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FAR-L I am not arguing with you
All I am asking is for someone to head the FSC's Division on 2257 for webmasters who knows what the hell they are talking about.

I think it's easy to see that this industry is not very united, and that's because of greed and personal agendas-

I'd like to see a real internet maven on the FSC's board who can make sure that information is dissemintaed properly to people, and the information is correct.

So far I see many people who are Pro- FSC but still do not know what they are fighting for exactly.

I'd love for this business to have a panacea that can magically cure all of our problems. If the FSC is the remedy, then I, along with many others will be truly grateful to them.

They won in the Supreme Court. That makes them your "advocate" whether or not they do one other thing that you think is important.

FSC is an organization with many members. You think that the media is the most important thing. Many people think that fighting for the constitutional rights of their members is the most important thing.

If they don't use their limited resources for legal battles, then their members may end up in jail. All of the media coverage in the world isn't going to overturn existing unconstitutional laws - only court battles will do that.

They have limted resources and they can't do everything. If you want them to do more, then you are going to have to help them get the resources to be able to do that.

Right form there front page:

"herefore only the Free Speech Coalition and its members will be covered by an injunction and only to the extent the injunction restricts the government enforcement."


That leaves a sour taste in my mouth right there :Oh crap

KB - I really hope that is true. I'm a member of the group and I, for one, will do anything that I can with whatever resources I have make sure that we take the figt to the goverment. I happen to think that telling the mainstream press about just how over the top this whole 2257 matter is and what its true implications are.

I hope you will contect me on Tuesday, KB.

Make sure you send me your contact info-
I'll be in LA at some point this weekend.

K blatt at ADELPHIA dot NET
ALSO please tell your partner JC to contact me as well-
I'll be in Vegas for the Snoop Dogg Show and would lov to see him, and lost his contact info

If that's what their lawyers told them, what else do you want them to say? Do you want them to make something up that you like better?

If their posting of a legal opinion leaves a sour taste in your mouth, go talk to the people who wrote the laws. I'm sure the Senate and Congress will welcome you. :)

The "sour taste" should come from the new 2257 regulations, not from the people fighting them for you.

In the five pages of how long this thread has been going we can ONLY identify ONE organization that will fight for us...that right ONLY ONE! And instead of rallying behind the ONE group that we know is going to do anything about 2257 we have five pages of personal vendettas, bitching about how much it will cost, questioning their motives, and background, blah, blah, dee, fuckin? blah?

So what if the FSC has mostly been in Cali and so what if they?ve been mostly in the video or production and of it up till now?

Newsflash:

MOST PORN COMES OUT OF CALIFORNIA AND THE INTERNET IS JUST THE VIDEO INDUSTRY?S BASTARD SON!

Nobody on the internet has ever needed any help because we?ve faced very few serious challenges in our short history.

Question here: What other group that is taking up this 2257 fight for us?

Waiting...

Still waiting...

That's right fuckers...

THERE ISN'T ONE - SO GET OVER IT!

Instead you standing United when it is most needed - you continue whining and sniveling like a bunch of little bitches! So you don't support the FSC? Fine. Wait till the deadline expires on the 23rd and do nothing. I just don't want to HEAR YOU FUCKING BITCHING LATER when you are looking at 5 years of busting rocks on the changing because you didn't have you records cross-indexed properly!

This is a perfect example of why I hate webmasters! There I said it...

I hate webmasters!

That's right I fucking hate WEBMASTERS!

In Florida this year OCCash is going to rig a contest, I?ll find the ten most annoying webmasters there is, tell them they just won some free blowjobs from some porn chicks ? when in fact it will be the FIRST ANNUAL WEBMASTER TOSS! STRAIGHT OFF THE ROOF ONTO THE GROUND UNTIL THEY DIE!

YOU PEOPLE MAKE ME SICK AND I AM EMBARRASSED TO CALL YOU MY PEERS!

GET A FUCKING CLUE, ASSHOLES!

Where do we sign up? :1orglaugh

The FSC started before the internet became the way to distribute porn. Don't fault them for catering to the original member's interests.

I know for a fact they would like to be more useful to the internet side.

So you think paying an additional tax would've been a good thing? I am a business like any other. It is not like we are making toxic waste that needs to be taxed to help the state with the clean up burdon.

The are not afraid to face the media... what on earth gives you that idea?

They have been out there trying to put a positive face on the industry for years. We were all over the media when we went out to defeat that tax.

Have you ever hear of paid protection?
The Law is the law. Everyone should be covered under it. Now tell me how the hell are they fighting for me if i aint a paided member?

"In Florida this year OCCash is going to rig a contest, I?ll find the ten most annoying webmasters there is, tell them they just won some free blowjobs from some porn chicks ? when in fact it will be the FIRST ANNUAL WEBMASTER TOSS! STRAIGHT OFF THE ROOF ONTO THE GROUND UNTIL THEY DIE!"

Free BJ's won't do it
tell everyone you have free BLOW in your room and you'll definitley succeed in killing off most of the industry

:1orglaugh

Hey, you lazy asshole -- weather you know it or not...the injunction does cover you. The law does not typically prosecute cases that are enjoined out of respect for the courts, but under the true definition ? only members of the suit are protected. So if you want to be a cheap bastard and sit on the side lines?fine?I have only one choice to to re-process my last post because it totally applies to you, asshole:

In the five pages of how long this thread has been going we can ONLY identify ONE organization that will fight for us...that right ONLY ONE! And instead of rallying behind the ONE group that we know is going to do anything about 2257 we have five pages of personal vendettas, bitching about how much it will cost, questioning their motives, and background, blah, blah, dee, fuckin? blah?

So what if the FSC has mostly been in Cali and so what if they?ve been mostly in the video or production and of it up till now?

Newsflash:

MOST PORN COMES OUT OF CALIFORNIA AND THE INTERNET IS JUST THE VIDEO INDUSTRY?S BASTARD SON!

Nobody on the internet has ever needed any help because we?ve faced very few serious challenges in our short history.

Question here: What other group that is taking up this 2257 fight for us?

Waiting...

Still waiting...

That's right fuckers...

THERE ISN'T ONE - SO GET OVER IT!

Instead you standing United, when it is most needed - you continue whining and sniveling like a bunch of little bitches! So you don't support the FSC? Fine. Wait till the deadline expires on the 23rd and do nothing. I just don't want to HEAR YOU FUCKING BITCHING LATER when you are looking at 5 years of busting rocks on the changing because you didn't have you records cross-indexed properly!

This is a perfect example of why I hate webmasters! There I said it...

I hate webmasters!

That's right I fucking hate WEBMASTERS!

In Florida this year OCCash is going to rig a contest, I?ll find the ten most annoying webmasters there is, tell them they just won some free blowjobs from some porn chicks ? when in fact it will be the FIRST ANNUAL WEBMASTER TOSS! STRAIGHT OFF THE ROOF ONTO THE GROUND UNTIL THEY DIE!

YOU PEOPLE MAKE ME SICK AND I AM EMBARRASSED TO CALL YOU MY PEERS!
GET A FUCKING CLUE, ASSHOLES!

Real intelligent reply there bud. Thanks for the name calling there guy. First off you have a very heavy interest in theme getting a junction. You have what over 7k of pages out there? Are you going to be complaint for all those pages? Second of all there site does not state clearly that it protects ALL of us. It states there members will be covered under the injunction. Now you might want contact them and tell them they need to make that point clear. Now i started peeking interest about because of this thread and i am in titled to my opinion like it or not. But if you going to fight for something fight for everyone.

Im asking questions and giving opinions . The problem with this industry as a whole its very short sighted. Thinking the tax is a bad thing is not the long term thinking it shows us as a legal business, newsflash much harder to fuck with a legal taxable business but we think short term. If are out in the media ,not just local ca media and putting a postive face on our industry you get public support ,thats what truly protects you from the Government but again thats a longterm thing and the industry just thinks in the now. I plan on joining the fsc but I dont see them as my savior. Once again you clear a million a year Jay you should be more than able to fight for yourself.If I made that type of money I wouldnt be hoping someone else was protecting me I would do it myself which leads to another problem in our industry for throwing big parties and buying hummers and rolexes this industry spends big but for important things they become very very cheap lol .

Dear Dumbass,

Why don?t you contact the Supreme Court to tell them you want to make all injunctions all encompassing and tell them to rewrite the Federal Appeals Procedure? Injunctions only cover parties that are in that suit. Like I said, they probably won?t prosecute while an injunction to a law is pending, but it is not the FSC?s fault things are this way.

Hey man, want to get a free blowjob from a porn chick this year in Florida?

Ok simple question what do i have to do to become a member of the FSC?

Tony, I am losing respect for you with every post. Sure, I'm all for a tax -- that would be fine. I don't even know why your are talking about it.

Sure, I make some money. But why should I put up everything I have to be the sole guy to fight this? I'm hardly qualified and they money that I have wouldn't even put a dent in the battle that needs to be fought. We have one organization with real resources that has a MUCH BETTER SHOT than I. JQMedia and OCCash have already contributed heavily to and are members of the FSC. They will get more if they need it.

You are the one that is being cheap and quite stupid, I might add.

Hey Tony404, want to get a free blowjob from a porn chick this year in Florida?

Send them like 50 bucks (1.5 PPS joins)...dig deep man...I think you can afford it.

Fuck you jay, I have gone all this time up until now without spitting anything on my desk or keyboard.

What the fuck do you mean by that?

As in I litterally spit mineral water out of my mouth and my nose a little bit when I read that line.

jay its not abot the money. The money is not the issue. What i am saying is the way there site is setup it sounds like injuction only covers paided members? I will most likey join either way to cover my ass all the way around. I just want to find out if it covers all webmasters or just paided members thats it. :)

Letter of the law is only members. In the vast majority of cases though DA's have not tried to enforce laws on anyone when an injunction was in place.

Yeah man, I've said that like 11 million times in this thread but nobody will listen to me.

Listen to AFM if you don't want to hear it from me guys! :)

Oh nice man, I have my moments. I love the Penn in your sig BTW...I am a huge fan of P&T.

I have not dissagreed with you jay in this thread, I just had some questions about the organization as a whole.

I've actually leaned a lot about them from this thread. I know the brains behind it (and the guy is very low key) if Jeffery Douglas. I hired him last summer becasue he was reffered to me as the best 2257 lawyer in Califorinia. I didn't even know who the FSC was at the time.

Last summer he was totally well versed on the regs and the internet. He know the shit backwards and forwards. That is a big reason why I feel confident of the organization.

Is this the thread where you get a free blowjob from a porn chick this year in Florida?

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I am joining so Im not being cheap Im not the one whose sig says I will clear 1 million dollars this year , if that true and not webmaster bullshit you have resources easy to fight. Imagine if Larry took that atitude or adam and eve if they cried like a bitch why should I spend my money. There would be no porn to complain about. Also you want to try and throw me off a building tough guy name the building I will gladly come and it will be interesting who takes the stairs back down lol.

Im tired of going back and forth Im joining FSC but I will be in compliance before June 23. Jay your passion is very honorable and hope this group is for real. Time will tell. I wish everyone a great weekend.

Ok, one question:
- which known industry attorney works for these guys? Searched around and haven't seen a name, url ,etc.

After seeing the plugs for and the articles against, my opinion is let's get together and offer a 'real' attorney that knows this biz some $$$ to represent us.

I'll gladly pay $500-$1000, whatever, if enough other players will match it to get JB or someone of stature to go into 'go after this stupid ass law' mode.

Chairman, Jeffrey J. Douglas - [email protected]

He's more low key than Greg Pitroneli or JD, but is just as knowledgeable. The FSC also consults with all of the other big 1st ammendment guys.

Sounds like a threat.

It's not just you -- most webmasters deserve this.

Ahaha, Jay what's up with the free blowjobs?

like a threat are you for fucking real you were the one who said :

In Florida this year OCCash is going to rig a contest, I?ll find the ten most annoying webmasters there is, tell them they just won some free blowjobs from some porn chicks ? when in fact it will be the FIRST ANNUAL WEBMASTER TOSS! STRAIGHT OFF THE ROOF ONTO THE GROUND UNTIL THEY DIE!

You want to kill me and you have the balls to call it a threat when i counter. Im done

Ok, now I understand. This thread took a wild turn somewhere, haha.

Oh Sly, throwing you off the roof would be too complicated, plus you might hurt people on the ground.

We wil spare you.

Yeah dude, I was totally serious about that! :1orglaugh

Calm that testoserone. You've been living in the South too long...you are starting to act like a redneck.

LOL

:1orglaugh

Your left leg probably weighs more than I do. But its all good, I don't like flying anyway.

good to know this!

You also know that the guy in question is no longer with them. Right?

Which known industry lawyers haven't worked with FSC?

Piccionelli, Jeffrey Douglas, Lawrence Walters, Paul Cambria, Louis Sirkin, Reed Lee and Robert Sarno have all agreed to donate a substantial amount of their professional time to fight the amendments.

http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=8789

If Reed is involved, JD is likely nearby, even though his name isn't mentioned.

Who else do you want?

I may be wrong but Lawrence Walters and Paul Cambria are the two attorneys filing the injunctions on the part of the FSC -- Both East Coast and West Coast.

I'm sure JD will get involved as well, he is chummy with that whole crew.

Whoops...

"Freridge said that the purpose of filing two separate lawsuits, which will be filed through Paul Cambria and Louis Sirkin's respective law firms, is because there are so many issues with the amended regulations that addressing them all as part of one single lawsuit would be impossible. " - XBiz

I'm not sure whether to take offense at that comment or not KB. I think what you're saying is you'd like to see someone YOU PERSONALLY do business with on the FSC Board. If your only concern is someone with strong knoweldge of the internet side of things -- well, I'd put my knowledge of the adult internet business up against yours any day. And yes, I'm well aware of your accomplishments, but my background is broader than most. There's more to the adult internet industry that just the people you currently do business with. That said, I'm definitely interested in helping you and your associates find representation with the FSC. You seem to feel you are not represented. I'd like to help you feel differently.

You have presented the internet community with a lot of misinformation in this thread... and I'm still trying to determine how much of that is intentional, because I know you're a smart guy. Clever too. So how about this... how about we talk next week, and you tell me what your concerns are and what I can do to help you. In the meantime I would recommend and request that you reconsider your strong anti-FSC position on the boards. That's of course your decision and you are of course absolutely entitled to your opinions. But since your opinions seem to be born of a good amount of incorrect information, I expect that the correct information will make a difference here.

I admit that when I first heard this my reaction was, "What the hell?" I called Michelle to confirm that this was the FSC position. She explained why, but stressed that the organization seriously doubted that ANYONE AT ALL would get prosecuted if an injunction were issued. She said just that it was POSSIBLE because of the way the law works and who gets covered by a challenge of this nature. Of course the possibility that she was wrong certainly entered my mind. Since talking with her I have confirmed this with several other attorneys not associated with the FSC. All have said that they seriously doubt anyone would ever get prosecuted if an injunction were granted, but admitted that it was POSSIBLE and that the information was technically accurate. Which is the same thing Michelle told me. Anyone who has any questions about this should ask their own attorney.

You are right that the law is the law. And I think you're attorney will confirm for you that it is TECHNICHALLY possible for the governmemnt to charge those people not covered by an injunction, and that those covered TECHNICALLY are those who are party to the suit. That said, I personally feel based on my discussions with the FSC and other attorneys that it would be almost unheard of if the government were to prosecute ANYBODY AT ALL once an injunction were issued.

TECHNICALLY that isn't possible. PRACTICALLY that's what will happen. You can't say that you're filing a lawsuit on behalf of "everybody" of the courts will call you on the standing issue.