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2257 - 101
I live in America where policy is dictated by what is on the frong page news, or what you want to keep OFF of the front page news...
Mon - Wed | 1pm - 4pm | 2257 Compliance 101 | Staff - TBA | Building 1 | Room 7 |
I really think I could pull off a digital solution. Gonna bat it around in my head over the weekend.
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Well, the 2257 data just has to be available right? So lets say two detectives come to my house and ask me for that data... Then I contact you and say, Yo! I need that data... Then you create me an account so I can go online and print that data to my printer. Then I give that data to the detectives and they can lick my sweaty balls...
Who am I kidding.. I use air conditioning, my balls are cold as ice. |
Then again, you would still run into the whole thing about stalkers... I could pretend the detectives came looking for the info... I would imagine they would also have some kinda important papers with the papers they are looking for stated on them... Then I could fax that to you... but then you would still not know if I am just a stalker...
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Why couldn't the sponsors give affiliates the 2257 documents in digital format but encrypted and when the government asks the affiliate for the docs, the affiliate calls the sponsor's special hotline and request it and they give the affiliate the key to de-crypt the data into readable text?
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Most of the US based Programs I know have been prepared for these new Regs for a year now so it?s no surprise we will evolve and comply if you don?t want to get in trouble with the law. It?s a pain in the ass but it not impossible to comply.
They have put so much money into the war on drugs has it even effected it. Not that I can tell, I still see kids buying whatever illegal drug they want and drugs are illegal Pornography isn't at least not since the last time I checked. Follow the rules the government just wants to organize and clean it up. Which I think we should have done in a long time. This way the conversions will get better and so will the retention when people can't view obscene content for free. I?m not going to go into anymore detail just study and follow the new rules very simple We will evolve and prosper |
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Also, I never said you were providing legal advice, what I said was if that's your plan be glad you're in Canada, because people in the U.S. who think that if the law says A, but all they really want is B, so I'll do B, will end up filming gay reality sites in prison. It's like saying "The speed limit is 65, but they really just want people to drive safely and not have an accident, so I'll drive 80 but be extra careful" |
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I know video can be encrypted with drm...any programs that do this with .jpg's? My 2 cents. This whole law will blow over. The government hasn't set a budget for prosecution...they don't have any special agency in place to go after anyone. Think of the billions of dollars spent with tons of govt. agencies formed 20 years for the "WAR ON DRUGS'. I don't know about you, but there's more drugs of every type available on any corner now, then there was before the govt's billion dollar a year war. |
Sponsor content (not throw away stuff but actual "from the site" stuff) is the best way to sell the product, increases the conversions, and lowers the chance of a chargeback because the content shown in the sale (free site) is the same as what is on the site.
Under what was originally proposed, it would be required to hand full 2257 documents to every affiliate wanting to use the content. That is overwhelming amounts of paper out there (imaging a program with 1000 affiliates used 30 images each per day... )that would be 60,000 pieces of paper having to be mailed each day... and the end of 1 year that is 22 million pieces of new paperwork not currently required by law. Multiple that over the hundreds of bigger program out there with content, multiply by the number of sites each one has, and you are looking at more than a billion new pieces of paper - and not a single bit of it will stop child porn. The scale of the government's idea is a little overwhelming. Alex |
Some of you are missing the fine-points of the new proposed regulations. You must have your 2257 documents ready to show the inspectors when they arrive at your front door. The documents MUST be in alphabetical order. You must also have your documents CROSS-INDEXED by the stage names used by the performers AND by the locations of where these performers can be found (video name, URL, etc.) If one document is out of order (eg: not alphabetized) then that is a violation. The inspectors may visit you up to three times a year.
The obvious purpose of making this so difficult is to drive the porn industry out of business. (And to the poster above who said that there is no funding or organization to do this - the Justice Department has set-up a new Obscenity Division to handle this.) |
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Isn't it your wifey's birthday? Shouldn't you two be out sharing a happy meal or something? |
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Do not compare this to the war on drugs, anyone who does any research will quickly understand the government and a wide assortment of agencies get way to much money with it ongoing. |
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Answer: Most of them. Most of the people in prison today are there on drug charges. Sure you can still get drugs on any street corner, but do you want to risk prison time for the cash you'll make selling them? |
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It's up to the affiliate to track which URL's the images are published to. |
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I'd certainly love to hear Lenny's solution, but I doubt he has one. Mouthy obnoxious twits never do. Like I posted earlier, I intend to lead anyone who cares to look on a path linking them directly back to the sponsor/program/owner's own 2257 information page. I see no other alternative, except to shut all your sites down of course. Unless you change out your sites to send hits to pay sites and FHG's via text links only, Yes, go with the clean look. To me it is the most ridiculous thing to suggest that someone merely promoting (as in linking to) an adult pay site needs to be responsible for keeping records on all of IT'S content. A link to those records should suffice for affiliates. Hopefully there will be some upcoming court battles over this and maybe, just maybe we will see some changings such as I'm suggesting here. It would certainly be a hell of a lot simpler and make more sense to have affilliates linking to the sponsor's 2257 information than all this garbage about distributing millions of documents. I don't see why anyone calling themself a webmaster would want to argue with that. |
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If you really think that, you need to talk to your lawyer right now. There is no free speech lawyer in the United States who is worth talking to that will tell you that the government is just doing this to help "organize" the adult industry. The right wing claim this is a change to help fight child porn, but it is an attempt to stifle legal free speech and will do nothing to fight child porn. This is an attack on free speech. "Obscene" content is another issue altogether. |
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Trust me I know its a bitch but it can be done. the strong will survive |
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It's hard to think that just because Gonzales signed something that all of a sudden everyone with sexually explicit content should expect a knock on the door.... His signature didn't automatically increase the number of people looking at sites...
They may approach people that have content that looks questionable enough for them to feel a need for a second look, but I can't see it going farther than that... Not enough folks on staff ... |
It is odd that my solution is shrug off as the sponsors are too flaky. I think they view us the affiliate as too flaky to hold these documents. I suppose we could get a digital solution like stats remote where we input some fields and it generates the files needed based on the sponsors info. But the affiliates and the sponsors are going to need to work together on it to work. Very few big sponsors have closed that i know of. They are the more logical choice of a depository then we are. As how many affiliates have closed up this year?
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Most people miss this simple fact: The Right in this country is out to shut down porn. After much thought, this is the mechanism they decided on to do it. Anyone who thinks it is anything else is delusional.
They hired 25 lawyers (prosecutors) who work on this full time. They didn't have that a year ago. Those lawyers are going to be doing something, that's for sure. ok, so no more cops looking at the sites, but so what? Before, the cops had no prosecutors who wanted the case. Now they do. Bingo. Even if they can't take on everyone, all they have to do it take on 1% and the rest will shit their pants. That's their plan. It won't work. But it will change things. A lot. |
Another huge thing to consider is if they start taking obscenity pleas in exchange for lighter sentencing for 2257 violations they have access to a huge stream of cash since you can tie in obscenity charges as RICO violations and they can start siezing assets.
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These people hate free speech. They want to be able to control everything that every American does or says, even in your bedroom. This is an attack on free speech. |
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So if sponsors don't want to have to give out the 2257 info then they'll have to stop giving out free content. Of course then that my mean losing affiliates to sponsors that will. |
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stop crying, you make good money from it. I applaude the regulations, there is to much shit flooting around. |
To the ones that say that you don't need sponsor content to promote a paysite... well what about single girl sites? how are you going to promote them without the girl?
About this regulations, well for what i have read, they are not in the street yet so probably it will suffer tons of changes until it's finally released. We have been talking about this issue for months and from time to time something new is said and everybody start to talk like that they know it all but we don't know shit yet about how this will affect our bussines, we can guess how it will be, we can ask lawyers that dont' know shit either but at the end by now we can only guess. The first post has been really informative but most of the discussion is based only on guesses, the sky is not falling yet. |
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you my sir are a funny guy. |
I make my bucks thru textlinks and non-explicit banners. Looks like nothing will change for me and I can keep my cheap US server :-) Lucky bastard I am.
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Changing times ahead no doubt about that...
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This is a really good post.
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If webhosts are exempt
It reads as if webhosts will be exempt from 2257, in regard to maintaining a copy of the model's docs. Couldn't review sites, directory guides with galleries and tpgs, simply set up as a webhost and give their sponsors a free website? Could this also be an avenue to promote affliate programs that don't have free hosted galleries without everyone having to send a copy of their docs?
It is just a raw idea. What do you think? Cheyenne |
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and US residents werent affected my attitude wouldnt be 'stop crying'. Jesus Crist! You applaud the regulations because there is too much shit floating (oops you did type 'flooting' you Canadians and your 'o's) - (1.)child pornography is already illegal - the people making a killing from cp are not going to stop making it because of some 2257 amendments (2.) as far as obscenity goes the people doing fisting, golden showers, California mudslides, and beastiality aren't to stop making it because of 2257 amendments. So please tell me how any of the changes do anything about 'too much shit floating around'??? How about you take your garbage sites offline so then there will be less shit floating around. |
"Essentially we start doing a background check on them. Why? Because if his answer to number 3 above is NO for what ever reason, then I essentially have to send him copies of all the 2257 info for the site he is pushing. God forbid he wants to promote 10 sites of ours without free hosting, then I am sending him literally over 7,000 pages of information. And that is one affiliate. So 1,000 affiliates in a program (we have more than that, but keeping the numbers simple, imagine what nasty dollars has?lol) at that point costs me 7,000,000 pieces of paper. That paper needs to be printed on, and someone needs to be paid to do it. I?m not even going to guess what that costs, but essentially, we are no longer a porn company, WE ARE A PUBLISHING company."
Pretty sure you're wrong there. It's the producer / owned of the content that is required to hold onto the 2257, and affiliates would merely be 'licensed' for free to use your content but would have to link to a page that lists your main 2257 holder's name/address/contact information, etc... Tell me if I'm wrong and why? Matt |
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It's really big print ... Matt |
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What's your solution? You conveniently left that part of your post out. |
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As someone else noted, the only way to get affiliates who want to use more than heavily censored content off the hook, is if the sponsor hosts the content and the affiliate is therefore not the page/site operator. |
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Matt |
Looks like quite a few people have recently slept at a Holiday Inn.
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1. Anyone who displays sexually explicit material will be required to keep identification/age records that formerly only the primary producers had to keep. In other words, linking to records held by someone else will no longer be adequate. 2. There are new and more complex rules about what records must be kept and how they should be indexed. 3. The records have to available on demand (at least) during normal business hours. |
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