. This guy tells me he's been sending SKIM TRAFFIC FROM HIS TGP and he's expecting the ratios to be good. So all in all he tells us that he doesn't like the way I'm talking to him for whatever reason and he tells me to delete his account and that what I did. Then a gallery submitter tells me today he has all prideaccess galleries blacklisted on his tgp, so then I go on my mgps and delete all his trades, I want nothing to do with him. And he ends up going to the boards and making this BS post. Most people know this guy is crazy, just ask Welovecock.com Anyway, let me post the icq conversation for you guys too. SaNteria: hey, you gonna promote your PA site more? it seems you just using it as a logo now ProCam: my traffics down this last 10 days as if u cant tell that u cancelled one of my trades ~ But if its a problem for you I will discontinue promoting it SaNteria: well we spent over $100 making that archive, other webmasters are heavily promoting their sites ProCam: and I did put the galleries into my sites that you gave me last week SaNteria: it would still be nice if you could put it on your main page somewhere, or we could setup a movie series for you similar to gaymoviedome and all his sites ProCam: dude I have it set into my tm3 to force hourly traffic to it thats just the same as being on the main page SaNteria: that traffic won't send sales ProCam: u know what - I really didnt appreciate the remark u made u make it sound like im taking advantage of u or something - I been trying to promote it but I dont have the fucking 100k a day that Gaymoviedome and zentz has ~ just cancel my account Ill pull the links man ~ sorry to have been such a bother - I been trying but leaning on me when traffics low and making me feel guilty wont make more traffic SaNteria: ok ProCam: I never seen a sponsor make such statements wow~ SaNteria: i've never had an affiliate who took advantage of us... we didn't make you a logo, we made you a site that costed us money ProCam: I put that on every archive page with your links trying to better promote u ProCam: if u felt that was wrong u shoulda told me the day i ASKED u about it SaNteria: the only link on that logo is a small one, and a link on it is going to your main page Anyway, just by reading that you can tell this guy is retarded or something. So we're just gonna change the title on his archive now and give it to another webmaster, if anyone wants it hit me up on icq. I guarantee this converts good, ask all the big gay tgp/mgp owners that SEND US TRAFFIC and don't rip us off.

06-02-2005, 04:53 PM	#7
procam Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Tampa Florida Posts: 98	The message archive is accurate except that you left out a few important things - 1. Taking credit cards on a non ssl page is a very awful thing to do to your surfers ! http://www.prideaccess.com/signup.p...rideaccess.com/ Which is part of the reason your shit doesnt convert well ! 2. You forgot to really address the cause there I do not deny blacklisting prideaccess - I did - and for good reason you were well aware and proved that by posting the archive u did that I used the logo to promote your program and you are LYING it had 3 links on it dont make me post it up here and show what a liar u are I have all the files archived on my local drive - 3. Even if I did blacklist prideaccess which I did - u had no good cause to kill trades over a year old that were in good standing and NOT talk to me for any reason except that you are being a bitch and it wasnt 1k a day it is 1600 a day according to my tm3 script not to mention all the other sites I have that u trade with which now sit idle because of your poor judgement . You went off half cocked and made accusations that appear to state I stole something from you I did not . I showed u the archive pages with your logo the day I did it you cannot deny it if it was a problem you shoulda told me then not after the fact. Factoid is - you have made a very bad judgement call in this matter one I am willing to forgive and move forward - reactivate our trades and forget this matter if you will just say two words "I'm Sorry" and Ill happily say the same with genuine meaning behind it - we been friends too long - the prideaccess thing didnt work out bad for you I guess despite the fact I was trying and thats that! So lettuce see how much of a man you are can you make an apology and move on and we will just delete this threads content and forget it ? __________________

06-02-2005, 05:04 PM	#9
FreeFastHost Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,588	ProCam, I'm not going to appologize when I did nothing wrong. I tried to help you as I try to help everyone, you told me to delete your account. I did. You blacklisted prideaccess from your site. I blacklisted your sites from mine. You send me angry icqs telling me you posted this shit on gfy. I put you on ignore and deleted you from my icq. I want nothing to do with you now. I don't need your traffic, I don't need your trades, I don't need your bullshit. Goodbye.

06-02-2005, 05:05 PM	#10
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06-02-2005, 05:11 PM	#11
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06-02-2005, 05:51 PM	#12
procam Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Tampa Florida Posts: 98	Enuf ranting ........... its pointless - You dont see the error in your ways - and I will not accept your version of the truth as it is flawed ! sufficed to say prideaccess.com cheated me kept my payout - made me work to rebuild their pages into english harassed me about sluggish sales and continues to take credit card numbers on non ssl pages which BTW violates your MAC agreement for taking cards - perhaps you better fix that before you lose the ability to take cards in case someone reports it . Now do you wanna go on being a witch with me or u wanna walk away and leave it there? You will not make me out to be the villan here I didnt do this __________________

06-02-2005, 06:19 PM	#13
FreeFastHost Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,588	This is my last post in reply to the above, i'm not wasting anymore time on this nobody. I actually took your advice and we're adding the SSL. About your payment, If you want to get technical, we spent around $200 to make your archive, plus gallery templates, plus hosted galleries. So since you made $30 so far, you can just pay me the $170 whenever you get a chance. All other webmasters made $200 within the first days of putting our ads up (we don't take the $200 either, this whiney little boy just wants to get technical), but then again they already knew they had to put ads up and not send skim traffic from their tgp, lol Oh, and you didn't reach the minimum payout either.

06-02-2005, 06:41 PM	#14
procam Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Tampa Florida Posts: 98	How misguided you are - I had to clobber you over the head and all but call visa and mc to make u put up an SSL -- ok good im glad yer doing the right thing there.... For someone who dont wanna talk to me yer making a good effort here and thats appreciated. {I think} Now I wasnt JUST sending u skim traffic - you were also getting traffic to the gallery pages u provided me - and I know for a fact signups cause I saw one the day you cancelled me - In any event - In the future I would caution you about the way you do things - and you have twice changed the price of this work you had done btw - first it was 150 then 100 now its 200 so I tend to think whatever indian you had build it prolly charged you 50 bucks and they spit it out quick cause it wasnt even in english man I had to change it around.. So less my design time fees of 65.00 for the hour.... and compensation for all the hours of downtime you had over 3 weeks 100.00 {sounds fair} even the back bitter whos msgin u on icq saying I shouldnt have said nothing hes two faced man cause hes ranting about yer downtime too..... So chill .. And my time for posting all these posts to make u realize u were RUDE evil and downright thoughtless of someone who really has worked with you for a long time Ill just charge u 5.00 for that . Lets call it even - Have a good life but know this It will not be forgotten ! __________________

06-02-2005, 08:20 PM	#15
iwantchixx Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Boonies Posts: 12,860	procam, stfu up you little kid. You seem to think you and ONLY you can be right. You fucked up. You don't know how to generate traffic. You ripped of a logo. You got all choldish and blew up in his face when asked if you could send more traffic and when he proceeded to try and help you. You banned any advertising of prideaccess on your sites, so you expect prideaccess employees to keep sending you traffic to your little tgp? What goes around comes around. There is not two set of ruless such as one for you and one for everyone else. There is ONE set for everyone to follow. "You scratch my back, I scratch yours". Oh the insanity of it all. Go away kid. Drop in a manhole somewhere.