How much will USA loose in companies moving out from the country? 2257. - GoFuckYourself.com

CumSensei · 05-31-2005, 01:41 PM

Lot´s of people I talked to are moving their bizz outside US to not have to bother about this 2257 shit.

But this must also mean USA will loose alot of money right?

nastyking · 05-31-2005, 01:42 PM

not much, see http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=474638

sixxxthsense · 05-31-2005, 01:43 PM

howmuch Money will stay in the US, since most if not all the new content will haveto be shot in the US?

StuartD · 05-31-2005, 01:45 PM

probably the same amount as when they all left because of acacia, visa and Bush winning the election.

Veterans Day · 05-31-2005, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

probably the same amount as when they all left because of acacia, visa and Bush winning the election.

that about sums it up correctly, 99% of all talk is nothing more than hot air.

sperbonzo · 05-31-2005, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

probably the same amount as when they all left because of acacia, visa and Bush winning the election.

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Lot´s of people I talked to are moving their bizz outside US to not have to bother about this 2257 shit.

But this must also mean USA will loose alot of money right?

WAIT! That's True! The US economy will be in big trouble if the internet porn industry leaves!

sperbonzo · 05-31-2005, 01:52 PM

(Don't mean to laugh at you cumsensei.....no hard feelings ok?) It's just the the revenues generated by the entire online adult business combined don't even match 1/4 of a large retailer, like Walmart for example.

CumSensei · 05-31-2005, 01:56 PM

Hey what do I know...but lots of small companies making cash but leaving the country still hurts..maby not as much as if wallmart closed down but still.

Serge Litehead · 05-31-2005, 02:25 PM

if primary producer is located outside of US and have their affiliates (secondary producers) based in the US they are still required to comply, right?

TheDoc · 05-31-2005, 02:58 PM

US paysite companies are going to have a hard time moving out side of the United States. VISA regs say the owner of the US processed company must be American (with a ssn) and live within the states. Same goes for EU based processing, the owner has to be a resident in that EU country.

Braincash Fred · 05-31-2005, 03:14 PM

Enough to go into a recession...

Michaelious · 05-31-2005, 03:16 PM

How much of a pain in the backside is this 2257?

NetRodent · 05-31-2005, 03:56 PM

How much will you lose if you stop picking pennies up off the street?

I imagine that propotionally it works out to about the same.

Webby · 05-31-2005, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Michaelious

How much of a pain in the backside is this 2257?

Substantial Michaelious!! :-)

It's a law that would be (and has) been accepted in the US. It's not the type of law that has a chance in hell of existing in the EU or most other places. The US has an undercurrent of very warped ideas - mainly coming for a minority and they can cause havoc.

If you are actually sitting on the top of heather-covered hills in Scotland - there is no way ya need to be concerned about US charades :-) Just don't host in the US and have nada contact on a biz level - it's far easier.

I'm spread over several countries and have no US hosting and none of these countries are the slightest bit interested in listening to US Civil Code - they have their own laws.

Who knows what may happen, but I can't see even US folks sitting back and accepting some of the elements in 2257 - if they do, I give up all faith in em!:-)

Currently the US DOJ have made statements about "foreign servers" and these are, as most is, more verbal. The US has the right to block "foreign servers" - the same as any country has. But, that does not happen without hearings, - not just in the US, but with other trading partners/countries - that will take years to resolve.

The same bs was adopted by the online gambling industry.. and ya know what happened to that. ie.. WTO judgement against the US and now a considerable amount of gambling operations are being operated via the EU countries. Frankly.. I dunno why the US keeps shooting itself in the foot.

EZRhino · 05-31-2005, 04:55 PM

Its not just 2257 but mainstream industry as well. Why should companies stay in the US when they can get better tax breaks and advantages in other contries

Webby · 05-31-2005, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CumSensei

Lot´s of people I talked to are moving their bizz outside US to not have to bother about this 2257 shit.

But this must also mean USA will loose alot of money right?

Well yea! :-)

Tho.. they will pretend it does not matter and more important claim being that "we are protecting our children".

Truth is, they failed miserbly to instigate one charge since the 90's under 2257 and protected nothing. The other element, financial, - you actually think they care about the adult economy? Na :-) Just gimme anothe pile of credit cards and more credit from Asia to let me continiue living in debt.

kristin · 05-31-2005, 05:07 PM

We won't loose a lot of money, maybe lose a lot of money. ; )

Webby · 05-31-2005, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by EZRhino

Its not just 2257 but mainstream industry as well. Why should companies stay in the US when they can get better tax breaks and advantages in other contries

Gotta agree with that! :-) There was a time, not long ago, where, tho the US may not have been an "ideal" for the net, - it was tolerable and OK.

Now.. between the credit card fiasco with VISA US, the failures of iBill blah and now the US govt stuffing their nose into the internet pie - it's gotta be one of the most unfavorable locations for any net business (but better than Iraq).

Also consider... there are numbers of countries who operated on a geo taxation principle and these countries do not even think of charging taxes on net revenue, so hard not to consider all these options when chosing a location.

directfiesta · 05-31-2005, 05:21 PM

Hosting already lost some $$$$

Why risk if you can do it out of the US ?

reynold · 05-31-2005, 05:53 PM

Why give a damn--the idiots themselves should figure that out!

escorpio · 05-31-2005, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

probably the same amount as when they all left because of acacia, visa and Bush winning the election.

that was good

Major (Tom) · 05-31-2005, 06:05 PM

you leave the country and you loose adults best friend. The 1st ammendant

Duke

directfiesta · 05-31-2005, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

that was good

White House Wants ISPs to Turn Over Records

That is good !

leia · 05-31-2005, 06:21 PM

Perhaps the underlying problem is that the general public doesn't feel it can be held liable for sharing illegal adult material, and [the doj] is using us as examples that attempt to demonstrate just how close to home these compliance issues are. By being outrageous, they get in position to take down at will whatever they want. What the gvt does not realize is that in their "solution" to the "problem" will only result in the loss of jobs, federal income, and increase the gap between small and big business online. With pensions and heath insurance failing, the "get out" syndrome, similar to rats jumping out of the sinking ship methaphor, is more than just a shapshot of the adult industry reality.

Webby · 05-31-2005, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

White House Wants ISPs to Turn Over Records

That is good !

If anyone was on the verge of switching off the light and leaving the US - that alone is enough to sway em over the edge :-)

Welcome to the age of "control" and information overload!

CumSensei · 06-01-2005, 01:38 AM

This is real fucked up. Fuck I hate the US goverment and that fucking wanker bush.
Bring back bill! ;)

GatorB · 06-01-2005, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by CumSensei

Lot´s of people I talked to are moving their bizz outside US to not have to bother about this 2257 shit.

But this must also mean USA will loose alot of money right?

Yes all those $500 a month TGPs posters are going to pick up their families and move to Holland now.

GigoloJustin · 06-01-2005, 02:23 AM

Moving away isn't going to help anything.

CumSensei · 06-01-2005, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Yes all those $500 a month TGPs posters are going to pick up their families and move to Holland now.

I am not talking about you. I am talking about the people making REAL money.

TheSwed · 06-01-2005, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

White House Wants ISPs to Turn Over Records

That is good !

that is scary

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leia Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Alderaan Posts: 51	Perhaps the underlying problem is that the general public doesn't feel it can be held liable for sharing illegal adult material, and [the doj] is using us as examples that attempt to demonstrate just how close to home these compliance issues are. By being outrageous, they get in position to take down at will whatever they want. What the gvt does not realize is that in their "solution" to the "problem" will only result in the loss of jobs, federal income, and increase the gap between small and big business online. With pensions and heath insurance failing, the "get out" syndrome, similar to rats jumping out of the sinking ship methaphor, is more than just a shapshot of the adult industry reality. Last edited by leia; 05-31-2005 at 06:23 PM.. Reason: added [doj]

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