Are we returning to the dark ages? Should we be burning these books?

Hehe.

"Ass. Rector"

Hehe.

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Yes I know it's a weak argument. It was a point to illustrate part of the books summary on the website, if you look at the original part of my post:

I was getting at their wide ranging summary of:
a) The USSR putting it into practice. (Implying they did completley, which they didn't)
and b) The USSR being "Evil" (it wasn't good, but that's largely Stalin's legacy which is refered to. After WW2 the Cold War was seen as being defensive in USSR. They got invaded in the previous major European wars and wanted a series of buffer states to give them protection from the "West" who were percieved as hostile(which is perfectly valid considering the pre-war activities against communisim in Western Europe). Germany was effectively West Europes buffer state and North America was an ocean away, not easy to invade if they ever tried.)

I agree that there also hasn't been a purely capitalist society.
As to the countries mentioned being poor, only China wasn't small enough to be bullied and have a trade embargo on it, the only reason that China has not had that happen is that capitalist market economies have realised that there's a hude potential to make money there.(Plus they've a huge population that can be conscripted and armed!) An under developed economy with 1 billion consumers..hell I'd be investing left right and centre there..so much money to be made......which makes me think....anyone know what niches sites go down well in China???? :winkwink:

Who'd ever have thought I'd be on a porn masters forum debating the pros and cons of different ideologies.....good stuff...


Keep it up..
Ian

Nietzsche is the only one i have read from that list.

Just bought Will to Power by him as well. I'll have to round out my book collection by having all the banned ones in there as well.

so now you can have an handgun, but not one of the harmfull books?... freedom of speech? hahahahahah

If they had their way...

Thinking and learning can cause cancer. They're giving you this list for your own good.

i've read #2 on that list.
but i don't see why these books are harmful.
it shouldn't be anyone's business what a person wants to read.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Ok Ann Coulter

I've read Mein Kampf and The Communist Manifesto, does that mean I'll become a Nazi communist?

:uhoh :uhoh

50 harmful books

Colin, why do you always start posting in defense of conservative positions even when the conservatives are nakedly wrong?

Do you just want to be different or something?

You'd think the reactionaries would love Nietzche since they salivate over Ayn Rand so much. Both discredited within their discipline but they give such great excuses for bad behavior their fame will never die.

WHO has been running congress and the white house for the last 4+ years? Um REPUBLICANS.

Yeah it's like "Hey don't read these books they are evil! But if you do......"

what never ceases to amaze me is that assholes like yourself from other countries forget about their own history - conservatives/right wingers are in every fucking country.

take a look at your own country asshole - you fuckers invented western imperialism.

whats that old saying?

the sun never sets on the british empire ...

The funny thing is each prospective evil book has a link to Amazon so you can buy a copy to burn!

what the fuck are you talking about?

are you saying the US is not it debt?

republicans have fucked up the country.

clinton had that shit under control and had a 200 billion dollar surplus when he left office.

the deficit now is almost 8 trillion dollars

to pay it off every US citizen would have to pay 28 thousand dollars each

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$1.67 billion per day since September 30, 2004

Try READING COMPREHENSION buddy.

try being articulate, getting to the point and not being vague..

Positive: Freud popularized talk therapy
Negative: His methods and theories didn't have any basis on actual science/statistics. Indeed, misguided reliance on his theories exacerbated problems rather than help resolve them.

Fortunately, he's been largely superseded now....

...err ok...
 

Sigh...yes I know conservatives/right wingers are in every country, just those in the US always seem to do things like produce these lists, and try and dictate morality to others way too overtly, which for someone who sees it happen from outside of the US it's quite amazing. Perhaps you are so used to it, that it doesn't make you stand back in amazement??

What's with the hostility anyway?? It lowers the level of argument :(

How did we get onto western imerpialism? I'm quite happy to debate it though :)

Later..
Ian

well, that's about the only one i'd consider harmful

Not according to the FBI

Thanks for taking a personal interest :-P

I'm a capitalist and so are you. What's wrong with attacking commies? I don't care if the failures of communism are a liberal or conservative argument. It seems pretty clear to me that is what has happened. If conservatives just happen to be right about commumism; so be it. If the commies make a comeback I'll happily admit it. The specter of Adam Smith is lording over Marx' grave.

I'm liberal and conservative - depends on the issue. For example; I'm mostly liberal on capital punishment, abortion, civil rights and most recently social security. I'm mostly conservative on defense spending and prison sentences. I'm conservative in the sense that I am less in favor of change than for it. I'm liberal in that I think the government interferes too much in people's personal lives. In reality, I am not even clearly on one side of the fence on most of the big issues. There are good arguments all around if you ask me.

Now, the answer to your question. US webmasters are something like 80% liberal. Non US webmasters are something like 95% liberal. So in any debate there are many more voices on the liberal side and thus many more points worth debating on that side. It's boring in a 20-1 to jump on the 20 side.

But you missed 12 Clicks and I debating social security a few weeks ago.

Wanna know the funny thing? The recent budget deficit was a Keynesian stimulus. It's how you beat a recession; spend more money and lower taxes. But Keynes would not have advocated these things after the recovery.

They forgot The Bible.

not hostile just irked when people from the UK or any other country for that matter speak negativly of america when their own country is guilty of the same actions.

great britain up until world war II is guilty of everything you acuse the states of on every level.

do we need a history lesson here? :1orglaugh

im not amazed at the ridiculous things the right wing say, because theyre a ridiculous group of people.

but what amazes me is when laws are passed and judges are nominated that are conservsative and most americans dont give a shit or dont know whats going on.

im well aware of what the rest of the world thinks of americans and america but youve got to understand (which im sure you do) that goverment is NOT represenitive of its people and that goes for every nation on earth...

cheers

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Well, I think we just about agree there then, and you make some good points But i don't think I accused the US of too much, did I?

Anyway I've seen another post in this thread that looks worthy of arguing with now. :1orglaugh (this is what keeps me going during the day at work!)

Later..
I.

I haven't read Keynes' works, but I do know that when he was advising FDR taxes were raised, several times, along with spending.

lol... look at the nietzse one what the last sentence is of the comments they made:
"The Nazis loved Nietzsche."
those fucks always seem to amaze me more and more how blunt they are :1orglaugh

books.xxx is missing on that list

If I managed to write a book that ended up on that list I would have a celebration party.

This is silly. Books aren't harmful, its idiotic people who act on those ideas.