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I intend to find the 2257 pages of each of my sponsors, and put a link to THOSE pages up on my galleries. If an inspector wants that information he/she can click on that link, go to the page with the information on it, and be happy about it.
That's what I intend to do. End of story. They then have access to the 2257 records right from the content owner, there should be no complaining about it. |
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It's still quite profitable and free sites go on making sale long after TGP galleries have faded into oblivion. If you work them right you can even get better SE placements than some of the paysites that you're promoting. |
Since this thread is also a lot about affiliates & sponsors and their future together. Why is it so hard to comprehend that the affiliate model could very well perish?
I know if someone is just an affiliate they may wish to fight it tooth and nail with round about arguments, or saying why has it not already been done. Though I have felt that the open affiliate model was getting closer to its death bed even before the proposed regulations where published. Assuming the proposed ones go through it just would give another reason to add to the pile that many have been talking about for a few years. I know several programs that have been doing more and more stuff in house or with outsourced workers. I have seen numerous reports and heard many people speaking about the costs of affiliates besides their payouts and the percentage of fraud that is generated by them. We all have also witnessed the wide spread use and acceptance of sponsor hosted galleries, which in effect began to cut out one of the middle men already. This does not even include various programs that have switched to either invite only, closed affiliate programs, or no affiliates at all. So again I ask the question, why does this seem so alien to some? |
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If affiliate programs start to stop taking on new affiliates the market will slowly swing the power over to affiliate program owners and they will begin to realize that the market no longer requires the handholding of FHG's, custom tours & gigs of free content and custom advertising options. If the remaining affiliate programs cut down on some of the extras that were needed before to stay competitive with the (now closed) other affiliate programs they can increase their profit margins and market share at the same time. That's too big of a bone for this dog to give up, and I know there are hundreds of others thinking along the same lines that I am. The affiliate model will not die. It will just evolve. |
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Fact is, me as an affiliate should not even have to do that for them, but the fact is obvious that either they (the US government) aren't smart enough to figure out who or what program owns what materials, or they are just trying to give guys like me one more little pain in the ass. I suspect the former, but I could be wrong. So I suppose I will have to help them. If I'm using pics from "Proggie A Cash", then I will place a link to the 2257 information page for "Proggie A Cash" and that will be that. I will not be bothering my sponsors to provide me all their records. You guys of course can do what you want. |
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Is Kazaa still online? Is bit torrent doing just fine? Is Gnutzilla doing OK after 7 years? And do people STILL buy music and DVD's?
I really doubt the government is going to charge 10,000 affiliates... I just so highly doubt that. I think 2257 was done in order to get the producers in the groove of obtaining PROPER identification. I highly doubt it will be used to persecute thousands of people. The backlash would be to great for that to happen. |
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For every 1 affiliate they charge probably another 100 will leave the business or not get started in the business because of it. For affiliates without a protest agenda everybody has a point where the reward doesn't outweigh the risk any longer. |
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I love how people say "This is what the law says, but I don't like that, so this is what I'm going to do" I hope you guys that think like this have fun filming your new gay reality site from prison :1orglaugh |
As always in this industry, change breeds opportunity.
If the shit hits the fan I plan to be giving US-based affiliates alternative options to a mountain of documentation. |
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As for a backlash, a backlash from whom? Do you really think that anyone that does not make money in porn gives a rats ass about what happens to us aside from a few organizations who may question the constitutionality of it? The truth is the Government and specially the DOJ hates to loose. They relize it is near impossible to get an obscenity case to be found guilty, so like they always do when the front door closes, they kick in the back door. |
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Lenny just loves to cock off at me whenever he gets the opportunity for some odd reason. I must smell good today. |
So why don't they force compliance? Why don't they enforce the state laws of New York against anal sex? Because we are currently fighting a war on terrorism and the war on drugs is keeping cops (good people) in nice homes and fat with incomes you can support a family on.
When you bust a drug lord in Miami, guess what? The gov't gets to auction off his shit. We are talking millions of dollars, plus the millions in cash that is confiscated. In effect, the drug lord PAYS for his own procescution. All of that money pays for the cops that busted him, the DA that prosecuted him, the jury that convicted him and the judge that presided over it all. When you bust a band of college kids who run a piracy ring you get SQUAT... You get some fines levied that the kids will not pay off for 10 years and the total in fines might be only $250,000. Whoopie... Now you know why the recording industry goes after them in civil court. No one will waste money prosecuting them since drug cases pay to prosecute themselves. Hallelujah to the fucking war on drugs! What do you get for prosecuting a porn magnate? Nothing... a lot of grief. Possibly not elected next year or appointed to your post because you put porn on the front page of news papers and a lot of conservetives weigh that against the single porn guy that got taken down and the grand scheme of things. More porn was probably sold because of the increased interest the case generated. And that is why I think that worrying about spitting on the sidewalk is a lot of worrying and no substance. Do I think in the back of my mind, "Shit! I could be the 1% that they fuck with!" Yes I do, but I have never won a lottery so I am sure I am just not that lucky. |
What cracks me up is how many threads there are on "would you hit it" and it get more views than business related threads.
Sorry, off topic.... back to work... |
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They can lean on Visa, who lean on the processors, who lean on the... and on it goes.. |
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What country do you live in? |
2257 - 101
I live in America where policy is dictated by what is on the frong page news, or what you want to keep OFF of the front page news...
Mon - Wed | 1pm - 4pm | 2257 Compliance 101 | Staff - TBA | Building 1 | Room 7 |
I really think I could pull off a digital solution. Gonna bat it around in my head over the weekend.
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Well, the 2257 data just has to be available right? So lets say two detectives come to my house and ask me for that data... Then I contact you and say, Yo! I need that data... Then you create me an account so I can go online and print that data to my printer. Then I give that data to the detectives and they can lick my sweaty balls...
Who am I kidding.. I use air conditioning, my balls are cold as ice. |
Then again, you would still run into the whole thing about stalkers... I could pretend the detectives came looking for the info... I would imagine they would also have some kinda important papers with the papers they are looking for stated on them... Then I could fax that to you... but then you would still not know if I am just a stalker...
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Why couldn't the sponsors give affiliates the 2257 documents in digital format but encrypted and when the government asks the affiliate for the docs, the affiliate calls the sponsor's special hotline and request it and they give the affiliate the key to de-crypt the data into readable text?
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Most of the US based Programs I know have been prepared for these new Regs for a year now so it?s no surprise we will evolve and comply if you don?t want to get in trouble with the law. It?s a pain in the ass but it not impossible to comply.
They have put so much money into the war on drugs has it even effected it. Not that I can tell, I still see kids buying whatever illegal drug they want and drugs are illegal Pornography isn't at least not since the last time I checked. Follow the rules the government just wants to organize and clean it up. Which I think we should have done in a long time. This way the conversions will get better and so will the retention when people can't view obscene content for free. I?m not going to go into anymore detail just study and follow the new rules very simple We will evolve and prosper |
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Also, I never said you were providing legal advice, what I said was if that's your plan be glad you're in Canada, because people in the U.S. who think that if the law says A, but all they really want is B, so I'll do B, will end up filming gay reality sites in prison. It's like saying "The speed limit is 65, but they really just want people to drive safely and not have an accident, so I'll drive 80 but be extra careful" |
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I know video can be encrypted with drm...any programs that do this with .jpg's? My 2 cents. This whole law will blow over. The government hasn't set a budget for prosecution...they don't have any special agency in place to go after anyone. Think of the billions of dollars spent with tons of govt. agencies formed 20 years for the "WAR ON DRUGS'. I don't know about you, but there's more drugs of every type available on any corner now, then there was before the govt's billion dollar a year war. |
Sponsor content (not throw away stuff but actual "from the site" stuff) is the best way to sell the product, increases the conversions, and lowers the chance of a chargeback because the content shown in the sale (free site) is the same as what is on the site.
Under what was originally proposed, it would be required to hand full 2257 documents to every affiliate wanting to use the content. That is overwhelming amounts of paper out there (imaging a program with 1000 affiliates used 30 images each per day... )that would be 60,000 pieces of paper having to be mailed each day... and the end of 1 year that is 22 million pieces of new paperwork not currently required by law. Multiple that over the hundreds of bigger program out there with content, multiply by the number of sites each one has, and you are looking at more than a billion new pieces of paper - and not a single bit of it will stop child porn. The scale of the government's idea is a little overwhelming. Alex |
Some of you are missing the fine-points of the new proposed regulations. You must have your 2257 documents ready to show the inspectors when they arrive at your front door. The documents MUST be in alphabetical order. You must also have your documents CROSS-INDEXED by the stage names used by the performers AND by the locations of where these performers can be found (video name, URL, etc.) If one document is out of order (eg: not alphabetized) then that is a violation. The inspectors may visit you up to three times a year.
The obvious purpose of making this so difficult is to drive the porn industry out of business. (And to the poster above who said that there is no funding or organization to do this - the Justice Department has set-up a new Obscenity Division to handle this.) |
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Isn't it your wifey's birthday? Shouldn't you two be out sharing a happy meal or something? |
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Do not compare this to the war on drugs, anyone who does any research will quickly understand the government and a wide assortment of agencies get way to much money with it ongoing. |
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Answer: Most of them. Most of the people in prison today are there on drug charges. Sure you can still get drugs on any street corner, but do you want to risk prison time for the cash you'll make selling them? |
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It's up to the affiliate to track which URL's the images are published to. |
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I'd certainly love to hear Lenny's solution, but I doubt he has one. Mouthy obnoxious twits never do. Like I posted earlier, I intend to lead anyone who cares to look on a path linking them directly back to the sponsor/program/owner's own 2257 information page. I see no other alternative, except to shut all your sites down of course. Unless you change out your sites to send hits to pay sites and FHG's via text links only, Yes, go with the clean look. To me it is the most ridiculous thing to suggest that someone merely promoting (as in linking to) an adult pay site needs to be responsible for keeping records on all of IT'S content. A link to those records should suffice for affiliates. Hopefully there will be some upcoming court battles over this and maybe, just maybe we will see some changings such as I'm suggesting here. It would certainly be a hell of a lot simpler and make more sense to have affilliates linking to the sponsor's 2257 information than all this garbage about distributing millions of documents. I don't see why anyone calling themself a webmaster would want to argue with that. |
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If you really think that, you need to talk to your lawyer right now. There is no free speech lawyer in the United States who is worth talking to that will tell you that the government is just doing this to help "organize" the adult industry. The right wing claim this is a change to help fight child porn, but it is an attempt to stifle legal free speech and will do nothing to fight child porn. This is an attack on free speech. "Obscene" content is another issue altogether. |
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