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pr0 · 05-20-2005, 09:21 PM

So who will be sending out ID packets to webmasters in order to comply with this new bullshit....is it even possible?

It doesn't bother me, i work with all text for the most part, but in the future should i decide to do things other than seo/optin-mailers etc. i'd like to know who will be there to step it up & take care of my needs?

Anyone started to make plans on how to keep their affiliates in the U.S. as of yet?

Paul Markham · 05-20-2005, 11:27 PM

A good question.

Some licenses from content providers do not allow the sponsor to give out the 2257 documentation.

The next few months will be interesting.

Dirty Dane · 05-21-2005, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by pr0

It doesn't bother me, i work with all text for the most part..

You really think text links will keep you out of jail? That is naive.

clickhappy · 05-21-2005, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

You really think text links will keep you out of jail? That is naive.

why? youre not hosting porn images on your site, only hyperlinks.
how can anyone ask for id's is there are no images?

TheJimmy · 05-21-2005, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

You really think text links will keep you out of jail? That is naive.

ok counselor...

so sure RICO & parts of 2257 can get someone on conspiracy shit, but unless you're hosting/publishing 'sexually explicit' content how would this affect a text link?

I'd love to hear more on this...

how about text links or redirects to non-nude pages? Are those not safe in your opinion?

interesting...

Dirty Dane · 05-21-2005, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by clickhappy

why? youre not hosting porn images on your site, only hyperlinks.
how can anyone ask for id's is there are no images?

§ 2251 still apply to you, as defined in § 2256. And with even harder penalties.

Lensman · 05-21-2005, 12:41 AM

You can safely promote RealityCash, we are ready for the new regulations and have all of they records online to give to affiliates as soon as it is required.

See sig.

newbreed · 05-21-2005, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Lensman

You can safely promote RealityCash, we are ready for the new regulations and have all of they records online to give to affiliates as soon as it is required.

See sig.

Juciy is a sexy mofo.

Oh, and nice job on keeping shit straight and ready with RC!

Dirty Dane · 05-21-2005, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TheJimmy

ok counselor...

so sure RICO & parts of 2257 can get someone on conspiracy shit, but unless you're hosting/publishing 'sexually explicit' content how would this affect a text link?

I'd love to hear more on this...

how about text links or redirects to non-nude pages? Are those not safe in your opinion?

interesting...

Non-nude pages should be safe, as long they are not sexually explicit.

But what I mean, is that if you textlink to a website/FHG for commercial purposes, it makes you an advertiser, as defined in § 2256.
Further, if the sponsor don't comply with the new § 2257, you should have reason to believe that the site could be illegal. That can get you in trouble, because § 2251 then apply to you, no matter if you use text or image links.

This is common sense and not new. I think the new 2257 makes it even easier to use 2251 against you.

clickhappy · 05-21-2005, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Lensman

You can safely promote RealityCash, we are ready for the new regulations and have all of they records online to give to affiliates as soon as it is required.

See sig.

Awesome. Its nice to finally get some good news in all of this.

pr0 · 05-21-2005, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Lensman

You can safely promote RealityCash, we are ready for the new regulations and have all of they records online to give to affiliates as soon as it is required.

See sig.

Awsome!

I'll be running dating sites & pushing reality cash.

Biotchs

xxxice · 05-21-2005, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by pr0

So who will be sending out ID packets to webmasters in order to comply with this new bullshit....is it even possible?

It doesn't bother me, i work with all text for the most part, but in the future should i decide to do things other than seo/optin-mailers etc. i'd like to know who will be there to step it up & take care of my needs?

Anyone started to make plans on how to keep their affiliates in the U.S. as of yet?

i am all text too could you contact me when you have a chance

pr0 · 05-21-2005, 07:10 AM

bump........

andrej_NDC · 05-21-2005, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

You really think text links will keep you out of jail? That is naive.

the lawsuit against google would be funny

xxxice · 05-21-2005, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

You really think text links will keep you out of jail? That is naive.

Yes I do!

chadglni · 05-21-2005, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

the lawsuit against google would be funny

Heh, I'm just gonna establish "service provider" status for all my sites.

emmanuelle · 05-21-2005, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Lensman

have all of they records online to give to affiliates as soon as it is required.

See sig.

A sad day for talent indeed. When the lifeless bodies of our models start turning up, I hope that webmasters will be more sympathetic than the US gov

TheDoc · 05-21-2005, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Lensman

You can safely promote RealityCash, we are ready for the new regulations and have all of they records online to give to affiliates as soon as it is required.

See sig.

I'm not being an ass or trying to call you out, but are you saying that you are fully compliant? I was under the impression that a huge source of your content is shot outside of the United States. Does that mean you have a passport for every model?

Basic_man · 05-21-2005, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Lensman

You can safely promote RealityCash, we are ready for the new regulations and have all of they records online to give to affiliates as soon as it is required.

See sig.

Reality Cash rocks big time ! See sig

Nate-MM2 · 05-21-2005, 01:58 PM

While we won't be able to keep US webmasters fully compliant we will be able to offer them options to reduce their risk to a great degree.

Watch for a new program to hit if these 2257 regulations break.

Anybody that wants to get on the mailing list for advance info & updates can hit me up at natemm AT shaw.ca

Will keep everyone posted in good time.

Nate-MM2 · 05-21-2005, 02:09 PM

Just to add, those 'options' mentioned in the above post won't include going all softcore or switching to text links. You will be able to run your business in the same way you did before the new regulations.

Nate-MM2 · 05-21-2005, 02:12 PM

You won't have to keep any records at your place of business either, or post that info on the web.

This is a great option for affiliates that work from home and would like to keep their privacy intact.

Sorry about the multiple posts, damn 3-minute post editing rule...

uvort · 05-21-2005, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Lensman

You can safely promote RealityCash, we are ready for the new regulations and have all of they records online to give to affiliates as soon as it is required.

See sig.

Where can this be found in your affiliate area?

edit: Ahh... "records online to give to affiliates as soon as it is required."

me = blind

jayeff · 05-21-2005, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Nate-MM2

While we won't be able to keep US webmasters fully compliant...

Be honest, if you were a US webmaster facing (if I remember the proposals correctly) 5 years imprisonment for a first offense, would you be satisfied with something which only offered to "reduce the risk"?

I don't think so. I don't think you would want to rely on online records either (such as someone else proposed in this thread), at least not before seeing a positive outcome from at least one case involving such records. It may well be that some of the "creative" solutions coming from sponsors and content producers could prove acceptable, but who wants the risk they will face if they are unlucky enough to be a test case? Even a successful defendant will face serious financial costs in taking on the federal government.

I don't believe that the content producer - purely for example - who says he is going to black out the parts of documents that he doesn't consider relevant, is really facing up to the situation (assuming the new laws do largely reflect the initial proposals). I'm sure as heck not going to risk being hauled off just so that he can go on doing business almost as normal. Sure it doesn't specifically say that you cannot black out someone's name and address - again for example - but do we seriously expect investigators to be satisfied with documents showing only a stage name and birthdate? Ditto online records: if the regs say they want to be able to visit my workplace and check my records, is it really likely I can pass them on to someone a thousand miles away?

Nate-MM2 · 05-21-2005, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jayeff

Be honest, if you were a US webmaster facing (if I remember the proposals correctly) 5 years imprisonment for a first offense, would you be satisfied with something which only offered to "reduce the risk"?

I understand your concerns.

The practical matter here is that even if some sponsors are willing to provide all required documentation there are some affiliates that don't want to be responsible for the record-keeping requirements and do not want the DOJ given full permission to enter their homes to check on records on any given day out of the year.

We are trying to offer something to these webmasters while leaving them at as close to no risk as we possibly can.

We will not be doing ANY reporting to the US government agencies and will not be providing model documentation for inspection to any US government agencies either.

05-20-2005, 09:21 PM	#1
pr0 rockin tha trailerpark Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: ~Coastal~ Posts: 23,088	Which sponsors will be offering full ID info for webmasters? So who will be sending out ID packets to webmasters in order to comply with this new bullshit....is it even possible? It doesn't bother me, i work with all text for the most part, but in the future should i decide to do things other than seo/optin-mailers etc. i'd like to know who will be there to step it up & take care of my needs? Anyone started to make plans on how to keep their affiliates in the U.S. as of yet? __________________ __________ Loadedca$h - get sum! - Revengebucks - mmm rebills! - webair (gotz sErVrz)

05-20-2005, 11:27 PM	#2
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	A good question. Some licenses from content providers do not allow the sponsor to give out the 2257 documentation. The next few months will be interesting. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

05-21-2005, 12:41 AM	#7
Lensman GFY Chaperone Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Adult.com Posts: 9,846	You can safely promote RealityCash, we are ready for the new regulations and have all of they records online to give to affiliates as soon as it is required. See sig.

05-21-2005, 07:10 AM	#13
pr0 rockin tha trailerpark Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: ~Coastal~ Posts: 23,088	bump........

05-21-2005, 01:58 PM	#20
Nate-MM2 So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vancouver, CANADA Posts: 263	While we won't be able to keep US webmasters fully compliant we will be able to offer them options to reduce their risk to a great degree. Watch for a new program to hit if these 2257 regulations break. Anybody that wants to get on the mailing list for advance info & updates can hit me up at natemm AT shaw.ca Will keep everyone posted in good time.

05-21-2005, 02:09 PM	#21
Nate-MM2 So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vancouver, CANADA Posts: 263	Just to add, those 'options' mentioned in the above post won't include going all softcore or switching to text links. You will be able to run your business in the same way you did before the new regulations.

05-21-2005, 02:12 PM	#22
Nate-MM2 So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vancouver, CANADA Posts: 263	You won't have to keep any records at your place of business either, or post that info on the web. This is a great option for affiliates that work from home and would like to keep their privacy intact. Sorry about the multiple posts, damn 3-minute post editing rule...