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For the long term success of the EU, a YES was needed. The EU gets set back again. Europe, since the dawn of time, has never been able to shed their nationalistic pride... let alone not kill each other in war after war. There are a few things that need to be agreed upon in Europe. I will make its new constitution: (This applies to Old Europe - I love most of the members of the 'NEW' Europe) 1. We, Europe, suffers from a crushed ego. We have our history and our borders. 2. Anything that smells of free market, we hate. 3. If you can think it, we can tax it. 4. We will waste all our time telling the world how great we are instead of proving how great we are. 5. Competition? We will tax it. 6. The human spirit... we will tax it, then kill it 7. Rich? We will tax you, kill you, and then tax your heirs, and most likely kill them too. 8. War? Mandatory - every 50 years or less. 9. Hard worker? Move to a country that likes hard work. We want workers who strike, who bitch about competition, and do not want to work more than 30 hours a week. 10. Currency - We will devise new currencies every so often to inflate the economies of the weaker nations (Germany), and make it so the average worker can not exist. New Europe - Same as the old Europe. |
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Het is zo dat je als projectontwikkelaar uit Nederland net zoveel kans maakt als je Duitse collega. Bekijk het dan wel van twee kanten en zie wie het grootste voordeel heeft... Je doet net of Nederland het centrum van het universum is... Kijk even in je stats en zie waar je omzet vandaan komt als het meer dan 20% NL is dan doe je iets fout of moet je zeker nee stemmen ;-) Zonder subsidie hadden ze in veel landen waarschijnlijk niet eens Internet :1orglaugh |
it's all about oil
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Er valt genoeg te verdienen op de NL markt hoor |
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Ga lekker naast balkenende zitten. Ja stemmers zijn slim, nee stemmers zijn dom, en volgens bot, kunnen die beter thuis blijven. Het heeft er nl WEL mee te maken. Als je eens wat anders leest dan de CDA pagina...Maar ja, ieder zijn ding, ik stem nee. punt. |
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En over dat voorbeeld van de ZOO, okee, misschien niet helemaal eerlijk dat Artis wel subsidie krijgt, en de Londen Zoo niet. Maar als ik naar een ZOO wil ga ik niet helemaal naar Londen. |
This is a good discussion we are having here.
I think its a sad thing though that Balkenende will probably still say yes even if the dutch people will say no.... "sorry hoor jongens...de opkomst was te laag" |
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En zelfs als dat punt wat jij zegt zou kloppen (wat zeker niet zo is, maar stel), dan nog weegt dat niet op tegen de voordelen van dit verdrag. |
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Verder zie ik weinig voordelen, wat zonder vedrag ook niet geregeld kan worden. En dus stem ik nee. Dat is het mooie van een democratie. Je mag stemmen wat je wilt, en verschillende personen, hebben verschillende meningen. Anders viel er weinig te stemmen :D Jij bent voor, zelf ben ik nog tegen. |
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38% so thats a NO
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What did they vote no for?
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pxxx: european constitution
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I like how all these new 'constitutions' look more like investor rights agreements and less like contracts governments have with their people. The biggest effect that open markets have is allowing domestic corporations move factories and capital to developing areas, exploiting the low cost labor (which also helps developing countries actually develop), then move to a poorer country when the workers in the first one actually start demanding crazy stuff like a living wage.
As for capital flight, it was specifically banned in the Bretton Woods agreement to prevent the creation of a 'virtual senate'. Top down tyranies that are not accountable to the public would now have a vote on government policy. Nixon later dismanteled this. |
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Is it still "them" and "their"? The politicians are politicians, if they had any marketing skills they would not run for office ;-). Think as "us" and "we" and perhaps you will understand what it is all about... Mr Eberhard, the former owner of Worldsex was elected in the House of Representatives in 2003 (not by me BTW, LOL). So anyone of "us" can be "them". :upsidedow "They" are elected by "us" to represent "us", so actually "our" communication skills are poor... But when "we" have a problem its "their" fault?! :Oh crap |
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I live in Europe and see the shit breaking apart at the seams. The EU constitution, Germany/France melting down with unemployment, hatred of the "new" Europe (the best part if you ask me), outcry over Turkey's entrance, etc etc I am in Spain right now and the amount of different factions here is unbelievable, it amazes me this country is still together. Without a unified government, unified language, unified working arrangements, this continent will go no where.... as it already is. This will end, one way, as it always does in Europe... War. Maybe then they will realize that when you ask big government to hold your hand you are giving up your freedoms. -dd |
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Governments SHOULD NOT be able to dictate how I run my affairs. If it was not for companies going into the poor UNSKILLED labor markets, these countries would continue to be impoverished for another eon. As each decade passes another shit hole is being pulled from the depths of poverty. The Caribbean was used for cheap labor, then it was Mexico, then it was South East Asia, then it was China, and now it is Africa. So as each place is 'exploited' (as you say) it is slowly bringing the quality of living up in each place. -dd |
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.....youre fucking clueless. |
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We are one of the 25 EUROPEAN countries, voting YES for the EUROPEAN constitution will take us a step forward. Voting NO will take us a BIG STEP backward. |
i said it in that other thread, now i ask it here:
Are the american media positive or negative about the french no vote? Because its really weird that everyone over there is against the french and their vote and everyone from europe is with the french on this. Did bush unleashed the propaganda beast again? You all eat it up like monkeys getting a peanut handout, just like the two bush elections. Youll never learn. |
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Actually I appologize for my last outburst. I guess it was your statement: "Governments SHOULD NOT be able to dictate how I run my affairs" that got my panties in a knot. I feel the everyone should get a choice in how their society is shaped and that when a set of rules are agreed on that the business community shouldn't feel they are not subject to them simply because they're greedy. |
To be honest, i think the new european constitution sounds better.
I'm pro europe & i'm behind the euro (even that i also admit that prices went way out of line....it's a fact!). I really don't give a shit that the dutch people pay most of all europeans......like for example as Justsexxx pointed out... to fix Spanish roads. Some are weaker & some are stronger....we are in this together & together we should make the best of it. BUT...the basic of the european community (Germany, France, Netherlands...ect ect) haven't even figured their own shit out ! So why the hell did those eastern european countries joined & why the hell are we talking with Turkey ? (Please don't take that personal eastern europe & Turkey.....just reread my words) I never asked for that (i hate our goverment, but the previous ones which i liked better also worked on this.....so it's not an anti-goverment feeling for me at this moment)! So finally after years of all this shit forced thrue my throath, i can speak out my mind ! I will vote NO wednesday (decided that already before the french vote...respect to them anyway). Steve |
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You DIDN'T realize that most of Europe is Socialist? :eek7 :eek7 :eek7 |
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Already we are the country in europe that pays off the most to other countries, although we're one of the smallest countries. Thats really divided great and fair... jesus christ. Id say fuck that constitution. |
The problem with Europe is that it is full of Europeans.
We have French (cowards, have no morals, do anything for money, smell), Germans (start too many meaningless wars), Spanish (lazy, socialists, cowards), Swedish (willingly giving their country to Muslims) and Italians (always change sides when they are losing). If things could be run by the best of British, Dutch and Danish then the EU might actually have a chance. I would say that the better countries may as well form a state alongside the lines of NATO. I'd rather have closer ties with the US than with the majority of Europe. |
wELL, i ADMIRE THEM FOR THAT bold decision as well.
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2001 registration and only 53 posts. :thumbsup |
nobody in here should be taking shit from americans. They voted BUSH.
if that is not shooting yourself in the foot what is? LOL |
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"I really don't give a shit that the dutch people pay most of all europeans......like for example as Justsexxx pointed out... to fix Spanish roads. Some are weaker & some are stronger....we are in this together & together we should make the best of it." Steve |
To sum it up: Europe is more fucked than the US but will never admit it due to pride. Not sure what there is to be proud of but hey, at least you can bash Bush like nobody's business... doesn't seem like there's much else you can agree on.
Be sure to put that on your resume... |
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Please don't get clueless in a serious topic. We are NOT LIKE USA. Okay. EUROPE IS NOT ONE COUNTRY. Please get it...Same when we would say USA/CANADA/MEXICO should merge. Become ONE country. That would be strange right? SO look at the map, we are a CONTINENT, we are not one COUNTRY |
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I never understand why European peoples in other parts of the world (such as Australia, the United States, etc) are so quick to distance themselves from the great legacy of Europe and their own European blood, whilst Africans, Asians still feel deeply attached to their homelands regardless of where they now live. Ultimately Europe is a great continent and it need not be sell itself out to become a superpower in order to prove that. |
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