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spanky part 2 05-23-2005 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Downtime
"Issues that matter" to one person aren't important issues to another person. I voted for Bush last November, and I voted for him because he stood for the three issues that matter most to me: foreign policy, national security, and abortion.

Omfg let me guess, it's NOT ok to kill a fetus that has no way of living outside the womb,but it's ok to send 18 year olds to die so Exxon-mobil can make record profits.Gimme a fucking break.

As for national security. Last I heard 9-11 happened on his watch.

Foreign policy. Lets see.....ummmm........ehhhhhh........I know there must be one.........let me think.......................

Rich 05-23-2005 07:51 PM

Ok, I'll bite and read this one of Pathfinder's posts since I directed a comment at him. Only fair.

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Originally Posted by theking
You owned yourself...Richy boy...and proved yet again that you are a liar. No one quoted the post.

Oh wow, look how owned I am, I lied about... wait, it was quoted by GatorB, and that's where I read it. What a shock, you're to drunk/stupid to read. Post number 33 asshole, try to keep up with the rest of the class.

It's almost as if Pathfinder tries to sound like a moron every time he posts. Thank God for the ignore list.

Rich 05-23-2005 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by spanky part 2
Omfg let me guess, it's NOT ok to kill a fetus that has no way of living outside the womb,but it's ok to send 18 year olds to die so Exxon-mobil can make record profits.Gimme a fucking break.

As for national security. Last I heard 9-11 happened on his watch.

Foreign policy. Lets see.....ummmm........ehhhhhh........I know there must be one.........let me think.......................


Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich
TV tells them to vote for him, so they do, it's as simple as that. People have to stop trying to read something more complicated into the situation.


Don't give yourself a headache and waste your time trying to talk sense into people who have signed off on it a long time ago. :2 cents:

uno 05-23-2005 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by theking
To the best of my knowledge the President has yet to come up with a plan to cover the predicted shortfall...of funds that will become critical in forty years or so.

It is my understanding that privatizing a portion of SS...actually will remove two trillion dollars from SS and does zero...nada...to resolve the short fall of available funds...that will become critical in forty years or so and in fact the two trillion dollars removed from SS will increase the short fall problem.

There are only a hand full of ways to resolve the short fall of funds that will become critical in forty years or so and to the best of my knowledge the President has not offered up a plan with any real solutions to this problem...just as the Democrats have not at this point...but I do think that most Democrats are against privatization.

I get uncomfortable when I agree with you. Please stop. :error

Snake Doctor 05-23-2005 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by theking
To the best of my knowledge the President has yet to come up with a plan to cover the predicted shortfall...of funds that will become critical in forty years or so.

It is my understanding that privatizing a portion of SS...actually will remove two trillion dollars from SS and does zero...nada...to resolve the short fall of available funds...that will become critical in forty years or so and in fact the two trillion dollars removed from SS will increase the short fall problem.

There are only a hand full of ways to resolve the short fall of funds that will become critical in forty years or so and to the best of my knowledge the President has not offered up a plan with any real solutions to this problem...just as the Democrats have not at this point...but I do think that most Democrats are against privatization.

WORD!!

If Bush can say everything is on the table except for raising taxes, why can't the democrats say everything is on the table except for private accounts?

Bush agrees to drop private accounts, or at the very least have them in addition to regular social security, and the dems will come to the table and hammer out a deal.

If he won't drop the private accounts then there's no point in proposing a plan that will be rejected by Bush and the congress he has in his back pocket.

FunForOne 05-23-2005 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich
That certainly did not help one fucking bit.

It's unfortunate that most politicians in the Democratic party are also lying corporate controlled stooges. The only advantage I see that the dems have is that they're not controlled by religious fundamentalists. Sure that's a big difference, but other than that they're the same party; pro war, pro corporate control, anti-poor, anti-immigrant, anti-environment, etc. Everything is the same but the rhetoric. IMHO Clinton was a good man with his heart in the right place, but he was just as controlled as Bush is, only not so much by the cold war hawks. He balanced the budget on the backs of poor people while giving the banks, corporations and war profiteers the same free ride they're always had.

Too bad no real opposition is given credibility, the two party system is the biggest scam in the history of "democracy". :2 cents:



You really couldn't try harder to prove that you have no understand of US politics.


On the plus side, you share political beliefs about the corporate US with some very (in)famous people.

Its not going to end well for you.

reynold 05-23-2005 08:11 PM

Feeling the downside of democracy?

Downtime 05-23-2005 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by spanky part 2
Omfg let me guess, it's NOT ok to kill a fetus that has no way of living outside the womb,but it's ok to send 18 year olds to die so Exxon-mobil can make record profits.Gimme a fucking break.

As for national security. Last I heard 9-11 happened on his watch.

Foreign policy. Lets see.....ummmm........ehhhhhh........I know there must be one.........let me think.......................

Are you Canadian? No? You belong there. Last time I checked November was 7 months ago, and you're still salty? Go wave your Hillary Clinton 2008 flag some more.

Abortion - Women don't have a choice in the matter, regardless if it's their bodies. The baby should have a chance at life, no matter if its a rape victim or her fuck-up.

Foreign Policy - You really have no aspect of what this issue entails, do you? We are the world's lone superpower, and we live in a realist world; power politics. Securing Iraq and spreading democracy will make the region and eventually the world, a much safer place. There have been countless recent studies that have proved that democracies do not fight other democracies, period.

National Security - 9-11 would've happend on anyone's watch; Gore, Nader, anyone. Our intelligence was bad, not it's fixed. That is neither party's fault. The Missile Defense program has served crow to every Democrat as well, with nearly every test being successful. It's a proven fact that a Republican President will push for more funding into national security than any democrat would even think about. George Bush has made this nation stronger and more secure.

Foreign Policy Again - The United Nations is a joke. They have zero legitimacy. Bush went there multiple times before we went in to Iraq and asked for assistance; but because France and Russia have no incentive to invading Iraq, they denied the US' request. We shouldn't even have gone to the UN in the first place; us rational "rednecks" knew what the result was going to be. Why should we place our nations national security in the hands of the French or Putin? Fuck that.

"Best friends", like in real life, drift apart in the international scheme. We weren't always supposed to be buddy buddy with the countries we were with 50 years ago. We've kept many allies, and let some go. This is life as a superpower. Pakistan has been our greatest ally arguably since Iraq began and since 9/11; much more so than France or Russia. Chirac and his people will slowly come back to us in the next few years, as will the others that opposed the war. Hell, it's already happening in many cases and on many fronts.

You need a strong leader to lead the world's superpower. Instead of waiting for the UN to get nothing done, he took it upon himself and finished the job. Where was the United Nations in Rwanda when hundreds of thousands of people were killed by machete in a matter of days? They knew about it, yet they still to this day will not publicly admit it. At least Clinton apologized for it.

Snake Doctor 05-23-2005 08:12 PM

Also, I don't know how this became about social security, but since it did let me say this.

Social Security reform is a red herring.
The shortfall in social security is nothing compared to the shortfall we face in medicare/medicaid in the future.

The price of health care is going to bankrupt us long before anything else does, and since Bush doesn't have ANY sort of plan for health care he's using social security as a "diversion" of sorts. (I'm paraphrasing Bob Brinker, who I happen to agree with on this)

pornguy 05-23-2005 08:22 PM

There are a few people on this baord that could have cracked those voting machines.

woj 05-23-2005 08:22 PM

50 Americans that disagree with Bush on "issues that matter"

FunForOne 05-23-2005 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2
Also, I don't know how this became about social security, but since it did let me say this.

Social Security reform is a red herring.
The shortfall in social security is nothing compared to the shortfall we face in medicare/medicaid in the future.

The price of health care is going to bankrupt us long before anything else does, and since Bush doesn't have ANY sort of plan for health care he's using social security as a "diversion" of sorts. (I'm paraphrasing Bob Brinker, who I happen to agree with on this)


Sorry, Your wrong

Snake Doctor 05-23-2005 08:25 PM

Downtime you're so delusional I don't even know where to begin with you.

How about foreign policy?

You don't think the reason other nations at the UN didn't want to invade Iraq is because they didn't believe our intelligence reports saying they had WMD?

When we went to the UN that was our argument, it was nothing about freedom or democracy, it was that Saddam was a credible threat to our national security because he had WMD.

We were wrong, dead wrong, and they were right.
Yet you're still sitting here backing the president and bashing the UN when it should be the other way around.

FunForOne 05-23-2005 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy
There are a few people on this baord that could have cracked those voting machines.

Nobody actually beleives that happened.


If you really believe that the election was "stolen" due to voting machine tampering then this is what you should do?


Ask yourself if you really believe that.
Ask yourself who told you that was true.
Ask yourself what else those same people have told you.


You will wake up tomorrow with better sources of information about the wordl around you.

FunForOne 05-23-2005 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2
Downtime you're so delusional I don't even know where to begin with you.

How about foreign policy?

You don't think the reason other nations at the UN didn't want to invade Iraq is because they didn't believe our intelligence reports saying they had WMD?

When we went to the UN that was our argument, it was nothing about freedom or democracy, it was that Saddam was a credible threat to our national security because he had WMD.

We were wrong, dead wrong, and they were right.
Yet you're still sitting here backing the president and bashing the UN when it should be the other way around.


well, it kind of turned out that alot of high ranking members of the UN had a conflict of interest regarding Iraq

Snake Doctor 05-23-2005 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by FunForOne
Sorry, Your wrong

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cambaby 05-23-2005 08:33 PM

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FunForOne 05-23-2005 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2



Illeterate is not a noun

Snake Doctor 05-23-2005 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by FunForOne
well, it kind of turned out that alot of high ranking members of the UN had a conflict of interest regarding Iraq

Yeah and it kind of turned out that we were dead wrong about WMD and that most of Bush's top advisors wanted to invade Iraq way before 9-11 ever happened.

Funny how you can ignore that MONUMENTAL FACT and concentrate on the French's Iraqi oil contracts.

Snake Doctor 05-23-2005 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by FunForOne
Illeterate is not a noun

Especially when you misspell it.

FunForOne 05-23-2005 08:40 PM

I'm having a political discussion with a bunch of people claim to be democrats and dont even realize they are agreeing with someone's communists beliefs and then they want to correct my grammer.

directfiesta 05-23-2005 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by FunForOne
well, it kind of turned out that alot of high ranking members of the UN had a conflict of interest regarding Iraq

name a few ...

directfiesta 05-23-2005 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by cambaby

as usual, an intelligent post .... change pic, it is boring ....

FunForOne 05-23-2005 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2
Especially when you misspell it.


Its pretty bad when you decided to correct my grammer with a premade sign, that is gramatically incorrect

FunForOne 05-23-2005 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta
name a few ...


koffi678

Mr.Fiction 05-23-2005 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by FunForOne
I'm having a political discussion with a bunch of people claim to be democrats and dont even realize they are agreeing with someone's communists beliefs and then they want to correct my grammer.

You are not having a discussion with anyone. You are copying and pasting propaganda. :1orglaugh

FunForOne 05-23-2005 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction
You are not having a discussion with anyone. You are copying and pasting propaganda. :1orglaugh

bet you didn't know you weren't a democrat



next

Mrs. Lenny2 05-23-2005 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by FunForOne
Illeterate is not a noun

il·lit·er·ate Audio pronunciation of "illiterate" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-ltr-t)
adj.

1.
1. Unable to read and write.
2. Having little or no formal education.
2.
1. Marked by inferiority to an expected standard of familiarity with language and literature.
2. Violating prescribed standards of speech or writing.
3. Ignorant of the fundamentals of a given art or branch of knowledge: musically illiterate. See Usage Note at literate.


[Middle English, from Latin illtertus : in-, not; see in-1 + ltertus, literate; see literate.]
il·liter·ate n.
il·liter·ate·ly adv.
il·liter·ate·ness n.

theking 05-23-2005 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich
Ok, I'll bite and read this one of Pathfinder's posts since I directed a comment at him. Only fair.



Oh wow, look how owned I am, I lied about... wait, it was quoted by GatorB, and that's where I read it. What a shock, you're to drunk/stupid to read. Post number 33 asshole, try to keep up with the rest of the class.

It's almost as if Pathfinder tries to sound like a moron every time he posts. Thank God for the ignore list.

Hmm...you are correct...this could be the first time that you have ever been correct...Richy boy...at the least I am writing down the date. I also will cross off of the list of lies made by you...one lie...that is only fair now isn't it...Richy boy?

Mr.Fiction 05-23-2005 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Truth Hurts
you ever notice.... YOU'RE the only one that ever mentions Rush?

Sorry if I wasn't supposed to mention the name of your master. :1orglaugh

With your GFY friends posting the word "communist" in every other post, I wouldn't be throwing stones.

When the right wing GFY sheep stop posting propaganda, I'll stop pointing it out.

:1orglaugh

Snake Doctor 05-23-2005 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by FunForOne
Its pretty bad when you decided to correct my grammer with a premade sign, that is gramatically incorrect

It's pretty bad that you speak of grammar yet misspell the words grammar and grammatically

Also, for the record, Illiterate can be used as a noun, however I don't know what an Illerate is.

FunForOne 05-23-2005 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2
It's pretty bad that you speak of grammar yet misspell the words grammar and grammatically

Also, for the record, Illiterate can be used as a noun, however I don't know what an Illerate is.


cool. I had a typing teacher in high school that was as good as correcting spelling and grammar as you are. I guess I never caught on

theking 05-23-2005 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2
Yeah and it kind of turned out that we were dead wrong about WMD and that most of Bush's top advisors wanted to invade Iraq way before 9-11 ever happened.

Funny how you can ignore that MONUMENTAL FACT and concentrate on the French's Iraqi oil contracts.

The US Congress pre-empted President Bush and his advisors and President Clinton as well...being that it was during President Clintons term in office the Congress voted (with an overwhemling majority) for a resolution advocating the overthrow of Sadam and the Baath party.

The Truth Hurts 05-23-2005 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction
Sorry if I wasn't supposed to mention the name of your master. :1orglaugh

You're all hung up on him and seem to know his every move.. unless you're just guessing... in which case you're an even more sad little monkey than I initially assumed... yet he's *my* master?

I bet you top my total rush listening time (14 minutes per week during the drive to the right-wing catholic pre-school i've forced my daughter to attend), by 12:15 on monday.

Snake Doctor 05-23-2005 09:06 PM

Funforone, you can cut and paste all the propaganda you want, I'm still right and you're still wrong.

You can twist facts to support just about any argument if you try hard enough.

In the south there are plenty of people who make strong arguments for the Confederate government based on states rights.

The KKK uses the bible to justify their hatred of black people. (And their hatred of Jews, go figure)

Any reasonable person can look at the facts can come to their own conclusion.
The fact that you're not even willing to admit that Bush was wrong for invading Iraq, the fact that he lied to us, told us the war was about WMD's and then when he couldn't find the WMD's he changed the story to "we went to war to liberate Iraq" tells me all I need to know about you.

You're still arguing about the UN not going along with Bush and how that makes them wrong. Have you been living in a vacuum?
They were right, we were wrong, end of story.

uno 05-23-2005 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Lenny2
il·lit·er·ate Audio pronunciation of "illiterate" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-ltr-t)
adj.

1.
1. Unable to read and write.
2. Having little or no formal education.
2.
1. Marked by inferiority to an expected standard of familiarity with language and literature.
2. Violating prescribed standards of speech or writing.
3. Ignorant of the fundamentals of a given art or branch of knowledge: musically illiterate. See Usage Note at literate.


[Middle English, from Latin illtertus : in-, not; see in-1 + ltertus, literate; see literate.]
il·liter·ate n.
il·liter·ate·ly adv.
il·liter·ate·ness n.

Damn you beat me to it. I'm not sure its worth the effort. :2 cents:

FunForOne 05-23-2005 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2
Funforone, you can cut and paste all the propaganda you want, I'm still right and you're still wrong.

You can twist facts to support just about any argument if you try hard enough.

In the south there are plenty of people who make strong arguments for the Confederate government based on states rights.

The KKK uses the bible to justify their hatred of black people. (And their hatred of Jews, go figure)

Any reasonable person can look at the facts can come to their own conclusion.
The fact that you're not even willing to admit that Bush was wrong for invading Iraq, the fact that he lied to us, told us the war was about WMD's and then when he couldn't find the WMD's he changed the story to "we went to war to liberate Iraq" tells me all I need to know about you.

You're still arguing about the UN not going along with Bush and how that makes them wrong. Have you been living in a vacuum?
They were right, we were wrong, end of story.


we finished that arguement before the election. I didn't realize it was still going on

Downtime 05-23-2005 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2
They were right, we were wrong, end of story.

Nope. Who won the last election? I could've sworn it was Bush, so the majority of the American public would agree with me; not you. Reality sucks, doesnt it?

clubchics 05-23-2005 09:10 PM

your countrys next .... :321GFY :1orglaugh

FunForOne 05-23-2005 09:10 PM

I think they are mad at me pasting stuff because I pasted a long statment yesterday and they jumped all over it to tell me how stupid I was.

I pasted it again with the orignal author .. Hillary Clinton


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