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will76 05-28-2005 12:45 AM
i just wanted to beat woj

He is slacking LOL.

polish_aristocrat 05-28-2005 03:14 AM
I like slapass because he is hesistant to open a paysite, and IMO that's a good thing.
I also share the opinion that making a paysite is worth the effort only if it would be top notch.

Oh and I agree that saying 'spend $100k on a type in domain is not easy'. I've spent HOURS daily for a good few weeks trying to research domains and contacting owners and it's very hard to find people that would sell prime type in domains for a reasonable price.

VideoJ 05-28-2005 03:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by slapass
Escort biz said it was 50k for one site. She uses ccbill so has one expnse less. but she also does a 500% return a year according to the stats i saw.

you are missing contnet management software, security software, affilaite rep. and other stuff i have no clue on.
EscortBiz starts with 25 scenes exclusive per site, plus non-exclusive content as filler. He (not she, I've met him :)) wants at least 3 months updates before he opens. My ex-partner and I shot a bunch of sites for him, including his first, badtushy.com.

Dalai lama 05-28-2005 03:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mako
Let's do some math based on your idea:

You've got: $100k

You need: Five niche sites, affiliate program, promotional tools, hosting, etc.

Major costs: (all just guesses, feel free to rip them up)

-Building of the sites: Do it yourself? If not, say $5k.

-Creation of all promotional material (20 x hosted tgp galleries, banners, other shit for each site, as well as a bunch of 30-second tgp/main tour-friendly movie trailers from your best content) I'll guess $3k.

-License affiliate software: Just going to use CCBill crap? If not, say $5k.

-Shoot 50 exclusive niche scenes (10 scenes per site) and license another 300 DVD/home-shot scenes (60 scenes per site). Avg licensed bulk scene = $25 per scene. Avg semi-exclusive private shoot scene = $500/ea.? Never had one shot myself, no idea here. If these numbers work, you're at $7.5k for the licensed content and say $25k for the 50 exclusives.

-100mbps Hosting: Has to be Tier 1 I'd assume, say $35 per mbs, so $3.5k for the first month. Also assume you're going to be doing free hosted movie galleries, if not, you could reduce this figure.

Let's see where we are so far.

Sites - $5k
Promos - $3k
Backend Affiliate Software - $5k
Content - $32.5k
Hosting - $3.5k

TOTAL - $49k

So we're at nearly $50k, and there is no traffic yet for either the sites, or the affiliate program.

Questions:

1. What am I missing?

2. How many affiliates could $50k buy in terms of advertising on webmaster boards, etc. Never been involved in one myself, wouldn't even know where to start, but say GFY/Ynot/etc. Typical avenues.

Answer those two questions and you can then take the average affiliate signups per day figure (3?) and figure out gross rev.
$32.5k on Content. Man you got no clue what you are talking about.
Rather spend $30k on Promotion and only $5.5k on content non-exclusive content. Why waste so many money on content when it's only your first 5 sites. An affiliate program is for the long run, IF it turns out to be successful you can always invest in NEW reality/exclusive sites.

What you are missing? Promo tools, Affiliate program design, $750 visa fee, the 2257 management, text writers for tos/faqs, domains and a whole lot more. Take security software like StrongBox it's only $100 yet it adds up.

Ok enough for now.

Trax 05-28-2005 03:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalai lama
$32.5k on Content. Man you got no clue what you are talking about.
Rather spend $30k on Promotion and only $5.5k on content non-exclusive content. Why waste so many money on content when it's only your first 5 sites. An affiliate program is for the long run, IF it turns out to be successful you can always invest in NEW reality/exclusive sites.

What you are missing? Promo tools, Affiliate program design, $750 visa fee, the 2257 management, text writers for tos/faqs, domains and a whole lot more. Take security software like StrongBox it's only $100 yet it adds up.

Ok enough for now.
umm for a high quality paysite 30k on content isn't even much
the opposite is the case
many of the big programs spend 60k on exclusive content before they open a new paysite

$5 submissions 05-28-2005 04:02 AM
For that amount of money you can get a custom built mainstream content network with many supporting traffic feeds. Income streams = text ads, ebooks, mainstream product affiliate upsells, your own niche product upsells, etc. Put the power of outsourcing to MULTIPLY the purchasing value of your $100K or whatever budget you have. :2 cents:

Dalai lama 05-28-2005 04:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trax
umm for a high quality paysite 30k on content isn't even much
the opposite is the case
many of the big programs spend 60k on exclusive content before they open a new paysite
Why waste 30k on content on your first 5 paysites if you have no have (as slapass said) no knowlegde of the business. For $5k or anything you can buy massive amounts of content/plugins your surfer likes aswell.

You mentioned big programs, he's a individual with $100k to invest :2 cents:

maxjohan 05-28-2005 04:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by $5 submissions
For that amount of money you can get a custom built mainstream content network with many supporting traffic feeds. Income streams = text ads, ebooks, mainstream product affiliate upsells, your own niche product upsells, etc. Put the power of outsourcing to MULTIPLY the purchasing value of your $100K or whatever budget you have. :2 cents:
:thumbsup :thumbsup

runaway 05-28-2005 05:30 AM
Give the 100K to me

Trax 05-28-2005 05:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalai lama
Why waste 30k on content on your first 5 paysites if you have no have (as slapass said) no knowlegde of the business. For $5k or anything you can buy massive amounts of content/plugins your surfer likes aswell.

You mentioned big programs, he's a individual with $100k to invest :2 cents:
mind to post which successful plugin paysite(s) you run :)

slapass 05-28-2005 07:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by VideoJ
EscortBiz starts with 25 scenes exclusive per site, plus non-exclusive content as filler. He (not she, I've met him :)) wants at least 3 months updates before he opens. My ex-partner and I shot a bunch of sites for him, including his first, badtushy.com.
We have already discussed that innovation is out. So you have to follow success. He (fuck, I thought for sure he was a she) gets extra content. A very good idea as that way you have no worries about updates and overexposure of everything right away.

I have been in the business for 3 years and I have only seen 2 members areas. Plugins or feeds seem confusing to me. I can't be the only person worried about hitting an upsale un announced and seeing more charges.

slapass 05-28-2005 07:29 AM
So far here is where we are -

TGP - I need a full automated textlink TGP. I will feed it with my 404 traffic. Which is about 10k a day. Add in SE traffic(small) and trades within my network.
I have design and domain. Script to rotate 1500(more?) FHG links on a daily baisis? Free - $500.
Trade script - I would prefer to skip this part. but would use a free one if I felt the need.

Stock market - 20k, no one is talking stocks. everyone suggest real estate etc. This is reason enough to buy. US market is also at a 7 year low on PE.

Leaves me with me with 79.5k to continue discussion.

I also need the script above anyone know of something that does that?

Terry 05-28-2005 07:31 AM
run.. i would run run run

slapass 05-28-2005 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Terry
run.. i would run run run
Awesome thanks

:thumbsup

Trax 05-28-2005 08:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by slapass
So far here is where we are -

TGP - I need a full automated textlink TGP. I will feed it with my 404 traffic. Which is about 10k a day. Add in SE traffic(small) and trades within my network.
I have design and domain. Script to rotate 1500(more?) FHG links on a daily baisis? Free - $500.
Trade script - I would prefer to skip this part. but would use a free one if I felt the need.

Stock market - 20k, no one is talking stocks. everyone suggest real estate etc. This is reason enough to buy. US market is also at a 7 year low on PE.

Leaves me with me with 79.5k to continue discussion.

I also need the script above anyone know of something that does that?
I just want to correct you.
I suggested the stock market hehe :winkwink:

slapass 05-28-2005 08:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trax
I just want to correct you.
I suggested the stock market hehe :winkwink:
I was not sure as "certificate" would probably be a debt instrument here. It can be both but is not common usage.

slapass 05-28-2005 02:53 PM
Any more ideas?

fireorange 05-28-2005 02:59 PM
Do you really have $100k to invest or is this hypothetical question?

Mako 05-28-2005 03:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalai lama
$32.5k on Content. Man you got no clue what you are talking about.
Rather spend $30k on Promotion and only $5.5k on content non-exclusive content. Why waste so many money on content when it's only your first 5 sites. An affiliate program is for the long run, IF it turns out to be successful you can always invest in NEW reality/exclusive sites.

What you are missing? Promo tools, Affiliate program design, $750 visa fee, the 2257 management, text writers for tos/faqs, domains and a whole lot more. Take security software like StrongBox it's only $100 yet it adds up.

Ok enough for now.
Disagree on content cost, no way you outfit five new sites with just $1k EACH in content cost. Even those overused shit scenes are more expensive than that. Hell, even ugly Euro girl content is more expensive.

Plus I'm using the original poster's example, not what I myself, or slapass, would do personally. For argument's sake, fine, say you go with all non-exclusive content at it costs you $3k per site. So $15k for content. You never answered the actual reason for the post, what advertising avenues do you pour the rest of the "promotional" budget into?

Very easy to criticize. Not so easy to offer actual solutions. You the "Ross Perot" of GFY? :winkwink:

As far as "Promo tools, Affiliate program design, $750 visa fee, the 2257 management, text writers for tos/faqs, domains and a whole lot more" I included each of them, or close enough, to get accurate.

Link your paysite network in your next post so we can see how it's done, thx.


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