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LAJ · 06-01-2005, 09:25 AM

A column from pro-censorship conservative activist Judith Reisman is causing quite a stir in some online adult entertainment circles. Reisman, upset that porn actress Mary Carey will be attending a dinner with President Bush, claimed in her column published on WorldNetDaily.com that the adult entertainment industry would like to legalize child pornography.

?Despite present denials, pornographers would like to see us legalize prostitution and child pornography, as well as all mind-altering drugs like marijuana, LSD, cocaine,? Reisman wrote.

Reisman offered no reason for making this claim...

Story continues at:
http://www.ynot.com/modules.php?op=m...rder=0&thold=0

Thoughts?

tony286 · 06-01-2005, 09:35 AM

did you read what mike south wrote back to her?

tony286 · 06-01-2005, 09:36 AM

The Doctor Responds:

Dear Mr. South,

I appreciate you taking the time out to defend your position.

You write as one who works daily for pornography producers?all adults.

I write as one who works daily with pornography?s victims?adults and children.

This accounts for the difference in our views and our reality.

I don't expect you to publish this, nor do I expect to change your mind, but I do hope I have at least educated you to some degree.

Thank you,

jar

To which I reply:

I would actually appreciate an education, please explain to me or point me to reliable reading that explains who these victims of pornography are and how it is that pornography has made them victims.

I would think that the people you work with are much more likely to be victims of abusive childhood, abusive relationships or compulsive behaviour, no more a victim of pornography than a person killed by a drunk driver is a victim of a Budweiser Clydesdale.

While there may be a certain correlation that has no scientific meaning the cause and effect have nothing to do with pornography

Respectfully,

Mike South

Why Do We Let Them Do This Shit?:

I read Dr Reisman's article on worldnetdaily.com today.

I couldn't help but respond. I sent her the following...copied to the editor at worldnetdaily.com

Dr Reisman,

I have worked in the adult video industry for 13+ years, prior to that time I was a computer scientist at NASA and have worked for about every defense contractor known to man.

I entered the adult industry pretty much by accident but I found that it wasn't at all what I thought it was, I found kindred spirits and equally professional people, people like Dave Cummings, a retired Lt Colonel, former advisor to the Joint Cheifs of Staff and instructor at West Point. A man who anyone can respect, and a pornographer.

You made the quote:
"However, pornography is no joke. Thousands of children are kidnapped each year and forced into sex slavery ? commonly preserved as pornography. In 1999, the U.S. Department of Justice recorded 58,200 children kidnapped by non-family members! "

What you failed to do is link this, in any way, shape or form to pornography. We have plenty of adults who willingly get into this business, we don't need or want children. As for myself there are even some adults I won't shoot because I don't think them to be mature enough to be doing it, or I think they are doing it for the wrong reasons, those reasons include drugs and as a quick fix to a financial problem that will only return in another month or so.

If what you are saying is that these abductions indicate that prostitution should be outlawed then again I think you miss the point. Legalized prostitution makes both the women and the men safer, one only need to look at Nevada Brothels to understand that. When prostitutes have a clean and safe place to work they don't have to work in the streets, which should be illegal. They don't have to be scared to call the police and report a crime, robbery, or assault against them.

You state:

"Despite present denials, pornographers would like to see us legalize prostitution and child pornography, as well as all mind-altering drugs like marijuana, LSD, cocaine. These "businesses" will really "contribute" billions to the national economy. "

Come on Doctor Reisman, you know as well as I that you are grandstanding here. I do not know of one pornographer, and I know LOTS of them, who would support child pornography or even lowering the age of majority, in fact many support raising the age to 21.

As for legalizing prostitution, yes most pornographers would probably agree with that one, but so does a large portion of the population not in pornography, maybe even a majority of us. After all should it really be illegal to sell something that it is perfectly legal to give away? And is the regulation of consenting adults in the privacy of their own homes and businesses really a proper function of government? The Republican Party claims to be the party of less government so why do they want to put government agencies in our homes to monitor and approve our sexual behaviour?

Now when it comes to legalization of drugs, I would guess the adult industry would be as split on that statistically as the American population is, plenty would oppose such a move and plenty would applaud it.

In conclusion I would like to point out the following:

Your underage son or daughter is:

OVER 100,000 times MORE likely to be sexually abused by a family member or a friend than by someone in the adult industry

OVER 10,000 times MORE likely to be sexually abused by a clergy member than by someone in the adult industry

OVER 10,000 times MORE likely to be sexually abused by a teacher or day care provider than by someone in the adult industry

OVER 10,000 times MORE likely to be sexually abused by a complete stranger than by someone in the adult industry

OVER 1,000 times MORE likely to be sexually abused by a member of the American Family Association than by someone in the adult industry

So why is it everyone seems to be pointing the finger of blame at us? Child abusers go where the children are, there are no children in porn.

Could we just for once, stop with the rhetoric and untruths about the adult industry and present us fairly?

Could we for once just step back and say hey it's just sex, we are all adults what you do in your bedroom is no more my business that it is your business what I do in mine?

The sexual exploitation of children is a particularly abhorrent crime, could we for once start looking for it where it really happens? If ending this exploitation is really your goal maybe you and I have common ground. If not please feel free to continue to push an agenda that in reality is nothing more than an attempt to circumvent the free speech rights of consenting adults.

I don't expect you to publish this, nor do I expect to change your mind, but I do hope I have at least educated you to some degree.

TheSenator · 06-01-2005, 09:44 AM

WTF??? I have a family. Judith Reisman is simply projecting her real feelings. She likes porn, she likes being a slave, etc... Psychology 101
http://www.heretical.com/sexsci/bpsychol.html
Freudian Projection

ronaldo · 06-01-2005, 09:45 AM

Great response Tony.

Unfortunately, this line from your second last paragraph..."If not please feel free to continue to push an agenda that in reality is nothing more than an attempt to circumvent the free speech rights of consenting adults," is ultimately what will happen.

There's no changing the mind of these people no matter how hard you try. I hope one day that statement becomes baseless.

TheSenator · 06-01-2005, 09:46 AM

"Projection is the opposite defence mechanism to identification. We project our own unpleasant feelings onto someone else and blame them for having thoughts that we really have."

JFK · 06-01-2005, 09:50 AM

I think that woman needs to work out some serious personal issues, if she actually believes what she is spouting

SmokeyTheBear · 06-01-2005, 09:51 AM

I can't read that shit it makes me so mad.

ADL Colin · 06-01-2005, 09:53 AM

"I'm especially looking forward to meeting Karl Rove. Smart men like him are so sexy. I know that he's against gay marriage, but I think I can convince him that a little girl-on-girl action now and then isn't so bad!" - Mary Carey

My money's on Karl.

JD · 06-01-2005, 09:56 AM

she needs a good DP session

directfiesta · 06-01-2005, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFK

....if she actually believes what she is spouting

Don't care what SHE believes...

The problem is what she gets the sheeps to believe

opflix · 06-01-2005, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404

I don't expect you to publish this, nor do I expect to change your mind, but I do hope I have at least educated you to some degree.

dude, you have my ULTIMATE respect for what you wrote. every thought that could ever go thru my mind about the subject, you put into words. this needs to be EVERYWHERE. mail it to CNN headline news, mail it to ANYONE that will print it. PLEASE.

..

SykkBoy · 06-01-2005, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Don't care what SHE believes...

The problem is what she gets the sheeps to believe

of your 7500 posts, I think this is the first time I'd say "I totally agree" to one of them

;-)

Terenzo · 06-01-2005, 11:11 AM

very nice, thanks a lot.

Phoenix · 06-01-2005, 11:14 AM

wow..she has no business offering any opinion..especially to the masses

Manowar · 06-01-2005, 11:21 AM

someone needs to give her some Facial Abuse

CHMOD · 06-01-2005, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LAJ

A column from pro-censorship conservative activist Judith Reisman is causing quite a stir in some online adult entertainment circles. Reisman, upset that porn actress Mary Carey will be attending a dinner with President Bush, claimed in her column published on WorldNetDaily.com that the adult entertainment industry would like to legalize child pornography.

?Despite present denials, pornographers would like to see us legalize prostitution and child pornography, as well as all mind-altering drugs like marijuana, LSD, cocaine,? Reisman wrote.

Reisman offered no reason for making this claim...

Story continues at:
http://www.ynot.com/modules.php?op=m...rder=0&thold=0

Thoughts?

People saying this kind of lies should be beaten to death.

MrFierce · 06-01-2005, 11:47 AM

I for one would really like to work in a sex and drug free workplace, free sex and drugs are about the only things that would motivate me to do some work HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA !!!! Seriously fuck that bitch Reichfuhrer or whatever her name is. It is time we got serious about having our own adult industry PAC to address congress for us.

xxxjay · 06-01-2005, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LAJ

A column from pro-censorship conservative activist Judith Reisman is causing quite a stir in some online adult entertainment circles. Reisman, upset that porn actress Mary Carey will be attending a dinner with President Bush, claimed in her column published on WorldNetDaily.com that the adult entertainment industry would like to legalize child pornography.

?Despite present denials, pornographers would like to see us legalize prostitution and child pornography, as well as all mind-altering drugs like marijuana, LSD, cocaine,? Reisman wrote.

Reisman offered no reason for making this claim...

Story continues at:
http://www.ynot.com/modules.php?op=m...rder=0&thold=0

Thoughts?

What an idiot. That is exactly the kind of publicity we DON'T NEED right now.

MikeXAMO · 06-01-2005, 12:03 PM

I will be writing a letter to the editor today regarding this story. We should all voice our opinions in a strongly worded letter to WorldNetDaily for publishing the article, opinion as it is, it's trash.

tony286 · 06-01-2005, 12:05 PM

FYI What I posted I didnt write Mike South did and I encouraged him to also write the NY Times. Mike is such a strong writer

CDSmith · 06-01-2005, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404

Mike is such a strong writer

Yes he is. I've read his stuff before and found that he knows how to get at the heart of the matter, makes solid points, then closes his argument well. His last reply you quoted was great.

Theo · 06-01-2005, 12:20 PM

she is older than my grandma. Time to seek and find god for good.

Mr.Fiction · 06-01-2005, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Don't care what SHE believes...

The problem is what she gets the sheeps to believe

Some of the sheep are on GFY - and even they will probably believe it because they read it on a right wing propaganda website.

ry0t · 06-01-2005, 12:34 PM

To whom this may concern:
I feel it was very wrong of you to publish a story saying that adult
industry wants to see c**** p**** and prostitution made legal
along with drugs. This is an outrage to most of the adult industry.
You have no right to do this. That is such a lie and you are wrong for
what you did. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Jarrod C

CDSmith · 06-01-2005, 12:39 PM

Her motives for writing that tripe are very transparent, and quite shallow. Hopefully some of those who read her opinion are smart enough to see that.

titmowse · 06-01-2005, 12:46 PM

Ah sweet Judy. Why oh why did Captain Kangaroo fire you?

Bhelliom1980 · 06-01-2005, 12:49 PM

from her post "What! Pornographers! Would we invite a Mafia Don and a stripper to a Republican fund-raiser?"

she seriously alluded that all pornographers are related to organized crome?

Bhelliom1980 · 06-01-2005, 12:53 PM

Note this typical news item just off the wire. On Tuesday, WTOL News in Toledo, Ohio, reported the way pornographers commonly secure "girl-on-girl action."

"Two teenage girls were abducted in East Toledo. The kidnappers took "the girls to several truck stops and forced them into prostitution." When the men were located by police, one of the girl's fathers bust into the address where his daughter was being kept. "
yep reisman... women aren't really interested in being lesbians... or on camera.... pornographers kidnapped them and forced them into it....right ok

Raven · 06-01-2005, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFK

I think that woman needs to work out some serious personal issues, if she actually believes what she is spouting

I think that woman probably needs some sexual fantasies with which to masturbate. Masturbation provides much needed release to repressed women.

Either that or she needs to get laid. Immediately.

06-01-2005, 09:25 AM	#1
LAJ Gingerific Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Austin Posts: 5,567	Censorship Advocate Reisman Claims ?Pornographers? Want to Legalize CP A column from pro-censorship conservative activist Judith Reisman is causing quite a stir in some online adult entertainment circles. Reisman, upset that porn actress Mary Carey will be attending a dinner with President Bush, claimed in her column published on WorldNetDaily.com that the adult entertainment industry would like to legalize child pornography. ?Despite present denials, pornographers would like to see us legalize prostitution and child pornography, as well as all mind-altering drugs like marijuana, LSD, cocaine,? Reisman wrote. Reisman offered no reason for making this claim... Story continues at: http://www.ynot.com/modules.php?op=m...rder=0&thold=0 Thoughts? __________________ YNOT.com - The original industry resource email jay at ynot dot com or skype LAJConsulting

06-01-2005, 09:44 AM	#4
TheSenator Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 13,336	WTF??? I have a family. Judith Reisman is simply projecting her real feelings. She likes porn, she likes being a slave, etc... Psychology 101 http://www.heretical.com/sexsci/bpsychol.html Freudian Projection __________________ ISeekGirls.com since 2005

06-01-2005, 09:46 AM	#6
TheSenator Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 13,336	"Projection is the opposite defence mechanism to identification. We project our own unpleasant feelings onto someone else and blame them for having thoughts that we really have." __________________ ISeekGirls.com since 2005

06-01-2005, 09:50 AM	#7
JFK FUBAR the ORIGINATOR Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: FUBARLAND Posts: 67,374	I think that woman needs to work out some serious personal issues, if she actually believes what she is spouting __________________ FUBAR Webmasters - The FUBAR Times - FUBAR Webmasters Mobile - FUBARTV.XXX For promo opps contact jfk at fubarwebmasters dot com

06-01-2005, 09:51 AM	#8
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	I can't read that shit it makes me so mad. __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

06-01-2005, 09:35 AM	#2
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	did you read what mike south wrote back to her?

06-01-2005, 09:36 AM	#3
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	The Doctor Responds: Dear Mr. South, I appreciate you taking the time out to defend your position. You write as one who works daily for pornography producers?all adults. I write as one who works daily with pornography?s victims?adults and children. This accounts for the difference in our views and our reality. I don't expect you to publish this, nor do I expect to change your mind, but I do hope I have at least educated you to some degree. Thank you, jar To which I reply: I would actually appreciate an education, please explain to me or point me to reliable reading that explains who these victims of pornography are and how it is that pornography has made them victims. I would think that the people you work with are much more likely to be victims of abusive childhood, abusive relationships or compulsive behaviour, no more a victim of pornography than a person killed by a drunk driver is a victim of a Budweiser Clydesdale. While there may be a certain correlation that has no scientific meaning the cause and effect have nothing to do with pornography Respectfully, Mike South Why Do We Let Them Do This Shit?: I read Dr Reisman's article on worldnetdaily.com today. I couldn't help but respond. I sent her the following...copied to the editor at worldnetdaily.com Dr Reisman, I have worked in the adult video industry for 13+ years, prior to that time I was a computer scientist at NASA and have worked for about every defense contractor known to man. I entered the adult industry pretty much by accident but I found that it wasn't at all what I thought it was, I found kindred spirits and equally professional people, people like Dave Cummings, a retired Lt Colonel, former advisor to the Joint Cheifs of Staff and instructor at West Point. A man who anyone can respect, and a pornographer. You made the quote: "However, pornography is no joke. Thousands of children are kidnapped each year and forced into sex slavery ? commonly preserved as pornography. In 1999, the U.S. Department of Justice recorded 58,200 children kidnapped by non-family members! " What you failed to do is link this, in any way, shape or form to pornography. We have plenty of adults who willingly get into this business, we don't need or want children. As for myself there are even some adults I won't shoot because I don't think them to be mature enough to be doing it, or I think they are doing it for the wrong reasons, those reasons include drugs and as a quick fix to a financial problem that will only return in another month or so. If what you are saying is that these abductions indicate that prostitution should be outlawed then again I think you miss the point. Legalized prostitution makes both the women and the men safer, one only need to look at Nevada Brothels to understand that. When prostitutes have a clean and safe place to work they don't have to work in the streets, which should be illegal. They don't have to be scared to call the police and report a crime, robbery, or assault against them. You state: "Despite present denials, pornographers would like to see us legalize prostitution and child pornography, as well as all mind-altering drugs like marijuana, LSD, cocaine. These "businesses" will really "contribute" billions to the national economy. " Come on Doctor Reisman, you know as well as I that you are grandstanding here. I do not know of one pornographer, and I know LOTS of them, who would support child pornography or even lowering the age of majority, in fact many support raising the age to 21. As for legalizing prostitution, yes most pornographers would probably agree with that one, but so does a large portion of the population not in pornography, maybe even a majority of us. After all should it really be illegal to sell something that it is perfectly legal to give away? And is the regulation of consenting adults in the privacy of their own homes and businesses really a proper function of government? The Republican Party claims to be the party of less government so why do they want to put government agencies in our homes to monitor and approve our sexual behaviour? Now when it comes to legalization of drugs, I would guess the adult industry would be as split on that statistically as the American population is, plenty would oppose such a move and plenty would applaud it. In conclusion I would like to point out the following: Your underage son or daughter is: OVER 100,000 times MORE likely to be sexually abused by a family member or a friend than by someone in the adult industry OVER 10,000 times MORE likely to be sexually abused by a clergy member than by someone in the adult industry OVER 10,000 times MORE likely to be sexually abused by a teacher or day care provider than by someone in the adult industry OVER 10,000 times MORE likely to be sexually abused by a complete stranger than by someone in the adult industry OVER 1,000 times MORE likely to be sexually abused by a member of the American Family Association than by someone in the adult industry So why is it everyone seems to be pointing the finger of blame at us? Child abusers go where the children are, there are no children in porn. Could we just for once, stop with the rhetoric and untruths about the adult industry and present us fairly? Could we for once just step back and say hey it's just sex, we are all adults what you do in your bedroom is no more my business that it is your business what I do in mine? The sexual exploitation of children is a particularly abhorrent crime, could we for once start looking for it where it really happens? If ending this exploitation is really your goal maybe you and I have common ground. If not please feel free to continue to push an agenda that in reality is nothing more than an attempt to circumvent the free speech rights of consenting adults. I don't expect you to publish this, nor do I expect to change your mind, but I do hope I have at least educated you to some degree.

06-01-2005, 09:45 AM	#5
ronaldo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: ICQ#: 272000271 Posts: 5,475	Great response Tony. Unfortunately, this line from your second last paragraph..."If not please feel free to continue to push an agenda that in reality is nothing more than an attempt to circumvent the free speech rights of consenting adults," is ultimately what will happen. There's no changing the mind of these people no matter how hard you try. I hope one day that statement becomes baseless.

06-01-2005, 09:53 AM	#9
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06-01-2005, 09:56 AM	#10
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06-01-2005, 11:47 AM	#18
MrFierce Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 134	I for one would really like to work in a sex and drug free workplace, free sex and drugs are about the only things that would motivate me to do some work HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA !!!! Seriously fuck that bitch Reichfuhrer or whatever her name is. It is time we got serious about having our own adult industry PAC to address congress for us.

06-01-2005, 12:03 PM	#20
MikeXAMO Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Trailer Park Posts: 660	I will be writing a letter to the editor today regarding this story. We should all voice our opinions in a strongly worded letter to WorldNetDaily for publishing the article, opinion as it is, it's trash. __________________ *Xamo Entertainment* Xamo.com \| EZSets.com ICQ: 9439118 MSN: mikeb [at] xamo.com Tollfree: 800-544-XAMO XXX CMS - Designed by Adult Webmasters, for Adult Webmasters.

06-01-2005, 12:05 PM	#21
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	FYI What I posted I didnt write Mike South did and I encouraged him to also write the NY Times. Mike is such a strong writer

06-01-2005, 12:20 PM	#23
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	she is older than my grandma. Time to seek and find god for good.

06-01-2005, 12:34 PM	#25
ry0t So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 4,160	To whom this may concern: I feel it was very wrong of you to publish a story saying that adult industry wants to see c** p** and prostitution made legal along with drugs. This is an outrage to most of the adult industry. You have no right to do this. That is such a lie and you are wrong for what you did. You should be ashamed of yourself. Jarrod C

06-01-2005, 12:39 PM	#26
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06-01-2005, 12:49 PM	#28
Bhelliom1980 Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 42	from her post "What! Pornographers! Would we invite a Mafia Don and a stripper to a Republican fund-raiser?" she seriously alluded that all pornographers are related to organized crome?

06-01-2005, 12:53 PM	#29
Bhelliom1980 Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 42	Note this typical news item just off the wire. On Tuesday, WTOL News in Toledo, Ohio, reported the way pornographers commonly secure "girl-on-girl action." "Two teenage girls were abducted in East Toledo. The kidnappers took "the girls to several truck stops and forced them into prostitution." When the men were located by police, one of the girl's fathers bust into the address where his daughter was being kept. " yep reisman... women aren't really interested in being lesbians... or on camera.... pornographers kidnapped them and forced them into it....right ok