I'm watching the new Star Wars on my home theatre right now BECAUSE I CAN.

[DomBuyer]

And it will probably make me see it in the theatre and buy the DVD, so there.

And if that's not enough, my buddy Cory of boing boing can put a finer point on it:

(google "star wars" and "torrent" and you're in business)

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By Cory Doctorow

Thursday, May 19, 2005
Star Wars III online, all studio countermeasures futile, Lucas still rich
There's a workprint of Star Wars Episode III on the Internet already. It's got some timecode and watermarks, but judging from the 19 second XVID sample that Waxy has posted, it seems like it's eminently watchable.

Workprints leak from studios. The studios are trying to lock down what customers do with DVDs and cable TV and PCs, but they can't even keep their own house in order. They've got laws that allow them to get your name from your ISP and to sue you into bankruptcy for file-sharing. They've got laws to criminalize the math to defeat DRM. They're after laws to let them design TVs and camcorders.

None of those laws, measures or policies will stop files like this from circulating on the Internet. Don't take my word for it, read what Microsoft's leading DRM engineers have to say about it.

But that's OK, because Star Wars III will make a metric crapload of money, no matter how many copies are downloaded from the Internet. Hell, the licensing deals alone have already recouped the cost of production, before the first ticket was sold.

The studios don't have a problem with downloading. There's plenty of downloading, but there's no problem. But even if there is a problem, none of the costly measures the studios have asked for will solve it.

Putting the shouting, petulant babies from the studios in charge of technology is plain nuts. They are too blinded by greed and hubris to be trusted. Link

[pornguy]

Your a BAD boy!

[Donny]

I saw it in the theatre. I wouldn't wanna see it any other way.

It cost 5 bucks to go at noon. I don't know about you, but the time spent to download it is worth more than that, at least mine is.

[AaronM]

I suppose you support content theft too?

[LaraRoxx]

Originally Posted by DomBuyer

And it will probably make me see it in the theatre and buy the DVD, so there.

And if that's not enough, my buddy Cory of boing boing can put a finer point on it:

(google "star wars" and "torrent" and you're in business)

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By Cory Doctorow

Thursday, May 19, 2005
Star Wars III online, all studio countermeasures futile, Lucas still rich
There's a workprint of Star Wars Episode III on the Internet already. It's got some timecode and watermarks, but judging from the 19 second XVID sample that Waxy has posted, it seems like it's eminently watchable.

Workprints leak from studios. The studios are trying to lock down what customers do with DVDs and cable TV and PCs, but they can't even keep their own house in order. They've got laws that allow them to get your name from your ISP and to sue you into bankruptcy for file-sharing. They've got laws to criminalize the math to defeat DRM. They're after laws to let them design TVs and camcorders.

None of those laws, measures or policies will stop files like this from circulating on the Internet. Don't take my word for it, read what Microsoft's leading DRM engineers have to say about it.

But that's OK, because Star Wars III will make a metric crapload of money, no matter how many copies are downloaded from the Internet. Hell, the licensing deals alone have already recouped the cost of production, before the first ticket was sold.

The studios don't have a problem with downloading. There's plenty of downloading, but there's no problem. But even if there is a problem, none of the costly measures the studios have asked for will solve it.

Putting the shouting, petulant babies from the studios in charge of technology is plain nuts. They are too blinded by greed and hubris to be trusted. Link

I CAN 2.........

[Jace]

Originally Posted by AaronM

I suppose you support content theft too?

the way he explained it, is like a tgp for movies...he downloaded it to preview it, then when he gets time he will go to the theatre and "join" in so he can watch it on the big screen, the later he will buy the movie...
my wife and I do the same thing....downloading movies is a great way to know if you are going to get ripped off at the theatre when you pay for it there....i would say 50-60% of the time we go to the theatre after we have downloaded the movie...but there are so many movies that are SO bad, i am glad we had the chance to download them first

and donavan, if you have news services like giganews, it takes less than an hour now to download a movie...i get my shit at like 600-700kb/sec...so, not much time at all

[Sly]

Originally Posted by DonovanPhillips

I saw it in the theatre. I wouldn't wanna see it any other way.

It cost 5 bucks to go at noon. I don't know about you, but the time spent to download it is worth more than that, at least mine is.

I never understood that either. People will spend hours searching the net for free music, free movies, whatever it is that they want... good grief, go spend $4 and rent the movie. Save yourself the time and energy. People don't realize the value of their own time.

[Dalai lama]

bad boys bad boys what ya gonna do...

[bawdy]

re being able to 'preview' a film before going to see it... i read the terms and conditions for entry to my local cinema (its the national chain here in australia)... you can ask for a refund or change ticket up to 30minutes after the movie has started... ive done this a couple of times when its obvious the movie sucked by that point

[Scott McD]

Anyone got a link to the proper torrent for it ??

I still can't find it...

[DomBuyer]

Originally Posted by AaronM

I suppose you support content theft too?

Lucas is plenty wealthy and a leaked copy of the movie, inferior as it is, simply increases box office and overall interest. C'mon Aaron, do the math.

[wedouglas]

i have no problem with downlaoding movies and music for free. i download mainly music, but i say big deal when i download the new u2 album. I paid like 70$ to see them live and im sure they made a hell of a lot more off my concert ticket than off that one cd. same thing goes for movies. i go to the movies all the time and i own a massive dvd collection. so i dont think it hurts that i download movies i wouldnt want to pay to see....but then again i use netflix and for 19.99 i watch atleast 50 movies a month.

just my rant on "illegal downloading"

[wedouglas]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

Anyone got a link to the proper torrent for it ??

I still can't find it...

torrentspy.com probably has like 10

[Orange Sim]

Enjoy it while you can kids, Microsoft Palladium will kill p2p, torrents, newsgroups, divx, etc.

[pubenemy]

I dont go to the theatre usually cause theres always some god damn annoying people talking or cell phone ringing etc. But I always buy movies when they come out on dvd. I havent counted but I have hundreds. D/ling a vcd/svcd copy or whatever beforehand just makes ya want the full dvd when it gets released. With a nice box and extra features etc.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by JaceXXX

the way he explained it, is like a tgp for movies...he downloaded it to preview it, then when he gets time he will go to the theatre and "join" in so he can watch it on the big screen, the later he will buy the movie...

It's not like a tgp, because the ones distributing it are not legally allowed to. The people who own the copyrights can decide entirely what can and what can't be done, and downloading is one of the things they don't allow. Since the copyrights are theirs, and nobody is forcing you to watch the movie, that's their good right. Try taking a car from a car dealership without permission, and later arguing you "just wanted to try it out".

[nico-t]

my hate for that movies grows with every thread about it...im NEVER gonna watch it

[FrankWhite]

Originally Posted by Sly

I never understood that either. People will spend hours searching the net for free music, free movies, whatever it is that they want... good grief, go spend $4 and rent the movie. Save yourself the time and energy. People don't realize the value of their own time.

what if you got 0day ftp site with all of great stuff, you wouldnt download ?

[FrankWhite]

Originally Posted by Orange Sim

Enjoy it while you can kids, Microsoft Palladium will kill p2p, torrents, newsgroups, divx, etc.

i am sorry but you are stupid, this will always exist !

[riddler]

this is what i love about adult industry, People bitch and file law suits when their content is stolen but they dont find it "wrong" to download a movie off a torrent or other sources haha so funny

Never trust torrents MPAA Spiders and serves movies through torrents, I wouldnt be suprised if you get a MPAA Law Suit letter soon

[Tuga]

Originally Posted by Sly

I never understood that either. People will spend hours searching the net for free music, free movies, whatever it is that they want... good grief, go spend $4 and rent the movie. Save yourself the time and energy. People don't realize the value of their own time.

So true....

[pubenemy]

Originally Posted by Sly

I never understood that either. People will spend hours searching the net for free music, free movies, whatever it is that they want... good grief, go spend $4 and rent the movie. Save yourself the time and energy. People don't realize the value of their own time.

Never takes me more than a few minutes to find what I want, set it up to download and then go about my business until it finishes.

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by DomBuyer

And it will probably make me see it in the theatre and buy the DVD, so there.

Torrent is EVIL! You were the chosen one! You were meant to bring balance to the web not leave it in shambles!

[mardigras]

I want to spend a day and a half downloading a movie that has nothing going for it but the special effects and lose most of that in the conversion to TV aspect and bad copying... Uh huh

[mardigras]

Originally Posted by Sly

I never understood that either. People will spend hours searching the net for free music, free movies, whatever it is that they want... good grief, go spend $4 and rent the movie. Save yourself the time and energy. People don't realize the value of their own time.

$4 at the rental store doesn't put the the movie in your collection any more than 10 bucks in the theater. That's what most downloaders are going after. If they really like a movie, they'll buy it. If not, their download didn't cost anyone anything, they would have never paid anyone to see it in the first place.

Not saying I approve of piracy, just saying that the economic impact is not the billions the entertainment industry claims.

[Greg B]

What's gonna happen when sites like Torrent d/load your entire pay site and offer it up for surfers to 'preview' before they buy?

[Orange Sim]

Originally Posted by Doomed

i am sorry but you are stupid, this will always exist !

Son, go do your homework on what TCPA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_computing

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Greg B

What's gonna happen when sites like Torrent d/load your entire pay site and offer it up for surfers to 'preview' before they buy?

good point

[Donny]

People who download music and videos without paying for them need to do some growing up.

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by tony404

good point

Thanks Tony,

Bad news is it's happening already. Can't go into detail as they surf boards like this.

Let's just say there're several ways to beat them.

[Paul Markham]

I buy adult and mainstream domains.
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[email protected]

So I suppose you will not mind if I go to your site,steal your content and design. Can I have your customers as well while I'm there?

It's theft and in an industry that lives by selling licenses I'm constantly amazed at the way some think it's cool to steal.

Jace, can I steal what you sell and decide afterwards if I will pay for it?

[woj]

Originally Posted by mardigras

I want to spend a day and a half downloading a movie that has nothing going for it but the special effects and lose most of that in the conversion to TV aspect and bad copying... Uh huh

yea, no shit, some movies are meant only to be seen in theaters or at least in HD on a tv... sure you get to see the same movie, but the experience isn't even remotely the same

[DomBuyer]

Originally Posted by charly

So I suppose you will not mind if I go to your site,steal your content and design. Can I have your customers as well while I'm there?

It's theft and in an industry that lives by selling licenses I'm constantly amazed at the way some think it's cool to steal.

Jace, can I steal what you sell and decide afterwards if I will pay for it?

Save the wind-blowing: This is a rough cut of Star Wars, complete with time codes, watermarks and absent of any effects, and won't hurt the bottom line for Lucas one bit. If anything, it's a promo for proper full screen viewing and DVD sales.

The morality part of this from GFY'ers is very touching.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by MrC

this is what i love about adult industry, People bitch and file law suits when their content is stolen but they dont find it "wrong" to download a movie off a torrent or other sources haha so funny

Never trust torrents MPAA Spiders and serves movies through torrents, I wouldnt be suprised if you get a MPAA Law Suit letter soon

i know very well known music producers that download their music for their mp3 collections off of newsgroups and soulseek...it is just commonplace now, and as much as you don't like it, it isn't going anywhere

i buy just as much as I download....except music cd's, i will NOT buy music cd's

[Jace]

Originally Posted by charly

Jace, can I steal what you sell and decide afterwards if I will pay for it?

considering that 90% of what I sell is owned by someone else, you will have to take that up with them

but I get your point, and no, it wouldn't be kosher with me....but like I said before, i know big time music people that download mp3s from file sharing programs...so, in order for me to take anyone seriously, the ones that say don't do it have to stop doing it themselves

[hova]

I saw it in the theatre, downloaded and I'll buy it

[Jace]

Originally Posted by hova

I saw it in the theatre, downloaded and I'll buy it

yeah, me too...and I can't wait to buy all six in a box set and watch them back to back....

[DomBuyer]

Originally Posted by DonovanPhillips

People who download music and videos without paying for them need to do some growing up.

I see. So you've never downloaded a single song for free off the Internet?

I don't believe you.

The reality is that I buy more music that I ever have. Every time I download an Internet radio broadcast, I find some music I want to buy. Wading through Limewire is tiring, finding track names, putting an album together etc. As someone pointed out, my time is more valuable than that, so usually I just download a few songs, check them out and one click with iTunes and get the whole album for $9.99

Most people, given the choice between paying for music and not paying for music will pay for it IF THE PRICE IS LOW ENOUGH.

Steve Jobs has sold 10 Million songs that the record companies couldn't do themselves because he priced songs low enough and made the system easy.

Most people, given the choice between stealing and paying, will pay if you make it cheap enough, but the record companies have always been built on a dying business model and weighted copyright issues so won't budge.

Fuck em, I say.

At my age, I've probably paid for many albums four and five times over in different formats, starting with cassette on up. Why the fuck should that be? Why should I pay for Miles Davis' Kind of Blue 5x in my life when the product is the same?

Because the record companies forced me to under their old model.

In 1993, I sat down with the four biggest music label presidents and told them that the Internet was going to destroy them and they'd better change the DNA of their business.

I remember to a person they listened patiently as I showed them the future and then snickered at me and walked out of the room. Every major label was represented and only one label even bothered to call me back and try to understand what we were doing.

Today, their asses are up against the wall, and music lovers are telling them how the business should be structured, not the other way around. The music and movie businesses built themselves around a pre-digital model that put gates around their products. The Internet does not like gates.

Lots of you guys here are doing the same thing, but for better or worse, your gravy train will end. Consumers will only keep paying for porn for so long and then unless it's novel or has ancillary revenue attached to it or something unique, the whole system will collapse.

The bottom line is that I'm an older guy, so I have experience paying for this stuff. There's a whole generation of youth who are trained not to pay for anything, and getting them to pay for anything is a challange.

I've said this before on this board: All you guys charging $29.95 per month instead of $29.99 per year better watch out. The future of porn is a site where you have all major porn sites represented in a menu, and consumers click on a grab bag of sites and for $9.99 a month they get EVERYTHING.

The sites that won't join in will be destroyed, and of course, just like the music business, it will be the largest companies that won't join, and they'll lose the most.

It happened to the record business and now the tv and movie business. And that, ladies and gentleman is why you won't find any content on my domains. I've seen the future baby, and it is murder.

[Rui]

Fell sorry for anybody that watches CAM's of movies...hahahaha cheap fucks

[Rui]

You know whats funny (and sad at sametime) is that somewhere else people are having a similiar discussion but regarding porn (you know what you try to sell)....

you people are amazing...short-sided to say the least

[DomBuyer]

Originally Posted by JaceXXX

i know very well known music producers that download their music for their mp3 collections off of newsgroups and soulseek...it is just commonplace now, and as much as you don't like it, it isn't going anywhere

Bingo. And there's a simple reason for that: music on the internet was created by fans, not by record companies. Music is like air, not a gated community. The record companies are not driving on this, but if they pay attention to the fans, they can find models that pay.

[Rui]

Originally Posted by DomBuyer

Bingo. And there's a simple reason for that: music on the internet was created by fans, not by record companies. Music is like air, not a gated community. The record companies are not driving on this, but if they pay attention to the fans, they can find models that pay.

oohh please...

I must say I wasn't expecting to read such bs (this whole thread) from you...

[DomBuyer]

Originally Posted by Rui

oohh please...

I must say I wasn't expecting to read such bs (this whole thread) from you...

Believe me, I ain't some airy-fairy Marxist who believes it should all be free.

What I'm saying is that the music business should not dictate how music moves between us, but should adapt to a very different post-distribution climate.

When confronted in the early 90's with the reality that their world was about to be rocked, the record labels stuffed more cocaine up their noses, threw more lavish parties, and watched as consumers revolted over buying a full CD to get three songs.

Sorry, I wish I felt bad for them, especially when lots of us were telling them the future and they fucked up. They can thank Steve Jobs for knocking some sense into them.

[VeriSexy]

Originally Posted by Sly

I never understood that either. People will spend hours searching the net for free music, free movies, whatever it is that they want... good grief, go spend $4 and rent the movie. Save yourself the time and energy. People don't realize the value of their own time.

I really only takes a few minutes to get anything you want.

[guschi2k]

that movie was crap...just like the other 2 episodes

[rounders]

yeah people are nutty

[William-Xfactor]

Originally Posted by DonovanPhillips

People who download music and videos without paying for them need to do some growing up.

Its not all bad, its exposure after all for the lesser known bands.
For example I discovered a really good band, after download a couple of tracks. I then went out and brought all there CD?S and a DVD

[Eagleman]

Not A Great Movie

[Brujah]

Originally Posted by DomBuyer

I've said this before on this board: All you guys charging $29.95 per month instead of $29.99 per year better watch out. The future of porn is a site where you have all major porn sites represented in a menu, and consumers click on a grab bag of sites and for $9.99 a month they get EVERYTHING.

The sites that won't join in will be destroyed, and of course, just like the music business, it will be the largest companies that won't join, and they'll lose the most.

I don't see it happening to that extent, but I think there's plenty of room for more efficient models that and distribution schemes.

I used to pay about $35 per month for Cable. Now it's more like $150+ per month.

[Brujah]

I wonder though, how much you and others downloading it has actually affected it's sales. The movie set records, earning $50 million it's 1st day!