you think a surfer will pull out a cc to relieve themselves? they can do it with free porn :1orglaugh a surfer that signs up, gets off and cancels is useless! you want to peek their interest.. want to make them see more.. beyond the i want to get off.. surfers will pay for something they can not get for free. you just need to interest them enough.. whether that be 6 pics or 16 pics.. doesn't matter. galleries are an ad device to get them to check out the sponsor.

Too bad not every affiliate thinks like this, yet they cry about ratios.

Colin, wikipedia has a section for tgp2, I think they mention you ;-)

so you're saying that if i have traffic, i should not use FHG and waste my time creating 1000s galleries.. btw. they have to be mostly unique otherwise they are pretty much worthless.. i could get 10,000 galleries from 20-30 sponsors and be making money with my traffic instantly.. sure you get no traffic back from them.. but they make sales.

I was working on something like this.. I bought up a ton of domains for specific sites and niches.. Was planing on hosting all my own galleries across these domains.. However this new 2257 is putting a hold on that for now.

once this 2257 stuff gets worked out I might be up for it.

How can see making your own galleries as wasting time?

But hey if you are happy with what you get stick with it man! :thumbsup

But all I am saying is that I rather have 10000 galleries that I made myself and that I have controll over then 10000 FHG.

Ratios will be better...traffic will be better and so on and so on....

And about your post just here above...ones again you think like a webmaster and not a surfer.

you could.. but those that submit galleries with 100 pics are idiots..or cheaters. odds are they can't afford to pay the bw bill and will shut down in a week. just like submitters that submit pics with no ads on them.. they won't get listed.

there is no proof that 15 pic or 16 pic galleries make more sales.. there is proof though that a 15 or 16 pic gallery will get listed more often than a 6 pic gallery.. more listing = more traffic = more sales = more $$$

i'm not arguing the less is more theory... it's true.. but no one will give you traffic!

Nice to see some sensible discussion here at GFY.

Another thing that hasn't been mentioned is 2257. Are you affraid of 2257? TGP2 is your answer. TGP2 sites would love non nude galleries.

Funny. I had a gallery on Richards-Realm once and it did very well. Tawnee and Jordan Capri with not a whole lot showing. Only a few pics. Recently I redid the graphics and resubmitted it. They turned it down because it didn't show enough nudity. The same gallery had sold a total of 10 memberships and is responsible for 3 months of rebills on 8 of them...

What does that tell you? Webmasters are mistaken and have lost site of why surfers like Lightspeed in the first place. Softcore-teasing... The guy has built an empire on it and webmasters are to thick headed to realize that.

Im sorry is this mic on...testing testing...1...2...3....

Did I not say in my thread....We are building a network!
There will be sites to trade with...YOU will not get to submit your galleries to other people...
You will have to build your own sites to get traffic.

We dont want any freeloader webmasters. We want people who are willing to work for the traffic.

How hard is it to understand?

Quit encouraging the idiots. ;)

I've NEVER tried TGP2....

Is there a place I could get a good list of TGP2 to submit?

that's called a personal hub.. nothing new.. i have my own tgps will my own galleries as well.

i think i'm thinking more of a surfer than you.. you're thinking like a webmaster when you say give them less porn.. you have to give what the surfer wants.. if they would rather visit a tgp1 rather than a tgp2 what should you make?

btw, the mentaility of keeping traffic within my own circle.. don't leak out traffic.. etc. was exactly what i thought when i first started out.. but i've learned it simply doesn't work that way..

good luck with your reinvention of tgp2.. unless it's radically different from the original one, it will fail again just like the first time

Nice one Snesei. I never did nuch with the tgp2, but did use the free sites. Made some cahs, but not as much as I would have liked.

Why do I even bother....

Bedtime now...I get back to this thread tomorrow!

this was the same idea the first time around.. eventually webmasters saw that the traffic was simply not there and dropped like flies out of the network.

Interesting concept if you ask me.

You are seriously lost. I make more than the average TGP submitter with non nude shit pushing a fraction of their traffic. Just because you can't figure out how doesn't mean it isn't being done. In the grand scheme of things TGP sucks.

Here you go:
http://www.tgp2gallerypool.com/tgp2/ (Pool to submit to)
http://www.pickland.net/post.cgi
http://tgp2topless.com/bigboobs.html
http://generaltgp2.buttslut.net/webmasters.html
http://porn-sex-central.com/submit.php
http://www.babe-buffet.com/post.php
http://www.eroticcandyland.com/cgi/tgp/new2.cgi?t
http://www.hotboxhotel.com/post.php
http://www.jpgtgp.com/tgp/submit.cgi
http://www.porn-navigator.com/tgp2-submissions.html
http://www.sexhungryass.com/cgi-bin/tgp2/submit.cgi
http://www.thumbnailsex.com/submit.htm
http://www.weedguy.com/cgi-bin/submit.cgi
http://xxxratedamateurs.com/tgp/tgpost.cgi
http://www.greatfreehost.com/www/aa11cc/form.html
http://tgptwo.net/wm/submit.html
http://thumbsgallerypost.com/submit.htm
http://www.free-nude-pics-gallery.com/ct/webmaster/

And If any one with a TGP2 site that want to do hardlink or trade link with me, hit me up on ICQ.

http://www.tgp2gallerypool.com is a good start.
You will probably find links to more places from there.

Well... Time to fire up the networks and build the galleries... TGP2 is back and Cum Sensei is going to take this thing and run with it. You can either be on the train or off the chain, it doesn't really matter to me. I prefer having little or no competition. Though, it'd be nice to have some of you to trade with.

Very well said :thumbsup

I've been doing Tgp2 since the very begaining and let me tell you it does work better then the tgp norm.

Oz

sheep never learn

Also note that one submit to http://www.eroticcandyland.com/cgi/tgp/new2.cgi?t will get you listed on four sites by niche. Many more being added soon.
http://eroticcandyland.com/tgp/main.shtml
http://pussy-pics-free.com/
http://fetish.pussy-pics-free.com/
http://teen.pussy-pics-free.com/

Why work hard when you can work smart. And thats what Tgp2 does is work smart.

Oz

CumSensei you should really come by our board at http://tgp2base.com and see what we have been up to.

:winkwink:
Oz

i think you are deluded.. :1orglaugh

the average TGP submitter makes shit.. which is why they complain that TGP sucks.. if everyone made lots in TGP then the serious submitters would be in trouble..

saying you make a little more than shit pushing non-nude stuff is not saying much..

Tgp2 R.I.P :2 cents:

This thread brings good feelings. I'm glad to see a discussion about TGP2 in here. There are those that are doing well and others that are doing poorly. TGP2 is like a family. When one is hurting we are there trying to help.

It is pretty cool

Twilite

While were talking about TGP2. Over at the TGP2 gallerypool the rules clealry state no outside links but what about 2257? We HAVE to have 2257 links on our pages. Is this rule going to be amended?

i second that.. :pimp

C'mon, laws are always adhered to.

Thanks Alex!! :thumbsup

I'm sure that would be ok as I review the pool. That will have to change.

I make a lot more than 99.9% of TGP submitters. And I don't push millions of hits / day through my servers. Make sense?

you know that you contradicted yourself.. :1orglaugh

if you've figured it out, why does it "suck"

TGP is probably the longest running successful porn story.. since the beginning it's been there and still alive and kicking today. if it sucks so much, why are there still plenty of TGPs? why are there still plenty of submitters? that's right.. because it works! TGP2 never lived up to it's potential and probably never will.

i'm not saying it's the best converting traffic.. mostly due to the clueless webmasters that try to sell the paysites they promote as "free".. but it makes money and is just another source of traffic and revenue.

Probally for the same reason millions of people each year still spend $39.95 to find out how to make millions of $ from their one bedroom apartments using tiny classified ads.

I been there browsing man. Looks real good but the network that will be built on my end are as I feel it a little more agressive then the normal tgp2 site rules...but maby I am worng.

And we got the forum setup for this whole oldschoolt concepts...

We will be building:
toplists.
Picposts (Do you remember these?)
Link lists
tgp2

All working interlinked. We are starting to grow a nice little clan at my forum so I think in say 6 months or so this will be fucking kickin ass!

We are gonna suply all people who want in with everything they need to get started including scripts and directions and guidence how to proceed.

Like I said before..this is my own little crusade and if I can change the mind of a few people to follow this idea I will be happy.

Btw...I just got contacted by one of the big players in the industry about this idea...intressting :)

When I get home in the morning I will be converting two TGP's and an MGP. Thanks for the links that were posting. I hope they will be ready to trade.

Just curious, I like the TGP2 concept. And I honestly do believe in it. People might be calling it dead, but many do call the non nude scene dead as well.(18+) While it's not.

Anyway, the problem I had at the time, that I only got like 2-3 joins a day. The conversions were good indeed. But 2-3 a day was not enough for me. I tried some things, however, the traffic in the pool at that time was very limited. And I good not increase the amount of joins.

Is this changed already? Just curious, you can also hit me up on ICQ, if you don't wanna discuss this in public

Andre

the TGP2 concept was good in theory.. but most encounted what you did.. low traffic which resulted in low sales.. no matter how good conversions are.. converting zero in zero is zero! most felt the time they put into it was not worth the little sales they did get..

TGP2 and non-nude sites is not necessarily dead.. it's just not active with a lot of support.. if you have your own sites and traffic.. you can do whatever you want.. :winkwink: it's just not approved by the big TGPs

i have nothing against TGP2.. it would be great if there was more support.. but the reality is you WILL NOT be getting big traffic from the big TGP guys to your TGP2 galleries and non-nude sites.. without traffic, you got no sales..

cumsensei, just curious.. were you in the biz the first time around? unless you have some new engenious approach to TGP2, history will repeat itself.. :2 cents:

Yes I was when the first run happent.

I also know what killed it back then and it was not just low traffic.

And yes this time around things will be different.

in 2005 or 2001?

will the hun take a tgp2 gallery now? how about paid spots?

I dont think the hun takes tgp2 style galleries today...he require at least 10 pictures if im not wrong...
He might let you have them on html though...

good shit Sensei, im hitting u up on icq now :thumbsup

Annasporn has submitted them to the hun with success.

Sounds great. Glad to see you as jazzed about Tgp2 as the reat of us Tgp2 webmasters at Tgp2 Base.

Perhaps we can work together on some of this. We have been doing simular stuff as your crew. We've been doing Tgp2 since the begaining in July of 2001. We have tried almost everything and know what works and doesn't work. Toplist, Picpost and the such are great sources for traffic.

One thing everyone forgets is traffic can be bought and sent to Tgp2 sites and galleries. It does pay off. It sure more sense then buying a gallery spot and making little or no sales.

Tgp2 simply converts better then the industry norm. So no traffic isn't as big a factor as everyone thinks it is. If you can't get it then buy it! Duh.
:winkwink:

OzKaNoz
Still Tgp2 after all these years. :thumbsup

For sure we will contact you when we have a simple network online man.
I am expecting nothing else! :)

I want a close working relation. Just want to get my stuff online first :)

Please explain D..

Looks like Cum Sensei is on a conversion roll... and everyone else is invited.

Sounds like a winner :thumbsup
Looking forward to it.

Oz