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  • Mutt
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Sep 2002
    • 34431

    #1

    Protecting Porn Girls

    The Attorney General in his infinite wisdom denied any concerns commenters on the new 2257 rules had about protecting the safety of girls who work in porn. Correct me if I'm wrong - NOWHERE in 2257 did I see the requirement to include a picture identification card with anything BUT a face and legal name - nothing about the location/address of the girl. So can you black out(redact) that information and just leave the photo and her name? If the answer is no - are there any national ID cards that would suffice for 2257 that would only have a girl's face and her legal name on it, nothing to trace her to a state or city?
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  • Mack
    Confirmed User
    • Aug 2003
    • 1017

    #2
    Mutt, they rejected that bit of common sense. And better yet rejected it under the guise that it put too much of a burden on the content producer because you would have to incur additional costs of having the ppw notorized and the additional time and expense it would take to fire up photoshop and black out the sensitive info. .................gimme a sec I get the exact quote for ya.

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    • Fake Nick
      So Fucking Banned
      • Jul 2004
      • 7708

      #3
      the only protection a porn girl needs is a condom

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      • alias
        aliasx
        • Apr 2001
        • 19010

        #4
        I can see it now: porn0slut.info
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        • sweetcuties
          Confirmed User
          • Feb 2002
          • 5859

          #5
          Just a matter of time before something happens to a porn girl, then common sense will take place. The same thing applies to traffic lights etc. Nothing happens till someone dies, then a light goes up

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          • Mack
            Confirmed User
            • Aug 2003
            • 1017

            #6
            Privacy

            Sixty-two commenters commented that revealing personal information
            of performers, for example, in the form of their addresses on drivers'
            licenses used as identification documents in compliance with this
            regulation, is an invasion of performers' privacy and could lead to
            identity theft or violent crimes. Forty commenters commented that
            including the names and addresses of businesses where the records at
            issue are located would similarly lead to crimes against those
            businesses. The Department declines to adopt these comments. While the
            Department is certainly concerned about possible crimes against
            performers and businesses that employ them, the necessity of
            maintaining these records to ensure that children are not exploited
            outweighs these concerns. Furthermore, specifically regarding personal
            information about performers required to be provided to primary
            producers, the Department notes that the information required is no
            different from that required by other forms of employee or business
            records, such as social security numbers and dates of birth required
            for tax reporting purposes, emergency contact numbers in case of health
            problems, or addresses used to transmit paychecks. Regarding
            information about producers, such as their physical location, that
            those producers must include in their statements, the Department notes
            that producers are already required, under the current Part 75
            regulations, to include that information. Finally, regarding personal
            information about performers that must be transmitted to secondary
            producers, the Department again notes, first, that such information is
            already required by the current Part 75 regulations, and, second, that
            none of the commenters presented any evidence that a hypothetically
            possible crime, such as the stalking of a performer, was in any way
            tied to the dissemination of the information about a performer provided
            to a producer in compliance with Part 75.
            Another commenter proposed that secondary producers be required to
            store sanitized (i.e., without personal information such as home
            address) hard or digital copies of performers' identification documents
            along with a notarized affidavit from the primary producer stating the
            location of the complete records. The Department declines to adopt this
            comment. Although the Department understands the commenter's desire to
            protect private information about performers from being too widely
            disseminated, it believes that the suggested plan would be overly
            burdensome on primary producers and add an unnecessary layer of
            complexity to the record-keeping process. Primary producers would be
            required first to sanitize the identification documents and then to
            draft, sign, and pay for a notarized affidavit. It is simpler and less
            burdensome simply to have primary producers transfer a copy of the
            records to secondary producers.




            Good thing they are looking out for ya huh???

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            • alias
              aliasx
              • Apr 2001
              • 19010

              #7
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              • Doc911
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                #8
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                • Adam-EB
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                  • Mar 2004
                  • 393

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Mack
                  Mutt, they rejected that bit of common sense. And better yet rejected it under the guise that it put too much of a burden on the content producer because you would have to incur additional costs of having the ppw notorized and the additional time and expense it would take to fire up photoshop and black out the sensitive info. .................gimme a sec I get the exact quote for ya.
                  I read that, too. But, if they rejected it under the premise that it puts an extra burden on the producers, shouldn't we be able to do it anyway if we feel it's not an extra burden?
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                  • Mutt
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Sep 2002
                    • 34431

                    #10
                    the good thing as far as porn girls go is there is no requirement to show them
                    anything but a picture ID card from a state or federal department/agency with her legal name - I see nothing that would make you non-compliant if you black out the girl's location/address. I'm still asking are there any national picture ID cards that don't have location/address on them? There must be a bunch of cards that the federal government issues for various programs and such no?
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                    • bigdog
                      Confirmed User
                      • Jul 2001
                      • 6964

                      #11
                      Blocking out a location and address would be nice, but still people would have access to their real names, and what about social security cards. They are just asking for more id theft.

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                      • BuggyG
                        Confirmed User
                        • Oct 2002
                        • 4179

                        #12
                        Originally posted by sweetcuties
                        Just a matter of time before something happens to a porn girl, then common sense will take place. The same thing applies to traffic lights etc. Nothing happens till someone dies, then a light goes up
                        it's all fun and games untiul someone loses an eye!

                        I love that quote

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                        • Mutt
                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                          • Sep 2002
                          • 34431

                          #13
                          Originally posted by bigdog
                          Blocking out a location and address would be nice, but still people would have access to their real names, and what about social security cards. They are just asking for more id theft.
                          yeah i know but a name, i.e. Karen Schmucker , without anything tying her down to a state ain't gonna be much use to anybody. Only to a weirdo, the name and date of birth would give that type an easy head start i assume. What public records are available to people?

                          I'm worried about girls like the one in my sig - only solution is affiliates get no free content/promo materials that is 2257 applicable - just very softcore nudes and NN banners, free content, galleries.
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                          • Gramma
                            Confirmed User
                            • Apr 2002
                            • 402

                            #14
                            Furthermore, specifically regarding personal
                            information about performers required to be provided to primary
                            producers, the Department notes that the information required is no
                            different from that required by other forms of employee or business
                            records, such as social security numbers and dates of birth required
                            for tax reporting purposes, emergency contact numbers in case of health
                            problems, or addresses used to transmit paychecks.


                            Actually, when you apply for a job - an employer, the accountant, and perhaps the payroll department have access to your information - not everyone that comes in to buy a slurpie. So that analogy is flawed as well.

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                            • NaughtyRob
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                              • Nov 2004
                              • 29602

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Mutt
                              the good thing as far as porn girls go is there is no requirement to show them
                              anything but a picture ID card from a state or federal department/agency with her legal name - I see nothing that would make you non-compliant if you black out the girl's location/address. I'm still asking are there any national picture ID cards that don't have location/address on them? There must be a bunch of cards that the federal government issues for various programs and such no?
                              Do passports have address etc? I dont think they do.
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                              • goBigtime
                                Confirmed User
                                • Nov 2002
                                • 7761

                                #16
                                Originally posted by alias
                                I can see it now: porn0slut.info

                                Complete with google maps satellite imagery.

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                                • LaraRoxx
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Apr 2004
                                  • 166

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Mutt
                                  The Attorney General in his infinite wisdom denied any concerns commenters on the new 2257 rules had about protecting the safety of girls who work in porn. Correct me if I'm wrong - NOWHERE in 2257 did I see the requirement to include a picture identification card with anything BUT a face and legal name - nothing about the location/address of the girl. So can you black out(redact) that information and just leave the photo and her name? If the answer is no - are there any national ID cards that would suffice for 2257 that would only have a girl's face and her legal name on it, nothing to trace her to a state or city?
                                  fbi be watching....
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                                  • LaraRoxx
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Apr 2004
                                    • 166

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by BuggyG
                                    it's all fun and games untiul someone loses an eye!

                                    I love that quote
                                    that is so true !now try to figer who is giong to loose that body part first?
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                                    • goBigtime
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Nov 2002
                                      • 7761

                                      #19
                                      The solution is here

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                                      • LaraRoxx
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Apr 2004
                                        • 166

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Mack
                                        Privacy

                                        Sixty-two commenters commented that revealing personal information
                                        of performers, for example, in the form of their addresses on drivers'
                                        licenses used as identification documents in compliance with this
                                        regulation, is an invasion of performers' privacy and could lead to
                                        identity theft or violent crimes. Forty commenters commented that
                                        including the names and addresses of businesses where the records at
                                        issue are located would similarly lead to crimes against those
                                        businesses. The Department declines to adopt these comments. While the
                                        Department is certainly concerned about possible crimes against
                                        performers and businesses that employ them, the necessity of
                                        maintaining these records to ensure that children are not exploited
                                        outweighs these concerns. Furthermore, specifically regarding personal
                                        information about performers required to be provided to primary
                                        producers, the Department notes that the information required is no
                                        different from that required by other forms of employee or business
                                        records, such as social security numbers and dates of birth required
                                        for tax reporting purposes, emergency contact numbers in case of health
                                        problems, or addresses used to transmit paychecks. Regarding
                                        information about producers, such as their physical location, that
                                        those producers must include in their statements, the Department notes
                                        that producers are already required, under the current Part 75
                                        regulations, to include that information. Finally, regarding personal
                                        information about performers that must be transmitted to secondary
                                        producers, the Department again notes, first, that such information is
                                        already required by the current Part 75 regulations, and, second, that
                                        none of the commenters presented any evidence that a hypothetically
                                        possible crime, such as the stalking of a performer, was in any way
                                        tied to the dissemination of the information about a performer provided
                                        to a producer in compliance with Part 75.
                                        Another commenter proposed that secondary producers be required to
                                        store sanitized (i.e., without personal information such as home
                                        address) hard or digital copies of performers' identification documents
                                        along with a notarized affidavit from the primary producer stating the
                                        location of the complete records. The Department declines to adopt this
                                        comment. Although the Department understands the commenter's desire to
                                        protect private information about performers from being too widely
                                        disseminated, it believes that the suggested plan would be overly
                                        burdensome on primary producers and add an unnecessary layer of
                                        complexity to the record-keeping process. Primary producers would be
                                        required first to sanitize the identification documents and then to
                                        draft, sign, and pay for a notarized affidavit. It is simpler and less
                                        burdensome simply to have primary producers transfer a copy of the
                                        records to secondary producers.




                                        Good thing they are looking out for ya huh???
                                        what about if the performer decides to reavel who she really is (her real name adresse number background)other peaple are still not alound to do it?anyways I am looking for a new lawyer accualy i need the best in the world because dugmor is a genius ...maybe smarter than me...one thing is for shure we have the same mental desease. TheArtistInternationalyKnownAsLaraRoxx/Pascale.Abitbol !.514.606.8832.
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                                        • LaraRoxx
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Apr 2004
                                          • 166

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by goBigtime
                                          The solution is here
                                          is this link ment for me or for my nemessis?anyways how may I possibly ever trust a pornoMan that doesnt tell me who he is.
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                                          • Mack
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Aug 2003
                                            • 1017

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Mutt
                                            the good thing as far as porn girls go is there is no requirement to show them
                                            anything but a picture ID card from a state or federal department/agency with her legal name - I see nothing that would make you non-compliant if you black out the girl's location/address. I'm still asking are there any national picture ID cards that don't have location/address on them? There must be a bunch of cards that the federal government issues for various programs and such no?
                                            Sixty-two commenters commented that revealing personal information
                                            of performers, for example, in the form of their addresses on drivers'
                                            licenses used as identification documents in compliance with this
                                            regulation, is an invasion of performers' privacy and could lead to
                                            identity theft or violent crimes. Forty commenters commented that
                                            including the names and addresses of businesses where the records at
                                            issue are located would similarly lead to crimes against those
                                            businesses. The Department declines to adopt these comments


                                            Mutt, I know your intent is good. I would suggest you speak with your lawyer and get his opinion. Afterall he is the one who will be protecting you if the govt gets a wild hair up their ass and decides to come to your place of biz.

                                            Honestly, personal opinions are just that. The only real opinions that come into play is that of the govt, and your legal counsel.


                                            There seem to be two schools of thought here.
                                            A. I want to comply but I'm not sure how. ( in which case your counsel can help)
                                            B. I want to find a way NOT to comply. ( in which case many folk at GFY will be happy to help you find a way to work harder to not comply than you ever would doing what is being asked of us)

                                            I agree as a content producer, you may be in a new spot of being a whole lot pickier in who you sell content to and provide these doc's. I don't like it, but if things don't change in the next few weeks, we are all going to have to change the way we view content and who and how we provide it.

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                                            • Mutt
                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                              • Sep 2002
                                              • 34431

                                              #23
                                              goBigtime,

                                              you had a chance to make a comment/suggestion to the the DOJ and i'm guessing you didn't. they don't care, go read the document and how they responded to what 'commenters' had to say. Gonzalez is very happy with what he has now, he's not looking for solutions - he believes he has the solution - and not the solution to child porn, the solution to putting a big dent in this industry.

                                              the risk still isn't all that great to girls - not much more risk of being stalked than the average girl out there. bigger worry for a girl is the kind of thing that drove Tiffany Teen into retirement.
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                                              • LaraRoxx
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Apr 2004
                                                • 166

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by ContentProducer
                                                Do passports have address etc? I dont think they do.
                                                Im sorry Canadian passports do not but if you are looking for my adress....we can arange that.
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                                                • LaraRoxx
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                                                  • Apr 2004
                                                  • 166

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Mutt
                                                  goBigtime,

                                                  you had a chance to make a comment/suggestion to the the DOJ and i'm guessing you didn't. they don't care, go read the document and how they responded to what 'commenters' had to say. Gonzalez is very happy with what he has now, he's not looking for solutions - he believes he has the solution - and not the solution to child porn, the solution to putting a big dent in this industry.

                                                  the risk still isn't all that great to girls - not much more risk of being stalked than the average girl out there. bigger worry for a girl is the kind of thing that drove Tiffany Teen into retirement.
                                                  I have been a money maker since I am & years old reference available.....TheArtistInternationalyKnownAsLaraRo xx/Pascale.Abitbol
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                                                  • LaraRoxx
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                                                    • Apr 2004
                                                    • 166

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by alias
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                                                    • LaraRoxx
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                                                      • Apr 2004
                                                      • 166

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by bigdog
                                                      Blocking out a location and address would be nice, but still people would have access to their real names, and what about social security cards. They are just asking for more id theft.
                                                      yeah but like that there will be no doubt about the person that owns the intelectual propreties... no?
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                                                      • goBigtime
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                                                        • Nov 2002
                                                        • 7761

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Mutt
                                                        goBigtime,

                                                        you had a chance to make a comment/suggestion to the the DOJ and i'm guessing you didn't. they don't care, go read the document and how they responded to what 'commenters' had to say. Gonzalez is very happy with what he has now, he's not looking for solutions - he believes he has the solution - and not the solution to child porn, the solution to putting a big dent in this industry.

                                                        the risk still isn't all that great to girls - not much more risk of being stalked than the average girl out there. bigger worry for a girl is the kind of thing that drove Tiffany Teen into retirement.
                                                        Mutt,

                                                        Hopefully the DOJ will still be open for further discussion/modifications if the FSC and others can successfully argue their side of things. It has only been a little over a day now to where that was even possible.

                                                        But yeah... I should have dedicated some time thinking about that solution during the time that they were accepting comments.


                                                        I'm not hip to what happend with Tiffany Teen.... I must have been working that week.

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                                                        • goBigtime
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Nov 2002
                                                          • 7761

                                                          #29
                                                          Btw.. Is LaraRoxx the real lararoxx? Or fake nick?

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                                                          • Trixxxia
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Aug 2004
                                                            • 5600

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by LaraRoxx
                                                            yeah but like that there will be no doubt about the person that owns the intelectual propreties... no?
                                                            In theory, if you signed your releases - you don't own the copyright - you signed it over.

                                                            To you, it's more of a risk than a benefit - you don't own the copyright yet your name & personal details (depending on the document you have on hand) is being given out with every hardcore set that is either sold or given as promotional content. There could be thousands of people with your personal info - real name, home address, phone, passport number.....

                                                            Quite frankly - as a model & at this point in time, copyright is the least of your worries.

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                                                            • College Downtime
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                                                              • May 2005
                                                              • 557

                                                              #31
                                                              You wouldnt even own it
                                                              College Downtime.com

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                                                              • Trixxxia
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Aug 2004
                                                                • 5600

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by goBigtime
                                                                Btw.. Is LaraRoxx the real lararoxx? Or fake nick?
                                                                Videotron is one of the biggest providers in Quebec - there's a good chance it's her (based on that email address)

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                                                                • NaughtyRob
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                                                                  • Nov 2004
                                                                  • 29602

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by LaraRoxx
                                                                  Im sorry Canadian passports do not but if you are looking for my adress....we can arange that.
                                                                  TheArtistInternationnalyKnownAsLaraRoxx/Pascale.Abitbol

                                                                  I already have your model release and IDs hun.
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                                                                  • NaughtyRob
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                                                                    • Nov 2004
                                                                    • 29602

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by goBigtime
                                                                    Mutt,

                                                                    I'm not hip to what happend with Tiffany Teen.... I must have been working that week.
                                                                    Somebody posted her High School pic, and I think her real name as well. She got scared and pissed and quit her very lucrative site. The biggest selling non-nude site ever probably.
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                                                                    • emmanuelle
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                                                                      • Mar 2003
                                                                      • 3662

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by ContentProducer
                                                                      Somebody posted her High School pic, and I think her real name as well. She got scared and pissed and quit her very lucrative site. The biggest selling non-nude site ever probably.

                                                                      Ironicly a non nude site would not be subject to 2257

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                                                                      • Doc911
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                                                                        • Feb 2004
                                                                        • 3695

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Thats like requiring every company in the US to post the drivers licence and ss of every employee in a public place to protect the child labor law...


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