well...

i started with Sitedepth...

then we moved to adult web ware....

now, in the process of converting all sites into

CARMA!

-- so far, im very impressed with the features of carma. wayyyyy more usability than i ever expected. Carma is awesome!

Thanks for the nice words!

www.prodinix.com :thumbsup

I give credit where credit is due.

just curious occash. What was 'wrong' with adultwebware?

Based on my experience you do not want to hand adultwebware your members navigation design & layout and ask them to make it work.

If this is your goal and you do not want to pay the price for MAS or Carma, then check out Xtract (http://www.ecoders.biz/). Very flexible CMS, they will convert your design into templates and provide outstanding support.

Why not? What happened to you?

In regard to Adult-

First and foremost, the *largest* difference is support. Mainly SD vs CARMA.
I could get at least 5 people to post here shooting down SD. If you have a product that runs, awesome. If it breaks, I hope you manage to get it fixed in a timely fashion.
CARMA support is great. There's a comprehensive knowledge base, and you know that sending a ticket will get you a response, usually in a few hours, and always less than 24. Work and help are always free. Mods generally are too. They're helping us migrate all our content from SD (and that's a lot), FOC.

Comparing functions:
SD Templates vs. CARMA templates
SD uses quite a restrictive templating system. You're very muchly limited to doing what SD wants to do. You can't, for example, list 3 pictures, insert a teaser shot from another site, insert a few more.
CARMA uses SMARTY is its templating system - for anyone who knows about it, that's really enough said. You can do ANYTHING with your templates.
Example? I converted 5 members areas into WAP (mobile phone compatible) areas in under 2 hours. I'd never have been able to do it in SD.

Content:
Without seriously using custom variables, it's hard to categorise your content in SD. You have to put your content into a section, which will classify it (ie, Solo girls, Masturbation) whereas in CARMA, you classify the content.
You can set - Location (as many as you need), say 'Outdoors', 'In the Park' - the type - Softcore, Straight.. The Actor 'Raven Riley' (and the system knows from previous sets that Raven Riley is a 19yo brunette with a latina type body, b cup breasts, shaved pussy and long hair).. and the categories, again as many as you want.. say.. Solo, Masutbation, Public Nudity, Orgasm - you make up as many as you need.

That done - when creating rules to update your site, you can very easily pinpoint content - so you can say (and it is literally this specific)
Release 'at least' '2' sets of 'solo or orgasm' content where the actor is 'raven riley' or has 'brown hair' every 'one week'

Set up a few rules like that, and your site updates, with variety.
IIRC, in SD, you can only set the publish date for sets, and release content (you can't specify types)

Of course, it ties in with NATS, and will also tie in SPARTA - so you can see exactly what member downloaded what, see which affiliates sent who, and also create memer's areas around these variables (ie: members older than 2 weeks get bonuses.. or whatever you want to do)

That said any done, both handle member's areas, and both do good jobs.
To reiterate, the main difference is support, I believe. I do templating / programming / support for both SD and CARMA, and I'm only going from my experiences and my clients' comments.

In regards to Non adult - Mambo / Joomla seem to be the way to go, but FUCK they're clunky in some aspects

Hope this helps someone

I have a little motto...
IF you can imagine it, CARMA can do it. And it's not a lie. You just need to be creative.

BTW - if you're looking into CARMA - mention my name Simon / Quantum-X - and will be looked after for sure.

Damn. Cannot believe I missed this post earlier :-(( Thanks Jay - appreciate that. If all else fails I will be more than happy to take care of it for you.

:thumbsup

Ahhh, its all making sense now, I guess you must be pulling in a percentage for every copy of Carma!!:winkwink: :winkwink: :winkwink:

Do you have a lease option like Carma????

LOL, I wish. I don't make anything from them, I've just worked with them getting sites going for Netpond, JaYMaN cash, and a few other guys - so they have gotten to know me :)

I love my copy of X-Tract. Would highly recommend it to anyone looking for a paysite CMS.

Currently we do not have a lease option, however, we do work with you if you need to spread out the payments over a few months. Case by case basis.

With MAS you get FREE SUPPORT (the best), FREE INSTALLATION and FREE UPGRADES.

:2 cents:

Without going into details it was just a frustrating experience. Some people seem to be satisfied with them, so maybe mine was a unique situation. I did request a refund after a month and received it. I gave the Xtract folks the same job and it was setup and customized within a week or two and I'm very happy with them.

MAS and Carma are likely the best options. However, if you want full-featured CMS for $500 which supports unlimited sites out of the box, gives you full source access and offers solid support, I believe Xtract (http://www.ecoders.biz) is your best bet.

SiteDepth looks to be very nice as well, but I did not contact them because of lack-of-support complaints. Note - to get the source for SD you have to pay $4000.

Correct. I've done a LOT of work on SD systems. Their system is good. I think that if they took on a new staff member, they'd be a very good contender in the $500 market.

cmsmatrix.org

Who is the leading contender in the $500 market then? I figured it was already SiteDepth. That would make sense since it might be difficult for a small staff to support a large # of installs.

Also forgot to mention that Xtract uses the SMARTY engine as well :thumbsup

I wasn't aware Xtract used SMARTY - there you go :)

RE: SD - they only have one support staff member, alfredo - who does great work, I think he just needs a friend :) Oh bu((aneer - if you look at SD tell omar to send me a % :P