Money isn't everything

[Libertine]

http://www.forumromanum.org/literatu...er/brev_e.html

(I could never even dream to argue the point as well as Seneca, so I won't attempt to)

[sonofsam]

did you honestly believe anyone would read all that?

[EddiePulp]

No its not everything, but it helps a lot to live a happy life. Its 1 less worry at the end of the day.

[Nicky]

Im not gonna read that, money isnt everything but its alot.....thats for sure

[Postmaster]

MONEY IS EVERYTHING.
Check:

http://www.amels-holland.com

and

http://www.vladi.de

Sincerely yours,

Selio "The Love" M

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by sonofsam

did you honestly believe anyone would read all that?

It's worth reading

[SomeCreep]

Nothing is everything, except everything.

[Mike A]

only losers say that, idiot

[Vitasoy]

It isn't everything, but it's very important.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by EddiePulp

No its not everything, but it helps a lot to live a happy life. Its 1 less worry at the end of the day.

But does it actually help to live a happy life? If you work hard every day to make money so you may one day live in wealth, are you not actually wasting your best years?

[Ogix]

you're wrong, man. there is nothing without money :D

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally Posted by punkworld

But does it actually help to live a happy life? If you work hard every day to make money so you may one day live in wealth, are you not actually wasting your best years?

why work hard?

It's a good felling to enjoy your freedom and money when you're young instead of working 10-12 hours per day.

[polish_aristocrat]

actually the two best things that come from money are IMO security and freedom

+ the respect of others ( for insecure people )

[sonofsam]

Originally Posted by punkworld

It's worth reading

i'm sure it is, but its 5am and i havn't slept yet.....

and on that note, g'night

[BastarD]

Originally Posted by Postmaster

MONEY IS EVERYTHING.
Check:

http://www.amels-holland.com

and

http://www.vladi.de

Sincerely yours,

Selio "The Love" M

Well you have just given me a new meaning of my life and new target

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

actually the two best things that come from money are IMO security and freedom

+ the respect of others ( for insecure people )

But the security that money can offer is just false security, because even the most excessive wealth can not prevent bad fortune, and if one is too strongly attached to wealth, it rather creates a feeling of insecurity than one of security. As for freedom, the freedom money can buy is a very limited, material one, and if it is achieved in exchange for a more fundamental kind of freedom, is anything at all won?

I would argue that the man who cares little about material fortune is both more secure and free than he who shapes his life around those things.

[woj]

Here is an interesting story:
---------------------------
A boat docked in a tiny foreign village. A business tourist complimented the fisherman on the quality of his fish and asked how long it took him to catch them.

"Not very long," answered the fisherman.

"But then, why didn't you stay out longer and catch more?" asked the American.

The fisherman explained that his small catch was sufficient to meet his needs and those of his family.

The tourist asked, "But what do you do with the rest of your time?"

"I sleep late, fish a little, play with my children, and take a nap with my wife. In the evenings I go into the village to see my friends, have a few drinks, play the guitar, and sing a few songs. I have a full life."

The tourist interrupted, "I have an MBA from Harvard and I can help you. You should start by fishing longer every day. You can then sell the extra fish you catch. With the extra revenue, you can buy a bigger boat. With the extra money the larger boat will bring, you can buy a second one and a third one and so on until you have an entire fleet of trawlers. Instead of selling your fish to a middle man, you can negotiate directly with the processing plants and maybe even open your own plant. You can then leave this little village and move to a big city. From there you can direct your huge enterprise."

"How long would that take?" asked the fisherman.

"Twenty, perhaps twenty-five years," replied the tourist.

"And after that?"

"Afterwards? That's when it gets really interesting," answered the tourist, laughing. "When your business gets really big, you can start selling stocks and make millions!"

"Millions? Really? And after that?"

"After that you'll be able to retire, live in a tiny village near the coast, sleep late, play with your children, catch a few fish, take a nap with your wife, and spend your evenings playing the guitar with your friends!"

[mardigras]

Anyone who says money can't buy happiness is either flat broke or doesn't know where to shop

[slapass]

Originally Posted by woj

Here is an interesting story:
---------------------------
A boat docked in a tiny foreign village. A business tourist complimented the fisherman on the quality of his fish and asked how long it took him to catch them.

"Not very long," answered the fisherman.

"But then, why didn't you stay out longer and catch more?" asked the American.

The fisherman explained that his small catch was sufficient to meet his needs and those of his family.

The tourist asked, "But what do you do with the rest of your time?"

"I sleep late, fish a little, play with my children, and take a nap with my wife. In the evenings I go into the village to see my friends, have a few drinks, play the guitar, and sing a few songs. I have a full life."

The tourist interrupted, "I have an MBA from Harvard and I can help you. You should start by fishing longer every day. You can then sell the extra fish you catch. With the extra revenue, you can buy a bigger boat. With the extra money the larger boat will bring, you can buy a second one and a third one and so on until you have an entire fleet of trawlers. Instead of selling your fish to a middle man, you can negotiate directly with the processing plants and maybe even open your own plant. You can then leave this little village and move to a big city. From there you can direct your huge enterprise."

"How long would that take?" asked the fisherman.

"Twenty, perhaps twenty-five years," replied the tourist.

"And after that?"

"Afterwards? That's when it gets really interesting," answered the tourist, laughing. "When your business gets really big, you can start selling stocks and make millions!"

"Millions? Really? And after that?"

"After that you'll be able to retire, live in a tiny village near the coast, sleep late, play with your children, catch a few fish, take a nap with your wife, and spend your evenings playing the guitar with your friends!"

I heard this for the first time a few months ago. I cannot let it go. There is huge wisdom duried here.

[Head]

Originally Posted by woj

Here is an interesting story:
---------------------------
A boat docked in a tiny foreign village. A business tourist complimented the fisherman on the quality of his fish and asked how long it took him to catch them.

"Not very long," answered the fisherman.

"But then, why didn't you stay out longer and catch more?" asked the American.

The fisherman explained that his small catch was sufficient to meet his needs and those of his family.

The tourist asked, "But what do you do with the rest of your time?"

"I sleep late, fish a little, play with my children, and take a nap with my wife. In the evenings I go into the village to see my friends, have a few drinks, play the guitar, and sing a few songs. I have a full life."

The tourist interrupted, "I have an MBA from Harvard and I can help you. You should start by fishing longer every day. You can then sell the extra fish you catch. With the extra revenue, you can buy a bigger boat. With the extra money the larger boat will bring, you can buy a second one and a third one and so on until you have an entire fleet of trawlers. Instead of selling your fish to a middle man, you can negotiate directly with the processing plants and maybe even open your own plant. You can then leave this little village and move to a big city. From there you can direct your huge enterprise."

"How long would that take?" asked the fisherman.

"Twenty, perhaps twenty-five years," replied the tourist.

"And after that?"

"Afterwards? That's when it gets really interesting," answered the tourist, laughing. "When your business gets really big, you can start selling stocks and make millions!"

"Millions? Really? And after that?"

"After that you'll be able to retire, live in a tiny village near the coast, sleep late, play with your children, catch a few fish, take a nap with your wife, and spend your evenings playing the guitar with your friends!"

Good story!
I wish I could only be that simple. But point taken.

[Head]

Originally Posted by Head

Good story!
I wish I could only be that simple. But point taken.

And That's a pretty non-productive life. How about traveling, helping charities, Building, creating. All this costs.

[chadglni]

95% of people that say that are either broke and pissed or rich and liars.

[loverboy]

Originally Posted by woj

Here is an interesting story:
---------------------------
A boat docked in a tiny foreign village. A business tourist complimented the fisherman on the quality of his fish and asked how long it took him to catch them.

"Not very long," answered the fisherman.

"But then, why didn't you stay out longer and catch more?" asked the American.

The fisherman explained that his small catch was sufficient to meet his needs and those of his family.

The tourist asked, "But what do you do with the rest of your time?"

"I sleep late, fish a little, play with my children, and take a nap with my wife. In the evenings I go into the village to see my friends, have a few drinks, play the guitar, and sing a few songs. I have a full life."

The tourist interrupted, "I have an MBA from Harvard and I can help you. You should start by fishing longer every day. You can then sell the extra fish you catch. With the extra revenue, you can buy a bigger boat. With the extra money the larger boat will bring, you can buy a second one and a third one and so on until you have an entire fleet of trawlers. Instead of selling your fish to a middle man, you can negotiate directly with the processing plants and maybe even open your own plant. You can then leave this little village and move to a big city. From there you can direct your huge enterprise."

"How long would that take?" asked the fisherman.

"Twenty, perhaps twenty-five years," replied the tourist.

"And after that?"

"Afterwards? That's when it gets really interesting," answered the tourist, laughing. "When your business gets really big, you can start selling stocks and make millions!"

"Millions? Really? And after that?"

"After that you'll be able to retire, live in a tiny village near the coast, sleep late, play with your children, catch a few fish, take a nap with your wife, and spend your evenings playing the guitar with your friends!"

very inspiring story

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by punkworld

But the security that money can offer is just false security, because even the most excessive wealth can not prevent bad fortune, and if one is too strongly attached to wealth, it rather creates a feeling of insecurity than one of security. As for freedom, the freedom money can buy is a very limited, material one, and if it is achieved in exchange for a more fundamental kind of freedom, is anything at all won?

I would argue that the man who cares little about material fortune is both more secure and free than he who shapes his life around those things.

until you've lived both ways, you're only guessing.

having lived both ways, I'll tell you that when a well rounded person has money, its vastly better than when they don't.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by woj

pere is an interesting story:
---------------------------
A boat docked in a tiny foreign village. A business tourist complimented the fisherman on the quality of his fish and asked how long it took him to catch them.

"Not very long," answered the fisherman.

"But then, why didn't you stay out longer and catch more?" asked the American.

The fisherman explained that his small catch was sufficient to meet his needs and those of his family.

The tourist asked, "But what do you do with the rest of your time?"

"I sleep late, fish a little, play with my children, and take a nap with my wife. In the evenings I go into the village to see my friends, have a few drinks, play the guitar, and sing a few songs. I have a full life."

The tourist interrupted, "I have an MBA from Harvard and I can help you. You should start by fishing longer every day. You can then sell the extra fish you catch. With the extra revenue, you can buy a bigger boat. With the extra money the larger boat will bring, you can buy a second one and a third one and so on until you have an entire fleet of trawlers. Instead of selling your fish to a middle man, you can negotiate directly with the processing plants and maybe even open your own plant. You can then leave this little village and move to a big city. From there you can direct your huge enterprise."

"How long would that take?" asked the fisherman.

"Twenty, perhaps twenty-five years," replied the tourist.

"And after that?"

"Afterwards? That's when it gets really interesting," answered the tourist, laughing. "When your business gets really big, you can start selling stocks and make millions!"

"Millions? Really? And after that?"

"After that you'll be able to retire, live in a tiny village near the coast, sleep late, play with your children, catch a few fish, take a nap with your wife, and spend your evenings playing the guitar with your friends!"

a sillier story was never written.
Here's a better one.

Tourist asks the fisherman," what happends if after all those years of catching just enough to live on and napping with his wife, your boat sinks and you no longer can catch fish and have no extra to fall back on?"

"thats easy" says the fisherman, "my family and I all die"

[Manowar]

but it sure goes a long way

[SomeCreep]

Originally Posted by woj

Here is an interesting story:
---------------------------
A boat docked in a tiny foreign village. A business tourist complimented the fisherman on the quality of his fish and asked how long it took him to catch them.

"Not very long," answered the fisherman.

"But then, why didn't you stay out longer and catch more?" asked the American.

The fisherman explained that his small catch was sufficient to meet his needs and those of his family.

The tourist asked, "But what do you do with the rest of your time?"

"I sleep late, fish a little, play with my children, and take a nap with my wife. In the evenings I go into the village to see my friends, have a few drinks, play the guitar, and sing a few songs. I have a full life."

The tourist interrupted, "I have an MBA from Harvard and I can help you. You should start by fishing longer every day. You can then sell the extra fish you catch. With the extra revenue, you can buy a bigger boat. With the extra money the larger boat will bring, you can buy a second one and a third one and so on until you have an entire fleet of trawlers. Instead of selling your fish to a middle man, you can negotiate directly with the processing plants and maybe even open your own plant. You can then leave this little village and move to a big city. From there you can direct your huge enterprise."

"How long would that take?" asked the fisherman.

"Twenty, perhaps twenty-five years," replied the tourist.

"And after that?"

"Afterwards? That's when it gets really interesting," answered the tourist, laughing. "When your business gets really big, you can start selling stocks and make millions!"

"Millions? Really? And after that?"

"After that you'll be able to retire, live in a tiny village near the coast, sleep late, play with your children, catch a few fish, take a nap with your wife, and spend your evenings playing the guitar with your friends!"

That story misses the whole point of what it is to be an entrepreneur. It is not just the destination that is most rewarding, it is the journey as well.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

until you've lived both ways, you're only guessing.

having lived both ways, I'll tell you that when a well rounded person has money, its vastly better than when they don't.

Actually, I have lived both ways, though neither to the extreme.

But you're missing the point: the question is not of having money or not, but of what you value in life, and what for. Attaching too much value to money, whether you have it or not, leads to a wretched life.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by punkworld

Actually, I have lived both ways, though neither to the extreme.

But you're missing the point: the question is not of having money or not, but of what you value in life, and what for. Attaching too much value to money, whether you have it or not, leads to a wretched life.

i was more answering your point here: "But does it actually help to live a happy life?"

that said, the point it tries to make is invalid.
so few people attach so much value to money that it hurts the other things they value.
Most people making the point try to blur the line between the minutely small number of people who value money above all else with successful people who strive to have money, the last thing in *their* life they are missing (already having life's other important things)

[slapass]

I have to say, I enjoy the journey. I love my job. If i did not enjoy what I do, I would do soemthing else.

12clicks, who is to say by having enough, he does nto mean he has a solid 401k and savings for a new boat?

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by slapass

12clicks, who is to say by having enough, he does nto mean he has a solid 401k and savings for a new boat?

I don't know, who?

I never said the word "enough" so I'm at a loss to what you're actually asking me.

my position is, having money is always better than not having money.

[Theo]

poverty sucks

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

i was more answering your point here: "But does it actually help to live a happy life?"

That wasn't so much meant as a point as as an actual question. It would seem to me, too, that money can help better your life to a certain degree if all other circumstances stay the same, but I'm not sure if the trade-off between working harder and making more money is worth it in the majority of cases. I think that too many people at the ends of their lives, if it comes earlier than they expected, a few more afternoons spent with their children would seem more valuable than that plasma screen.

I agree with Seneca when he says that most men guard their possessions with great fierceness, yet waste their days as if they were immortal.

Originally Posted by 12clicks

that said, the point it tries to make is invalid.
so few people attach so much value to money that it hurts the other things they value.
Most people making the point try to blur the line between the minutely small number of people who value money above all else with successful people who strive to have money, the last thing in *their* life they are missing (already having life's other important things)

I'll have to disagree with you here. I know many people of whose lives work that they do solely to make money takes up the largest chunk. True, for most that is needed to maintain a "normal" level of welfare within society, but even then it seems like a waste of the one truly limited thing in a man's life: time.

I think that today's society in fact does value money above all else (that is to say, on one scale... on another sex, or attractiveness, is valued above all else). How many people don't spend their lives longing for material possessions?
The word "buy" produces 766 million results on Google, 5 times as many as the word "love" and 10 times as many as the word "sex".

Money and possessions, to a healthy mind, are means to ends, not ends in themselves.

[mrbling]

punkworld,
Don't you think a man with money can watch his BIG SCREEN PLASAMA with his children?

Or do you think rich people can't play with children while watching his big screen tv?

Can poor people play with their children while watching his big screen TV?

[Barefootsies]

It's a piece of the puzzle in our daily lives. Not everything. You have to balance out money with your other priorities, and personal happiness.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by mrbling

punkworld,
Don't you think a man with money can watch his BIG SCREEN PLASAMA with his children?

Or do you think rich people can't play with children while watching his big screen tv?

Can poor people play with their children while watching his big screen TV?

Most people make money by working. Most work requires time. Time spent working is usually time not spent with your kids.

[BigRod]

Money doesn't buy happieness, but look at the fuckin smile on my Face!

[MikeVega]

It's not everything but it will put my kids through school and keep my wife blingin ....

[Mr.Right - Banned For Life]

Money is everything

Batts