Even if it kills my business .... new policy

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • machinegunkelly
    Confirmed User
    • Jun 2003
    • 3304

    #1

    Even if it kills my business .... new policy

    Hey everyone ,
    I'd like to take this moment to let you all know about my new payment policy .
    Basically I don't care who you are , who you SAY you are , or who you were .

    From now on you are going to pay for design from Twistedbydesigns upfront .

    Only a few of you have met me in person , but those of you that have know that I am not some " dick swinger " I don't come on here and try to pretend I am made of money , or that I am better than you , Fact is I am a father that works very hard to feed my family and pay my bills .

    I do well with design , but it seems the last year I have become more and more relaxed about payment terms with people because I obviously want people to use my service , and I Like to keep people happy .

    As of late , 50% of my time has gone to chasing clients for money , trying to make sure final payments or deposits are paid in full .
    This is causing me to hate my job and become really frustrated with the adult industry as a whole .

    As of today , clients will be expected to pay upfront in full for orders under $750 . and 75% deposit on larger orders , and I no longer care who you are ,
    Even if you have paid 20 times before , you will still be asked to submit payment at time of booking to reserve your spot .

    I have tried to be nice , I've tried to be fair , and its all backfired in my fuckin face repeatedly , so these are my terms .

    Don't like em ? go somewhere else ..
    Even if I end up flipping burgers I'm going down with this ship .
    dead.
  • chadglni
    Confirmed User
    • Dec 2002
    • 6924

    #2
    Good luck.


    Sign up here - Dating Site affiliate program

    Comment

    • fireorange
      Confirmed User
      • Jan 2005
      • 1648

      #3

      Comment

      • Terry
        Confirmed User
        • Jan 2002
        • 1604

        #4
        Good for you. Good luck.
        TengaCash
        ICQ: 6776764

        Comment

        • Kimmykim
          bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
          • Jun 2001
          • 16015

          #5
          It's sad that it comes to that, but I can see your point. Actually I do the same thing on my consulting services. The typical small business owner needs to spend time doing business, not being a collection agent. And it's truly appalling sometimes to read or hear about companies that are more than able to pay their bills on time taking the attitude that bills are somehow not due on time but on some sort of net 90 or other crap.

          Comment

          • seeric
            ..........
            • Aug 2004
            • 41917

            #6
            the same thing has happened with me in my dj career. the closer people get to you, the longer it takes to get money from them. i now require 1/2 upfront and the other 1/2 before i get on the turntables.

            my advice is keep friends friends and biz biz.

            good luck man, the pros will keep coming back to you and the ones who have to scrounge for loot will go fuck other people.

            my 2 cents.

            Comment

            • aztecvision
              Confirmed User
              • Feb 2003
              • 979

              #7
              Good Move.

              Comment

              • wdsguy
                Ryde or Die
                • Dec 2002
                • 19568

                #8
                I think its a great move on your part.

                Comment

                • machinegunkelly
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jun 2003
                  • 3304

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Kimmykim
                  It's sad that it comes to that, but I can see your point. Actually I do the same thing on my consulting services. The typical small business owner needs to spend time doing business, not being a collection agent. And it's truly appalling sometimes to read or hear about companies that are more than able to pay their bills on time taking the attitude that bills are somehow not due on time but on some sort of net 90 or other crap.

                  I spend so much time going after my money that I actually have considered starting a collection agency .. except it seems I aint toooo good at getting the money in the end :P
                  dead.

                  Comment

                  • Sparks
                    Confirmed User
                    • Nov 2004
                    • 2466

                    #10
                    Sucks it had to come to that, but it seems to be a growing trend.... good luck, man!

                    Comment

                    • MrFierce
                      Confirmed User
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 134

                      #11
                      Going down on the ship ? is this an english navy tradition kind of thing ? hehehe But Pirate ! seriously MGK make the motherfuckers pay up front if thats what it takes to assure your getting paid for your work, after shit is done and delivered clients suddenly become wholly unmotivated to ante up for their "rush" "emergency" and other bullshit gotta have it right away needs. Cash up front has always worked well for me.

                      Comment

                      • machinegunkelly
                        Confirmed User
                        • Jun 2003
                        • 3304

                        #12
                        Thanks guys ,
                        I am glad to see support for this .
                        I was expecting haters to jump in and list all the designers that will work without you laying out the cash , but I expect in time they will adopt my policy .

                        They are as tired of this as I am , I am sure .
                        I've gone through this crap since day one .. getting my payments has always been the hardest most frustrating part of the job , and the hours it takes me to chase down my cash are not worked into my design prices , I like to keep them low :P
                        dead.

                        Comment

                        • Jimbo
                          Confirmed User
                          • Oct 2001
                          • 3989

                          #13
                          machinegunkelly is the SHIT!

                          just look at www.easyteenpics.com

                          nothing more to add, did I say hes the SHIT! yet?

                          Machinegunkelly!

                          YOUR THE SHIT!
                          free sex videos

                          Comment

                          • Babagirls
                            Text Writer
                            • Feb 2001
                            • 18812

                            #14
                            i think ALL designers should do that. maybe even go through escrow.com or something but I'm all about stopping scammers, so i support you 100%




                            Need a Text Writer?
                            Blogs|Reviews|Descriptions|Paysites|TGP's|Stories

                            ICQ: 397892500

                            Comment

                            • PurrrsianPussyKat
                              Confirmed User
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 2088

                              #15
                              Designers shouldn't have to chase clients for payment.
                              You are taking the right path!
                              Good luck!
                              Need a reliable, reasonably priced php programmer? Hit me up! 2934409

                              Comment

                              • BigBen
                                Confirmed User
                                • Nov 2004
                                • 2299

                                #16
                                Kel does great work and was very helpful to me. I have no problem paying upfront for quality design and service

                                Comment

                                • CDSmith
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • May 2001
                                  • 51460

                                  #17
                                  I've been by no means a full-time designer, but have done smaller jobs for various people and companies over the years. I'd say that most of them paid me up front without me even asking..... those were all the no-shit no-nonsense types who get things done and demand the same from those they do business with.

                                  As for the few others, my policy has always been this:
                                  I do the work.
                                  I put watermarks on the work, or screenshot it and put watermarks on it
                                  I let the client view the work (screenshotted and watermarked)
                                  The client does NOT recieve the actual finished work until they pay. Period.
                                  No money, no worky, no exceptions.
                                  Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!

                                  ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!!

                                  Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket.
                                  ICQ me at: 31024634

                                  Comment

                                  • Lee
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Aug 2002
                                    • 2977

                                    #18
                                    I cant say I blame you.

                                    On the flipside I always pay my designers in full upfront as I really dont like owing money but its amazing how many flake on you. This isnt aimed at Kelly btw who I know is one of the good guys.

                                    Comment

                                    • machinegunkelly
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Jun 2003
                                      • 3304

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by CDSmith
                                      As for the few others, my policy has always been this:
                                      I do the work.
                                      I put watermarks on the work, or screenshot it and put watermarks on it
                                      I let the client view the work (screenshotted and watermarked)
                                      The client does NOT recieve the actual finished work until they pay. Period.
                                      No money, no worky, no exceptions.
                                      I used to do the watermark thing
                                      but as my general orders got larger it became more work to be removing watermarks off a bunch of galleries or whatever .

                                      I'm just gonna take it upfront , no exceptions from now on .
                                      dead.

                                      Comment

                                      • pxxx
                                        First African GFY Member
                                        • Mar 2004
                                        • 12114

                                        #20
                                        Your policy is your policy, and it must be adhered to. Good call.

                                        Comment

                                        • Headless
                                          Registered User
                                          • Jan 2001
                                          • 26727

                                          #21
                                          Good for you! I dont understand how ppl can outsource work and then not pay for it. I recently had some design work done and I had the check overnighted because the designer got my shit done extra early.

                                          You do work for me, you get paid. Simply as that.

                                          Comment

                                          • Rui
                                            web
                                            • Dec 2001
                                            • 9533

                                            #22
                                            I can totaly relate with what you are saying

                                            Comment

                                            • GoodStuff
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Feb 2005
                                              • 511

                                              #23
                                              I haven't been around that long, but can already see your point. with the few clients I have had. It seems like the faster they want you to do it, the longer it takes for them to pay.

                                              Comment

                                              • pr0
                                                rockin tha trailerpark
                                                • May 2001
                                                • 23088

                                                #24
                                                Yea i ask for a screencap first, to see where its going, but once its where i want it, i always bust out half, then half on delivery.
                                                __________
                                                Loadedca$h - get sum! - Revengebucks - mmm rebills! - webair (gotz sErVrz)

                                                Comment

                                                • Juicy D. Links
                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                  • Apr 2001
                                                  • 122992

                                                  #25
                                                  Juicy D. has a 5k line of credit with Kelly

                                                  Comment

                                                  • machinegunkelly
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Jun 2003
                                                    • 3304

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Jimbo
                                                    machinegunkelly is the SHIT!

                                                    just look at www.easyteenpics.com

                                                    nothing more to add, did I say hes the SHIT! yet?

                                                    Machinegunkelly!

                                                    YOUR THE SHIT!

                                                    Wow , haven't seen that one in ages
                                                    Glad its doing well for you bro ;)

                                                    Thanks for the plug ;)
                                                    dead.

                                                    Comment

                                                    • pradaboy
                                                      sell me your banners
                                                      • Dec 2003
                                                      • 12931

                                                      #27
                                                      I have always paid my designers up front... I hate it when people have to wait for their hard earned money so this is normal to me. Needless to say I got burned a few times too of course.
                                                      Media Buyer - Sell me your traffic!
                                                      FREE to register domains...
                                                      Better than 99% of the crap sold here!

                                                      Comment

                                                      • Jimbo
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Oct 2001
                                                        • 3989

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by machinegunkelly
                                                        Wow , haven't seen that one in ages
                                                        Glad its doing well for you bro ;)

                                                        Thanks for the plug ;)
                                                        long story short:

                                                        I left a year and came back

                                                        tell me to never do that again!
                                                        free sex videos

                                                        Comment

                                                        • Machete_
                                                          WINNING!
                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                          • 14579

                                                          #29
                                                          That is good bussines ethicks

                                                          If you dont respect your own work, then why should the customer, and if they arent willing to pay most/all upfront, chances are then they might not pay when its done either...

                                                          If the design then dont end up being what you agreed, then they can have the money/some of it back

                                                          Comment

                                                          • candyflip
                                                            Carpe Visio
                                                            • Jul 2002
                                                            • 43069

                                                            #30
                                                            Good move.

                                                            I just bent the rules for someone, got them to sign a contract and it's STILL like pulling teeth to get fucking paid.

                                                            No more.

                                                            Spend you some brain.
                                                            Email Me

                                                            Comment

                                                            • venus
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Jan 2003
                                                              • 3112

                                                              #31
                                                              there is nothing wrong with your new policy, its pretty standard for allot of designers.
                                                              good luck with your collections, you should not have to chase people down, they should have automatically sent your money as soon as they approved the design work.
                                                              Muscle/Fitness Adult Affiliate Program
                                                              Since 1997 www.venuscash.com

                                                              Comment

                                                              • machinegunkelly
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Jun 2003
                                                                • 3304

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by candyflip
                                                                Good move.

                                                                I just bent the rules for someone, got them to sign a contract and it's STILL like pulling teeth to get fucking paid.

                                                                No more.
                                                                Thats where this thread came from .
                                                                Last week I posted this on my site www.twistedbydesigns.com

                                                                Then 2 days later I bent the rules for someone I have worked for over and over and over .. Rush rush rush , guys all over me to get it done always available to approve the file , soon as he says " its perfect " He fucks off till now .

                                                                Now he's online , ignoring my messages over a mere $250 .
                                                                Fuckin pisses me off .
                                                                dead.

                                                                Comment

                                                                • XPays
                                                                  Team Player
                                                                  • May 2004
                                                                  • 13002

                                                                  #33
                                                                  i need a cartoon logo for a section of nicolelenz asap - invoice me to evan @ xpays and put me in the line please.
                                                                  InterNext Expo Domain Auction Live Now thru Feb 5
                                                                  HuntingMoon GFY Domains Marketplace is LIVE
                                                                  XPays always pays! Top Site: * RealJasmine.com * + HotelHeiress® with The Paris Hilton Sex Video
                                                                  Insert the HotelHeiress® HD FEED into your members areas
                                                                  XPin.com Opening for Pin Partners Soonish
                                                                  Mainstream Offers For Emailers and DomainersNONADULT.COM


                                                                  Like Us!

                                                                  Comment

                                                                  • evanmorgan
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Aug 2004
                                                                    • 2490

                                                                    #34
                                                                    as long as you dont do shitty work, it shouldnt matter....
                                                                    Perfect for Asian, Petite,Teen, Exotic, Bikini, Solo girl, Panty, Softcore and Cameltoe Traffic

                                                                    100% Exclusive Girls and Content

                                                                    Comment

                                                                    • machinegunkelly
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                                      • 3304

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by XPays
                                                                      i need a cartoon logo for a section of nicolelenz asap - invoice me to evan @ xpays and put me in the line please.
                                                                      Sent .
                                                                      8char
                                                                      dead.

                                                                      Comment

                                                                      • CDSmith
                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                        • May 2001
                                                                        • 51460

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by machinegunkelly
                                                                        I used to do the watermark thing
                                                                        but as my general orders got larger it became more work to be removing watermarks off a bunch of galleries or whatever .

                                                                        I'm just gonna take it upfront , no exceptions from now on .
                                                                        Well, if it was 100 galleries I wouldn't be watermarking all of them. I'd do 1 or 2, that should be good enough of a look at the work for them to know they're getting quality. No way would I let it be a big imposition on my time.

                                                                        And further to the subject: it's not about not trusting anyone.... it's about doing good business and keeping business good and fair on both ends...... AND.... it's about removing the possibility of there being an "incident" or bad blood developing.

                                                                        For the ones who delay or don't pay..... I have to wonder.... what do these people think is going to happen? You're not just going to be happy and lay down and take it.... eventually you're going to start getting angry to the point of never doing business with them again. It's nuts, but some people just don't seem to be thinking straight. It's good to have policies in place to make them think straight. :D
                                                                        Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!

                                                                        ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!!

                                                                        Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket.
                                                                        ICQ me at: 31024634

                                                                        Comment

                                                                        • DraX
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                                          • 7147

                                                                          #37
                                                                          yea down with the freeloaders

                                                                          Crap people sending orders and then sits on a big dildo up their ass feeling comfortable.

                                                                          You will get more quality time for other more important things
                                                                          Deposit Today With BTC - Play With Bitcoins

                                                                          Comment

                                                                          • loverboy
                                                                            When it rains, it pours
                                                                            • May 2003
                                                                            • 20609

                                                                            #38
                                                                            i can feel your pain, ived been there once and it sucks
                                                                            when your clients give lots of excuses when they get
                                                                            their receipt. you just to play agressive and bent the
                                                                            rules sometimes to benefit you.

                                                                            Comment

                                                                            • Meloman
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                                              • 1540

                                                                              #39
                                                                              I think you're implementing a fair strategy. If someone needs work done why would it matter to them whether they pay upfront or afterwards UNLESS they are short on cash and are going to fuck you in the end.

                                                                              I always "assumed" that people paid upfront or at least 50%. I've rarely had any design work done but when I have I always offered to pay upfront as soon as the deal was made. Some take it, some want only 50% while others just let me send in after the work is done.

                                                                              Regardless I've always offered to pay upfront just assuming that's how it works. I just make sure to go with reputable designers to cut out my chances of getting ripped off.
                                                                              Last edited by Meloman; 06-01-2005, 11:26 AM.

                                                                              Comment

                                                                              • Webby
                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                                • 14956

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by machinegunkelly
                                                                                Hey everyone ,
                                                                                I'd like to take this moment to let you all know about my new payment policy .
                                                                                Basically I don't care who you are , who you SAY you are , or who you were .

                                                                                From now on you are going to pay for design from Twistedbydesigns upfront .
                                                                                Sad ya gotta do that man, but could not agree more!

                                                                                There are just too many total assholes around, most of whom are wannabees with nada clue and others claim to be masters of the industry, but ain't got a dime.

                                                                                Good luck - I'm sure you'll do just nicely!
                                                                                XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

                                                                                Comment

                                                                                • machinegunkelly
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Jun 2003
                                                                                  • 3304

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Webby
                                                                                  There are just too many total assholes around, most of whom are wannabees with nada clue and others claim to be masters of the industry, but ain't got a dime.
                                                                                  Very true ,
                                                                                  Specially around GFY
                                                                                  dead.

                                                                                  Comment

                                                                                  • Nicky
                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                    • Mar 2003
                                                                                    • 30071

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    good luck with your new plan, hope it works out for ya

                                                                                    gfynicky @ gmail.com

                                                                                    Comment

                                                                                    • pornguy
                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                      • Mar 2003
                                                                                      • 62912

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Thats a tuff one. I would find some kind of an escrow company to use if I were you. that way, you both have a way to appeal.
                                                                                      PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic

                                                                                      AmateurDough The Hottes Shemales online!
                                                                                      TChicks.com | Angeles Cid | Mariana Cordoba | MAILERS WELCOME!

                                                                                      Comment

                                                                                      • Snake Doctor
                                                                                        I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                                                        • Mar 2001
                                                                                        • 13449

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        I won't pay a designer upfront, or a content producer.
                                                                                        Been there, done that, had them disappear on me the same way your clients seem to disappear on you.

                                                                                        I've also found that with C.O.D. I get my stuff much faster and getting changes/tweaks done is no problem
                                                                                        sig too big

                                                                                        Comment

                                                                                        • eroswebmaster
                                                                                          March 1st, 2003
                                                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                                                          • 20295

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Hey man..I understand exactly where you are coming from and glad you are taking this approach.

                                                                                          My projects are kind of up in the air right now...busy on so many other things but I will still be getting them done using you And I always like to pay up front 100%
                                                                                          For rent - ICQ 127-027-910
                                                                                          Click here for more details

                                                                                          Comment

                                                                                          • eroswebmaster
                                                                                            March 1st, 2003
                                                                                            • Jul 2001
                                                                                            • 20295

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by Lenny2
                                                                                            I won't pay a designer upfront, or a content producer.
                                                                                            Been there, done that, had them disappear on me the same way your clients seem to disappear on you.

                                                                                            I've also found that with C.O.D. I get my stuff much faster and getting changes/tweaks done is no problem
                                                                                            From now on I'm charging you 150% up front.
                                                                                            For rent - ICQ 127-027-910
                                                                                            Click here for more details

                                                                                            Comment

                                                                                            • Nysus
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Aug 2001
                                                                                              • 7817

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Just curious what your policy is on clients that aren't happy with the results? Do you just base things on time you've spent on things?



                                                                                              Matt
                                                                                              What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now

                                                                                              Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for *pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets*

                                                                                              See http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=16744521 and for more detailed see http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948645

                                                                                              Comment

                                                                                              • Snake Doctor
                                                                                                I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                                                                • Mar 2001
                                                                                                • 13449

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by eroswebmaster
                                                                                                From now on I'm charging you 150% up front.
                                                                                                I thought you weren't available for freelance design anyways?

                                                                                                And you know I always pay promptly once my project has been delivered
                                                                                                sig too big

                                                                                                Comment

                                                                                                • Dalai lama
                                                                                                  Strength and Honor
                                                                                                  • Jul 2004
                                                                                                  • 16540

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Toomany assholes here.

                                                                                                  A program you can trust.
                                                                                                  Gallerybooster Run multiply TGPs of 1 script

                                                                                                  Comment

                                                                                                  • Platinumpimp
                                                                                                    Logos and such.
                                                                                                    • Jan 2004
                                                                                                    • 10214

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Good decission dude.
                                                                                                    I design logo's.

                                                                                                    Comment

                                                                                                    Working...