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Old 06-02-2005, 12:42 PM   #51
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Old 06-02-2005, 01:06 PM   #52
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Weak argument and a popular commy argument at that. No one has ever implemented a purely capitalistic society either. The latter half of the twentieth century resolved the debate.

How many communist states are left? You can count them on one hand. Cuba is dirt poor. North Korea is half dirt poor. Laos and Viet Nam? More fractions of dirt poor. China succeeds insofar as it FREES its markets.
Colin, why do you always start posting in defense of conservative positions even when the conservatives are nakedly wrong?

Do you just want to be different or something?
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Old 06-02-2005, 01:09 PM   #53
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You'd think the reactionaries would love Nietzche since they salivate over Ayn Rand so much. Both discredited within their discipline but they give such great excuses for bad behavior their fame will never die.
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Old 06-02-2005, 01:12 PM   #54
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the best is they blame the current deficeit on FDR.


"FDR adopted the idea as U.S. policy, and the U.S. government now has a $2.6-trillion annual budget and an $8-trillion dollar debt."

whats funny is they forgot to mention that clinton balanced the budget when he left office

WHO has been running congress and the white house for the last 4+ years? Um REPUBLICANS.
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Old 06-02-2005, 01:15 PM   #55
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One thing I did notice about the booklist - there was no aversion to selling em thru an Amazon affiliate account tho they may be against their "beliefs"
Yeah it's like "Hey don't read these books they are evil! But if you do......"
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Old 06-02-2005, 01:19 PM   #56
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US right winger/conservatives, never cease to amaze me with their actions.
what never ceases to amaze me is that assholes like yourself from other countries forget about their own history - conservatives/right wingers are in every fucking country.

take a look at your own country asshole - you fuckers invented western imperialism.

whats that old saying?

the sun never sets on the british empire ...
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Old 06-02-2005, 01:33 PM   #57
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The funny thing is each prospective evil book has a link to Amazon so you can buy a copy to burn!
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Old 06-02-2005, 01:33 PM   #58
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WHO has been running congress and the white house for the last 4+ years? Um REPUBLICANS.
what the fuck are you talking about?

are you saying the US is not it debt?

republicans have fucked up the country.

clinton had that shit under control and had a 200 billion dollar surplus when he left office.

the deficit now is almost 8 trillion dollars

to pay it off every US citizen would have to pay 28 thousand dollars each

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$1.67 billion per day since September 30, 2004
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Old 06-02-2005, 02:07 PM   #59
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what the fuck are you talking about?

are you saying the US is not it debt?

republicans have fucked up the country.

clinton had that shit under control and had a 200 billion dollar surplus when he left office.

the deficit now is almost 8 trillion dollars

to pay it off every US citizen would have to pay 28 thousand dollars each

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$1.67 billion per day since September 30, 2004
Try READING COMPREHENSION buddy.
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Old 06-02-2005, 02:17 PM   #60
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Old 06-02-2005, 06:23 PM   #61
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Try READING COMPREHENSION buddy.
try being articulate, getting to the point and not being vague..
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Old 06-02-2005, 07:06 PM   #62
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Introduction to Psychoanalysis
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Positive: Freud popularized talk therapy
Negative: His methods and theories didn't have any basis on actual science/statistics. Indeed, misguided reliance on his theories exacerbated problems rather than help resolve them.

Fortunately, he's been largely superseded now....
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Old 06-03-2005, 01:20 AM   #63
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...err ok...

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what never ceases to amaze me is that assholes like yourself from other countries forget about their own history - conservatives/right wingers are in every fucking country.

take a look at your own country asshole - you fuckers invented western imperialism.

whats that old saying?

the sun never sets on the british empire ...
Sigh...yes I know conservatives/right wingers are in every country, just those in the US always seem to do things like produce these lists, and try and dictate morality to others way too overtly, which for someone who sees it happen from outside of the US it's quite amazing. Perhaps you are so used to it, that it doesn't make you stand back in amazement??

What's with the hostility anyway?? It lowers the level of argument

How did we get onto western imerpialism? I'm quite happy to debate it though

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Old 06-03-2005, 01:24 AM   #64
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i've read #2 on that list.
but i don't see why these books are harmful.
it shouldn't be anyone's business what a person wants to read.
well, that's about the only one i'd consider harmful
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Old 06-03-2005, 01:48 AM   #65
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i've read #2 on that list.
but i don't see why these books are harmful.
it shouldn't be anyone's business what a person wants to read.
Not according to the FBI

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Old 06-03-2005, 01:49 AM   #66
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Colin, why do you always start posting in defense of conservative positions even when the conservatives are nakedly wrong?

Do you just want to be different or something?
Thanks for taking a personal interest :-P

I'm a capitalist and so are you. What's wrong with attacking commies? I don't care if the failures of communism are a liberal or conservative argument. It seems pretty clear to me that is what has happened. If conservatives just happen to be right about commumism; so be it. If the commies make a comeback I'll happily admit it. The specter of Adam Smith is lording over Marx' grave.

I'm liberal and conservative - depends on the issue. For example; I'm mostly liberal on capital punishment, abortion, civil rights and most recently social security. I'm mostly conservative on defense spending and prison sentences. I'm conservative in the sense that I am less in favor of change than for it. I'm liberal in that I think the government interferes too much in people's personal lives. In reality, I am not even clearly on one side of the fence on most of the big issues. There are good arguments all around if you ask me.

Now, the answer to your question. US webmasters are something like 80% liberal. Non US webmasters are something like 95% liberal. So in any debate there are many more voices on the liberal side and thus many more points worth debating on that side. It's boring in a 20-1 to jump on the 20 side.

But you missed 12 Clicks and I debating social security a few weeks ago.
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the best is they blame the current deficeit on FDR.


"FDR adopted the idea as U.S. policy, and the U.S. government now has a $2.6-trillion annual budget and an $8-trillion dollar debt."

whats funny is they forgot to mention that clinton balanced the budget when he left office
Wanna know the funny thing? The recent budget deficit was a Keynesian stimulus. It's how you beat a recession; spend more money and lower taxes. But Keynes would not have advocated these things after the recovery.
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Old 06-03-2005, 02:20 AM   #68
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They forgot The Bible.

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Old 06-03-2005, 02:30 AM   #69
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Sigh...yes I know conservatives/right wingers are in every country, just those in the US always seem to do things like produce these lists, and try and dictate morality to others way too overtly, which for someone who sees it happen from outside of the US it's quite amazing. Perhaps you are so used to it, that it doesn't make you stand back in amazement??

What's with the hostility anyway?? It lowers the level of argument

How did we get onto western imerpialism? I'm quite happy to debate it though

Later..
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not hostile just irked when people from the UK or any other country for that matter speak negativly of america when their own country is guilty of the same actions.

great britain up until world war II is guilty of everything you acuse the states of on every level.

do we need a history lesson here?

im not amazed at the ridiculous things the right wing say, because theyre a ridiculous group of people.

but what amazes me is when laws are passed and judges are nominated that are conservsative and most americans dont give a shit or dont know whats going on.

im well aware of what the rest of the world thinks of americans and america but youve got to understand (which im sure you do) that goverment is NOT represenitive of its people and that goes for every nation on earth...

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not hostile just irked when people from the UK or any other country for that matter speak negativly of america when their own country is guilty of the same actions.

great britain up until world war II is guilty of everything you acuse the states of on every level.

do we need a history lesson here?

im not amazed at the ridiculous things the right wing say, because theyre a ridiculous group of people.

but what amazes me is when laws are passed and judges are nominated that are conservsative and most americans dont give a shit or dont know whats going on.

im well aware of what the rest of the world thinks of americans and america but youve got to understand (which im sure you do) that goverment is NOT represenitive of its people and that goes for every nation on earth...

cheers
Well, I think we just about agree there then, and you make some good points But i don't think I accused the US of too much, did I?

Anyway I've seen another post in this thread that looks worthy of arguing with now. (this is what keeps me going during the day at work!)

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Old 06-03-2005, 06:52 AM   #71
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Wanna know the funny thing? The recent budget deficit was a Keynesian stimulus. It's how you beat a recession; spend more money and lower taxes. But Keynes would not have advocated these things after the recovery.
I haven't read Keynes' works, but I do know that when he was advising FDR taxes were raised, several times, along with spending.
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lol... look at the nietzse one what the last sentence is of the comments they made:
"The Nazis loved Nietzsche."
those fucks always seem to amaze me more and more how blunt they are
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If I managed to write a book that ended up on that list I would have a celebration party.
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This is silly. Books aren't harmful, its idiotic people who act on those ideas.
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