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yes... another 2257 question, but a little different

05-25-2005, 08:40 PM

Yes, i know another 2257 question, but this is a little different.

I own adultxmodels.com it is NOT an agency, it is like OMP but just for Adult, it has been running for over 2 years.

Does anyone have an idea how this is going to affect my site? i have over 1,300 models who have profiles on my site, they have anywhere from 1-25 pictures of themselves posted in their profile. Am i now going to have to contact every model for ID's since they are posting pics? Do i need recods of all these pics they are posting? the site is not viewable by the public only by members.

What do you guys think? any idea on this?

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05-25-2005, 08:43 PM

Fucking finally. Someone asked about a model site.....
Yes, you will need the docs if you have the girls pics up Bill.
I suggest you contact these people asap.....

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=472361

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05-25-2005, 08:46 PM

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Fucking finally. Someone asked about a model site.....
Yes, you will need the docs if you have the girls pics up Bill.
I suggest you contact these people asap.....

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=472361

The part i am confused about is, most models post pics they either took themselves or got from a TFCD shoot. Models do not have documents for their pics, how would they produce these??

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05-25-2005, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by ContentProducer

Fucking finally. Someone asked about a model site.....
Yes, you will need the docs if you have the girls pics up Bill.
I suggest you contact these people asap.....

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=472361

One more thing, if a model has her "boyfriend" or "friend" take pics of her, or some even post web cam pics if they are new, where are they going to get documents for them??

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05-25-2005, 08:53 PM

are the images sexually explict?

if the answer is no, then no 2257 is required.
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05-25-2005, 08:55 PM

The new 2257 laws says if the models get fucked by FireOrange, then no docs are required.
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05-25-2005, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by latinasojourn

are the images sexually explict?

if the answer is no, then no 2257 is required.

That depends on what exactly they are saying is "Sexually Explict"

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05-25-2005, 08:58 PM

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That depends on what exactly they are saying is "Sexually Explict"

Boy is that a can of worms.

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05-25-2005, 08:59 PM

Originally posted by fireorange

The new 2257 laws says if the models get fucked by FireOrange, then no docs are required.

Is that because your dick is so small and cannot be seen, so it is not considered "Sexually Explicit" ?

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05-25-2005, 09:00 PM

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That depends on what exactly they are saying is "Sexually Explict"

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05-25-2005, 10:00 PM

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read 2256 if you can't figure it out . . . . no fucking, no penetration, no pink

§ 2256. Definitions for chapter

Release date: 2004-08-06

For the purposes of this chapter, the term?

(2) ?sexually explicit conduct? means actual or simulated?
(A) sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex;
(B) bestiality;
(C) masturbation;
(D) sadistic or masochistic abuse; or
(E) lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of any person;
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05-25-2005, 10:07 PM

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§ 2256. Definitions for chapter

Release date: 2004-08-06

For the purposes of this chapter, the term?

(2) ?sexually explicit conduct? means actual or simulated?
(A) sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex;
(B) bestiality;
(C) masturbation;
(D) sadistic or masochistic abuse; or
(E) lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of any person;

(B) bestiality ?
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05-25-2005, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by AdultX

Is that because your dick is so small and cannot be seen, so it is not considered "Sexually Explicit" ?

No, it's because I read the law unlike you
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05-25-2005, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by latinasojourn

are the images sexually explict?

if the answer is no, then no 2257 is required.

What's the definition of "sexually explicit" though? Isn't that a subjective thing?

Edit: I should probably read through the entire thread before replying

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05-26-2005, 04:36 AM

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05-26-2005, 04:39 AM

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05-26-2005, 05:28 AM

dont your trusting your companies future to a chatboard? you get shut down and end up in court and look at the judge and say, "gfy said I could use the pictures, so whats wrong?"

get yourself a lawyer who knows 2257 regulations or call the free speech people (sign up with them) and stop looking for answers on a chat board from armchair lawyers !!

if you refuse to get a laywer and are dumb enough to trust everyones word here and other boards for the survival of your company - then best guess is "yes" you will need every single friggin ID for all models on your site and you will in addition have to digitally tag each picture to your records along with keeping track of all websites that have any of your pictures that you either allowed or sold on them.

this is very serious shit we are talking about here - stop taking it lightly by letting others who are not trained 2257 professionals assist you

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05-26-2005, 05:31 AM

Originally posted by ContentProducer

Fucking finally. Someone asked about a model site.....
Yes, you will need the docs if you have the girls pics up Bill.
I suggest you contact these people asap.....

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=472361

Yes. You will need documentation for all of them. So hopefully your site has some kinda mass e-mail, contact.

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05-26-2005, 05:41 AM

Originally posted by TheLegacy

dont your trusting your companies future to a chatboard? you get shut down and end up in court and look at the judge and say, "gfy said I could use the pictures, so whats wrong?"

get yourself a lawyer who knows 2257 regulations or call the free speech people (sign up with them) and stop looking for answers on a chat board from armchair lawyers !!

if you refuse to get a laywer and are dumb enough to trust everyones word here and other boards for the survival of your company - then best guess is "yes" you will need every single friggin ID for all models on your site and you will in addition have to digitally tag each picture to your records along with keeping track of all websites that have any of your pictures that you either allowed or sold on them.

this is very serious shit we are talking about here - stop taking it lightly by letting others who are not trained 2257 professionals assist you

Dude, you need to unwind a bit! I am not trusting a chatboard for answers, i was looking for peopls opinion of this situation, isn't that what these boards are for??

I have a lawyer, i just wanted to see what everyone thinks about this, doesn't mean i am going to do what everyone says.

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05-26-2005, 05:50 AM

Originally posted by TheLegacy

dont your trusting your companies future to a chatboard? you get shut down and end up in court and look at the judge and say, "gfy said I could use the pictures, so whats wrong?"

get yourself a lawyer who knows 2257 regulations or call the free speech people (sign up with them) and stop looking for answers on a chat board from armchair lawyers !!

if you refuse to get a laywer and are dumb enough to trust everyones word here and other boards for the survival of your company - then best guess is "yes" you will need every single friggin ID for all models on your site and you will in addition have to digitally tag each picture to your records along with keeping track of all websites that have any of your pictures that you either allowed or sold on them.

this is very serious shit we are talking about here - stop taking it lightly by letting others who are not trained 2257 professionals assist you

Damn Robert, what got your knickers in a wad this morning?? Bill was just asking opinions from an adult webmaster forum. He never said he would "use" said opinions. Personally I think this thread beats the fuck out of yet another "Would you hit it" thread, wouldn't you agree? It's getting pretty bad when more people get flamed for biz threads than useless "check out this hottie" threads.

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05-26-2005, 05:52 AM

In my opinion you would be a service provider and therefore exempt. That doesn't mean they are exempt, just you. I would ask my lawyer about your liability (if you are considered a service provider) and if that is still exempt under the new regulations.

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05-26-2005, 06:11 AM

get rid of the sexually explicit pics and you have no problems. no need for those kind of images on a site like yours.

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05-26-2005, 06:21 AM

Originally posted by Mutt

get rid of the sexually explicit pics and you have no problems. no need for those kind of images on a site like yours.

I agree with that, i am doing that already.

But i just know how hard it would be to get ID's and release from these models, mainly because they are posting porfolio images, so they do not have releases, the photographers tell the models you can use our images for promo, or they shot them themselves.

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05-26-2005, 08:03 AM

Adultx, this will also mean that you will have to hire someone to vet all future images. You cannot let people openly post anything.

Get a lawyer - some of the images, while not containing nudity, may be of a sexual nature.

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05-26-2005, 08:35 AM

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Adultx, this will also mean that you will have to hire someone to vet all future images. You cannot let people openly post anything.

Get a lawyer - some of the images, while not containing nudity, may be of a sexual nature.

Alex

We already and have always monitored the pics they post, but as long as they are legal images we let them post it. It's their portfolio, they show what they do, but i guess now we will have to be like OMP and only allow certain photos.

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05-26-2005, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by AdultX

I agree with that, i am doing that already.

But i just know how hard it would be to get ID's and release from these models, mainly because they are posting porfolio images, so they do not have releases, the photographers tell the models you can use our images for promo, or they shot them themselves.

that's a tough call - I am not sure if sites like OMP and yours are exempt - bulletin board operators like Lensman with GFY are exempt but they have to be very careful.

It seems insane that a girl would have to keep 2257 documentation on herself
but i have a bad feeling that's exactly what they will have to do. Can you imagine the lunacy of sentencing a girl to 5 years in prison for failing to keep records on a site that is nothing but pictures of herself?

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