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Greg B · 05-23-2005, 10:11 AM

I got this in the mail today from the CBLDF ( Comic Book Legal Defense Fund ). As you read it you'll understand why I don't publish adult comics in print. People and laws in this country are fucking nuts to say the least. Soon they'll be coming for YOU.
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ITEM! CBLDF Takes Action in GA Case; Files Four Motions to Dismiss

Counsel for the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund have submitted four
motions to dismiss the charges against retailer Gordon Lee, owner of
Legends in Rome, GA. Last February, the Fund initiated Lee's
defense against charges resulting from accidentally distributing
Alternative Comics #2, a Free Comic Book Day book from 2004, to a
minor. The anthology includes the story "The Salon" by Nick
Bertozzi, which contains a segment depicting Picasso in the nude. The
Fund has already spent in excess of $20,000 defending this case.

Lee was charged with seven criminal counts for allegedly violating two
laws. He was charged with two counts of violating the felony of
Distribution of Material Depicting Nudity or Sexual Conduct (OCGA
§16-12-81), a law that bans the unsolicited delivery of any content
depicting nudity to any person in the state of Georgia and carries a
penalty of one to three years in prison and/or fines of up to $10,000.
One of the two counts is for handing the comic to the alleged victim,
and the other is for handing the comic to an alleged John or Jane Doe.
Lee is also charged with five counts of violating the misdemeanor of
Distribution of Material Harmful to Minors (OCGA §16-12-103). He
is charged with three discrete counts of violating the law for handing
a single copy of the comic book to the alleged victim. He is also
charged with two counts for allegedly giving the comics to John or
Jane Doe.

The motions, written by Alan Begner and Paul Cadle, CBLDF's
counsel on this case, were filed on May 2. The first motion seeks to
dismiss the John Doe counts. The second seeks to dismiss both felony
counts under the rule of lenity, which requires that when a defendant
is charged with a felony and a misdemeanor for the same conduct, the
lesser penalty must apply. The third motion seeks to dismiss the
felony counts on the grounds that Georgia's Distribution of
Material Depicting Nudity or Sexual Conduct is unconstitutional on its
face and as applied. The fourth motion seeks to dismiss the
misdemeanor counts of Distribution of Material Harmful to Minors on
the grounds that the law is unconstitutional on its face and as
applied to this case.

CBLDF Executive Director Charles Brownstein says, "Mr. Begner and
Mr. Cadle have presented some very persuasive legal arguments in these
motions. There's no question that Gordon Lee's First
Amendment rights are being trampled upon, and so we're pleased to
have brought such an intelligent and aggressive legal team in to
defend him. We are all very optimistic that these motions will carry
significant weight as we move through the pretrial stage of this
case."

Hearings on these motions have yet to be scheduled, but are expected
to occur in the summer.

To support the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund's defense of this
case, please visit http://www.cbldf.org for information on membership
and donations.

Meta Ridley · 05-23-2005, 10:13 AM

cliffnotes?

Sir Basil · 05-23-2005, 10:14 AM

Harkens back to the following story:

MIKE DIANA'S ZINE "BOILED ANGEL" FOUND OBSCENE IN FLORIDA

SmokeyTheBear · 05-23-2005, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Meta Ridley

cliffnotes?

Draw a nude picasso and let a teen see it , and you might end up with jail time

Meta Ridley · 05-23-2005, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

Draw a nude picasso and let a teen see it , and you might end up with jail time

Thank you.

cherrylula · 05-23-2005, 10:20 AM

damn... so what about all these violent adult video games kids are freaking out over??

I sure hope they go after them too. But I agree, people should not be distributing porn in any shape or form to minors. That includes things on the tv and in the news, but I suppose it doesn't apply to things like Nicole Kidman in a tub naked with a ten year old boy. After all, thats a movie and its art, right?

gee whiz.

Fletch XXX · 05-23-2005, 10:21 AM

zines and comics are some of the most DIY freedom of press and freedom of speech fighters.

do not applaud this.

they go after the small ones first because they are easy kills.

support freedom of speech through zines.

zines are what Ben Franklin had in mind when he started fucking press!

Zebra · 05-23-2005, 10:21 AM

http://www.cbldf.org/casefiles/planetcomics.shtml
One of the most famous comic book obsenity cases was the Planet Comics bust in Oklahoma City in 1995.
I worked for Planet Comics in the early 90's and ended up buying their stock for my own store later on.
Amazing how someone's life can be so totally fucked over something like this.
Politics man, it's all politics.

Bansheelinks · 05-23-2005, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zebra

http://www.cbldf.org/casefiles/planetcomics.shtml
One of the most famous comic book obsenity cases was the Planet Comics bust in Oklahoma City in 1995.
I worked for Planet Comics in the early 90's and ended up buying their stock for my own store later on.
Amazing how someone's life can be so totally fucked over something like this.
Politics man, it's all politics.

wow what a sick society we live in when you can be prosecuted for just that. but hey, they can go rent movies with ppl's heads being cut off.

Fletch XXX · 05-23-2005, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Bansheelinks

wow what a sick society we live in when you can be prosecuted for just that. but hey, they can go rent movies with ppl's heads being cut off.

and Charles Bronson made a lot of RAPE REVENGE movies. SHow me a video rental with DEATH WISH, 1, 2 3,4,5,6 - ALL ABOUT RAPE

america loves rape, and they will play movies like Blue Lagoon (naked children) - Pretty Baby (naked children and 12 year old prostitutes and forced sex)

but oh no, not a comic!!!!

Fletch XXX · 05-23-2005, 10:33 AM

why did he plead guilty?

"pleaded guilty to two felony charges of trafficking in obscenity for selling the Verotik comic Verotika #4 to consenting adults."

to consenting adults?

when is it a felony to sell adult things to adults?

Fletch XXX · 05-23-2005, 10:33 AM

also, i have the VEROTIK comics

Zebra · 05-23-2005, 10:59 AM

The funny thing is when I bought Planet Comics inventory I found tons of copies of the Verotik issue that they got busted for and the cops missed. Met Glenn Danzig at a comic show a couple years later and told him the story and he bought me a beer and pizza.

Elli · 05-23-2005, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

why did he plead guilty?

"pleaded guilty to two felony charges of trafficking in obscenity for selling the Verotik comic Verotika #4 to consenting adults."

to consenting adults?

when is it a felony to sell adult things to adults?

"a law that bans the unsolicited delivery of any content
depicting nudity to any person in the state of Georgia and carries a
penalty of one to three years in prison and/or fines of up to $10,000."

Fletch XXX · 05-23-2005, 11:14 AM

was it unsolicited?

College Downtime · 05-23-2005, 11:16 AM

I am confused as to why he plead guilty

Fletch XXX · 05-23-2005, 11:16 AM

this is like someone renting Charles Bronson - Death Wish and being offended by the rape it contains inside.

unsolicited?

hardly

Elli · 05-23-2005, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

was it unsolicited?

"he Fund initiated Lee's
defense against charges resulting from accidentally distributing
Alternative Comics #2, a Free Comic Book Day book from 2004, to a
minor."

Sounds like they were just handing them out blindly to people?

Fletch XXX · 05-23-2005, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elli

Sounds like they were just handing them out blindly to people?

no it doesnt.

sounds like one person. he is getting multiple charges for one offense.

having collected comics my entire life, i was buying worst comics from retailers when i was young.

this is uncalled for.

alternative comics have been around forever, no one is just distributing them to children.

meanwhile... kids are being sold alcohol in liquor stores across america and no one cares

Elli · 05-23-2005, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

no it doesnt.

sounds like one person. he is getting multiple charges for one offense.

having collected comics my entire life, i was buying worst comics from retailers when i was young.

this is uncalled for.

alternative comics have been around forever, no one is just distributing them to children.

meanwhile... kids are being sold alcohol in liquor stores across america and no one cares

Good point. It sounds like Georgia is trying to crack down on sinners or something. *sigh*

Bansheelinks · 05-23-2005, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elli

Good point. It sounds like Georgia is trying to crack down on sinners or something. *sigh*

yeah, remember, this is the state that broke into a gay guy's house, and charged him with having sodomy.

hey georgia, why don't you grow up?

Elli · 05-23-2005, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bansheelinks

yeah, remember, this is the state that broke into a gay guy's house, and charged him with having sodomy.

hey georgia, why don't you grow up?

hahahhah

What? wtf?

Fletch XXX · 05-23-2005, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elli

hahahhah

What? wtf?

the broke into a mans home and arrested him for having anal sex with his gay lover. It was big news.

Quote:

Georgia's state sodomy law was notorious because the United States Supreme Court upheld it in the destructive 1986 ruling, Bowers v. Hardwick. Michael Hardwick, who has since died, was arrested in his own bedroom, but the High Court rejected arguments that his federal right to privacy had been violated.

Hardwick is often considered the lesbian and gay civil rights movement's biggest setback because it has been widely misused to justify myriad anti-gay actions around the country, including employment discrimination and unfair custody rulings against lesbian and gay parents.

http://www.lambdalegal.org/cgi-bin/i...tml?record=310

Mr.Fiction · 05-23-2005, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Basil

Harkens back to the following story:

MIKE DIANA'S ZINE "BOILED ANGEL" FOUND OBSCENE IN FLORIDA

The Mike Diana case was unbelievable. Florida is no friend of free speech.

If you believe in free speech, consider supporting the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund - they do good work.

http://www.cbldf.org/

Greg B · 05-23-2005, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

The Mike Diana case was unbelievable. Florida is no friend of free speech.

If you believe in free speech, consider supporting the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund - they do good work.

http://www.cbldf.org/

Good for you Mr. Fiction. Glad to see you guys can pitch in on something worthwhile.

Greg B · 05-23-2005, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zebra

The funny thing is when I bought Planet Comics inventory I found tons of copies of the Verotik issue that they got busted for and the cops missed. Met Glenn Danzig at a comic show a couple years later and told him the story and he bought me a beer and pizza.

Haha! Danzig lives up the street from me. He had pals of mine do the artwork for his comics too. I haven't seen him in months though.

Elli · 05-23-2005, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

the broke into a mans home and arrested him for having anal sex with his gay lover. It was big news.

http://www.lambdalegal.org/cgi-bin/i...tml?record=310

That's beyond ridiculous. Talk about a witch hunt. *sigh*

Greg B · 05-23-2005, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zebra

http://www.cbldf.org/casefiles/planetcomics.shtml
One of the most famous comic book obsenity cases was the Planet Comics bust in Oklahoma City in 1995.
I worked for Planet Comics in the early 90's and ended up buying their stock for my own store later on.
Amazing how someone's life can be so totally fucked over something like this.
Politics man, it's all politics.

Glad someone remembers that case. Dinna know you bout out Planet Comics! What small world. I've been in comics for over 20 years. It's a fucked up business full of hotheads and bigheads. Egomaniacs too. Yet when some shit like this happens you gotta stand strong. It's totally absurd and irresponsible.

If Georgia enforced real dangerous laws like drinking and driving and fucking your relatives then it wouldn't have time for shit like this.

05-23-2005, 10:11 AM	#1
Greg B So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: EARTH (for the time being) Posts: 7,014	Obscenity Bust! This is fucking INSANE!!! I got this in the mail today from the CBLDF ( Comic Book Legal Defense Fund ). As you read it you'll understand why I don't publish adult comics in print. People and laws in this country are fucking nuts to say the least. Soon they'll be coming for YOU. ------- ITEM! CBLDF Takes Action in GA Case; Files Four Motions to Dismiss Counsel for the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund have submitted four motions to dismiss the charges against retailer Gordon Lee, owner of Legends in Rome, GA. Last February, the Fund initiated Lee's defense against charges resulting from accidentally distributing Alternative Comics #2, a Free Comic Book Day book from 2004, to a minor. The anthology includes the story "The Salon" by Nick Bertozzi, which contains a segment depicting Picasso in the nude. The Fund has already spent in excess of $20,000 defending this case. Lee was charged with seven criminal counts for allegedly violating two laws. He was charged with two counts of violating the felony of Distribution of Material Depicting Nudity or Sexual Conduct (OCGA §16-12-81), a law that bans the unsolicited delivery of any content depicting nudity to any person in the state of Georgia and carries a penalty of one to three years in prison and/or fines of up to $10,000. One of the two counts is for handing the comic to the alleged victim, and the other is for handing the comic to an alleged John or Jane Doe. Lee is also charged with five counts of violating the misdemeanor of Distribution of Material Harmful to Minors (OCGA §16-12-103). He is charged with three discrete counts of violating the law for handing a single copy of the comic book to the alleged victim. He is also charged with two counts for allegedly giving the comics to John or Jane Doe. The motions, written by Alan Begner and Paul Cadle, CBLDF's counsel on this case, were filed on May 2. The first motion seeks to dismiss the John Doe counts. The second seeks to dismiss both felony counts under the rule of lenity, which requires that when a defendant is charged with a felony and a misdemeanor for the same conduct, the lesser penalty must apply. The third motion seeks to dismiss the felony counts on the grounds that Georgia's Distribution of Material Depicting Nudity or Sexual Conduct is unconstitutional on its face and as applied. The fourth motion seeks to dismiss the misdemeanor counts of Distribution of Material Harmful to Minors on the grounds that the law is unconstitutional on its face and as applied to this case. CBLDF Executive Director Charles Brownstein says, "Mr. Begner and Mr. Cadle have presented some very persuasive legal arguments in these motions. There's no question that Gordon Lee's First Amendment rights are being trampled upon, and so we're pleased to have brought such an intelligent and aggressive legal team in to defend him. We are all very optimistic that these motions will carry significant weight as we move through the pretrial stage of this case." Hearings on these motions have yet to be scheduled, but are expected to occur in the summer. To support the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund's defense of this case, please visit http://www.cbldf.org for information on membership and donations.

05-23-2005, 10:14 AM	#3
Sir Basil Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Flukenstock Manor Posts: 106	Harkens back to the following story: MIKE DIANA'S ZINE "BOILED ANGEL" FOUND OBSCENE IN FLORIDA __________________ “Wolves which batten upon lambs, lambs consumed by wolves, the strong who immolate the weak, the weak victims of the strong: there you have Nature, there you have her intentions, there you have her scheme: a perpetual action and reaction, a host of vices, a host of virtues, in one word, a perfect equilibrium resulting from the equality of good and evil on earth.”

05-23-2005, 10:21 AM	#7
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	zines and comics are some of the most DIY freedom of press and freedom of speech fighters. do not applaud this. they go after the small ones first because they are easy kills. support freedom of speech through zines. zines are what Ben Franklin had in mind when he started fucking press! __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

05-23-2005, 10:21 AM	#8
Zebra Banned from Kimmy's couch Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Down at Fraggle Rock Posts: 5,091	http://www.cbldf.org/casefiles/planetcomics.shtml One of the most famous comic book obsenity cases was the Planet Comics bust in Oklahoma City in 1995. I worked for Planet Comics in the early 90's and ended up buying their stock for my own store later on. Amazing how someone's life can be so totally fucked over something like this. Politics man, it's all politics. __________________ Old School

05-23-2005, 10:33 AM	#11
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	why did he plead guilty? "pleaded guilty to two felony charges of trafficking in obscenity for selling the Verotik comic Verotika #4 to consenting adults." to consenting adults? when is it a felony to sell adult things to adults? __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

05-23-2005, 10:13 AM	#2
Meta Ridley Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The land of ruleface and kickass Posts: 3,433	cliffnotes? __________________ [email protected]

05-23-2005, 10:20 AM	#6
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	damn... so what about all these violent adult video games kids are freaking out over?? I sure hope they go after them too. But I agree, people should not be distributing porn in any shape or form to minors. That includes things on the tv and in the news, but I suppose it doesn't apply to things like Nicole Kidman in a tub naked with a ten year old boy. After all, thats a movie and its art, right? gee whiz.

05-23-2005, 10:33 AM	#12
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	also, i have the VEROTIK comics __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

05-23-2005, 10:59 AM	#13
Zebra Banned from Kimmy's couch Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Down at Fraggle Rock Posts: 5,091	The funny thing is when I bought Planet Comics inventory I found tons of copies of the Verotik issue that they got busted for and the cops missed. Met Glenn Danzig at a comic show a couple years later and told him the story and he bought me a beer and pizza. __________________ Old School

05-23-2005, 11:14 AM	#15
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	was it unsolicited? __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

05-23-2005, 11:16 AM	#16
College Downtime Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 557	I am confused as to why he plead guilty